Manager/Coach Des Buckingham

Leysboy said:
Never said I was the stand-alone did I?

I was public enemy number 1 The summer before that horrific season, and I was the stand-alone at that point. Everyone went against me, but sadly I was right, and only raising alarm bells.

What sort of manager would try to sign players on face time. That’s what KR was doing! Aswell as dicking the female team captain.
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No you weren't the only one. Stop rewriting history.
 
Leysboy said:
There performances have been sub standard since the arrival of Des. Downed tools is what I call it. Coincidence - No!

They wanted someone else, and they aren’t happy. That’s how it is I’m afraid. Sad yes, but also reality.
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RR said he wanted Luke Williams, but I"m not sure he was ever really a contender, and I suspect RR knew that.
 
Not exactly going to plan. At least we can look forward to offloading (I won't name them). My worry is that he doesnt have a game plan, let alone one that matches his vision. So, how can you start to recruit a team into that mess.
 
turning round a club which was so thoroughly badly managed by Robinson over years -as @Leysboy has said- and then abandoned by Manning after giving It a paint job and taking the first better offer is going to take years not weeks.

The fact that some fans ( and perhaps some players too ) are so keen to convince us that Buckingham isn’t right for the job is evidence of that in my opinion.
 
Leysboy said:
There performances have been sub standard since the arrival of Des. Downed tools is what I call it. Coincidence - No!

They wanted someone else, and they aren’t happy. That’s how it is I’m afraid. Sad yes, but also reality.
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Which players that have downed tools?

Games against Charlton, Carlisle, Blackpool, Reading, Wycombe, Wigan and even last night doesn’t look anywhere close to a team of players who have downed tools.
There have been individual mistakes that have led to lost points such as last night but that is completely different.

Back when the club were looking for a new manager of course some players will want to see a certain manager come in but it doesn’t mean they instantly dislike the new manager. They aren’t 7 years old 😂
 
chromeyellow said:
We weren't univentive and without clear direction. We pretty much played them off the park yesterday I don't think Cummings had a save to make. We scored two good goals and created several other chances, and didn't finish them.

We offered them two chances and they took both of them. We were missing our captain and our most influential player was taken off injured.

Of the team that stayed on the pitch at the end the players who have made the most appearances this season are Ciaron Brown and Tyler Goodrham. Than Long and Rodrigues. the majority of the team have only played a handful of games.
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I’m very much not a vehement Des Outer, but I’m not sure I really agree with the first paragraph here. My interpretation of the game was of an opponent who was offering absolutely nothing, and us really toiling to create much against them. Did we create any real clear cut chances? Goodwin’s goal was superbly well-taken, but I wouldn’t say it was much more than a half chance; if anything, I’d say the best chance that we actually created with the ball was the Goodrham ball in that Leigh and Goodwin just failed to get on the end of.

I think this is my thing of why last night was so frustrating, and kind of a microcosm of the season as a whole. Sure, Buckingham isn’t responsible and can’t account for individual errors. But even if that second goal of theirs hadn’t gone in, I’d still have left thinking, how have we not created more there? The lack of attacking spark (as I saw it) I think does have to be attributed to the manager.

For what it’s worth, I don’t think this is just a Des problem. I think the team has quietly been like this all season. Last night really reminded me of the Port Vale game back in September - really struggling at home against a very poor side to create much at all with the ball, and ultimately being punished (in wildly frustrating fashion). I think earlier in the season we were just getting the rub of the green a bit more, and our XG numbers from the Manning days apparently support this.
 
ttg17 said:
I’m very much not a vehement Des Outer, but I’m not sure I really agree with the first paragraph here. My interpretation of the game was of an opponent who was offering absolutely nothing, and us really toiling to create much against them. Did we create any real clear cut chances? Goodwin’s goal was superbly well-taken, but I wouldn’t say it was much more than a half chance; if anything, I’d say the best chance that we actually created with the ball was the Goodrham ball in that Leigh and Goodwin just failed to get on the end of.

I think this is my thing of why last night was so frustrating, and kind of a microcosm of the season as a whole. Sure, Buckingham isn’t responsible and can’t account for individual errors. But even if that second goal of theirs hadn’t gone in, I’d still have left thinking, how have we not created more there? The lack of attacking spark (as I saw it) I think does have to be attributed to the manager.

For what it’s worth, I don’t think this is just a Des problem. I think the team has quietly been like this all season. Last night really reminded me of the Port Vale game back in September - really struggling at home against a very poor side to create much at all with the ball, and ultimately being punished (in wildly frustrating fashion). I think earlier in the season we were just getting the rub of the green a bit more, and our XG numbers from the Manning days apparently support this.
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I thought we created more chances - or moves that should have resulted in chances- a couple of times I thought Murphy's passing and vision was astonishing at this level and better quality crosses, or Harris on the form he showed a couple of games ago would have resulted in goals. I'd love to see Murphy crossing to Goodwin.

I agree with you about that Port Vale game.

it's about confidence, trust, knowing what the other players are going to do- these players haven't played together enough and the nervousness of the crowd certainly affects them. But I saw a lot to think was improving- and that move between Dale and Goodwin was special- and at last we have a striker who can put away a half chance like that.
 
Leysboy said:
There performances have been sub standard since the arrival of Des. Downed tools is what I call it. Coincidence - No!

They wanted someone else, and they aren’t happy. That’s how it is I’m afraid. Sad yes, but also reality.
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Then they should be kicked out of our club. We're league one and that means that we will always have players that are not as good as we would want, are inconsistent or make mistakes.

But if a player, regardless of who they are, downed tools or stops giving everything, for any reason, they I don't want them to ever put the yellow shirt on again.

And if you are protecting people like that then I'd suggest that you're not the fan that you think you are.
 
Joey said:
Last season we saw the best side I've seen at this level in Ipswich, currently third in the Championship, being managed by someone who had only worked as youth team manager previously, never taken on responsibility for the whole club. They still didn't win the league because Plymouth pipped them to it under Schumacher who was in his first management role. Pompey are odds on to win the league in Mous' first full season in his first job as a manager. Barnsley are chasing down the autos as well with a guy who's only managerial experience was with the Tampa Bay Rowdies. They all fit the "young , innovative coach with new ideas" mould that you mentioned, and I suspect they also received a hell of a lot more support than Des has.

This isn't to say he's doing a fantastic job either but the whole reason for taking against him is absolutely bizarre.
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The difference between Steven Schumacher/Mousinho/Neill Collins and Des and the lad Millwall sacked today is 400 plus games and 10 to 15 years as a pro building up tatical knowledge, respect and connections.

Professionals coaching professionals.
 
Orkney Islands Yellow said:
The difference between Steven Schumacher/Mousinho/Neill Collins and Des and the lad Millwall sacked today is 400 plus games and 10 to 15 years as a pro building up tatical knowledge, respect and connections.

Professionals coaching professionals.
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Des had 10 years as a coach here and eventually joining the first team set up under Wilder. He spent more time back here as coach for Stoke U23s from July 2017 to January 2018. He said in an interview that he’s had to adapt his communication style as a result of managing an international side and liasing with managers from lots of club sides. He has been thought highly of enough to be part of the City Football Group and led Mumbai City into the Asian CL for the first time. His career has shown improvement every step of the away. He is not some jumped up country bumpkin who doesn’t know what a ball looks like.

And just how do managers gain experience? By managing games. Lincoln have hired a manager with no previous experience and no playing career to speak of. They’re doing fine. Barnsley have brought in a guy who has only managed in whatever league sits below the MLS.

I’m not saying he’s the finished article nor that he hasn’t made mistakes. I’d like to see more intensity from his sides like I did when watching Manning’s team here.

It’s the same old posters whenever there’s a bad result making out that Des is some tactical retard who doesn’t know anybody, anything, is hated and basically wasn’t their first choice.
 
Orkney Islands Yellow said:
The difference between Steven Schumacher/Mousinho/Neill Collins and Des and the lad Millwall sacked today is 400 plus games and 10 to 15 years as a pro building up tatical knowledge, respect and connections.

Professionals coaching professionals.
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Remind me again, how many professional games did Wenger, Ferguson and Klopp play?

Also while you’re there could you remind me how John Terry, Wayne Rooney, Frank Lampard and Steven Gerrard are doing in their management careers?

Like it or not, Des is a very good, young and up coming coach who was part of the city group, an organisation who are known for hand picking some of the best up and coming coaches.
 
Steve Gilbert said:
Remind me again, how many professional games did Wenger, Ferguson and Klopp play?

Also while you’re there could you remind me how John Terry, Wayne Rooney, Frank Lampard and Steven Gerrard are doing in their management careers?

Like it or not, Des is a very good, young and up coming coach who was part of the city group, an organisation who are known for hand picking some of the best up and coming coaches.
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Ferguson was pro wasn’t he? Only on Scotland but he was still paid to pay the game.
 
Steve Gilbert said:
Remind me again, how many professional games did Wenger, Ferguson and Klopp play?

Also while you’re there could you remind me how John Terry, Wayne Rooney, Frank Lampard and Steven Gerrard are doing in their management careers?

Like it or not, Des is a very good, young and up coming coach who was part of the city group, an organisation who are known for hand picking some of the best up and coming coaches.
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Err, Klopp played 325 times in the 2. Bundesliga for Mainz...
 
Leysboy said:
There performances have been sub standard since the arrival of Des. Downed tools is what I call it. Coincidence - No!

They wanted someone else, and they aren’t happy. That’s how it is I’m afraid. Sad yes, but also reality.
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Wow, this is something else, you've taken a hell of a leap to suggest that because those players are now not playing great (applies to half the squad in comparison to the first two months), and that maybe they would have liked to see someone else in charge, that we should sack Des.

Do you actually believe the nonsense you write?
 
Steve Gilbert said:
Remind me again, how many professional games did Wenger, Ferguson and Klopp play?

Also while you’re there could you remind me how John Terry, Wayne Rooney, Frank Lampard and Steven Gerrard are doing in their management careers?

Like it or not, Des is a very good, young and up coming coach who was part of the city group, an organisation who are known for hand picking some of the best up and coming coaches.
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Wenger made 67 more pro appearances than Buckingham.

Ferguson had a long playing career as did Klopp. Professionals.

Another seduced by the City Group. It'll all come crashing down one day. Give me a City group budget and disregard for the rules and I'll win them trophies.
 
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