Manager/Coach Des Buckingham

Grumpy Git said:
So you’re speaking to the players are you? You’re an ITK it that because a mate of yours knows a postman who delivers post to someone’s great granny who gets her pension from the same post office as a granny of one of the under 10’s.
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Or just know multiple players who say how out of his depth he is?
 
It’s funny. If players are claiming that it’s their gaffer who is out of his depth then that’s simply a deflection tactic which masks their own physical and mental inadequacies. Good human beings don’t do that. It’s very disrespectful. I’ve been told that Des, if nothing else is a good person.

Saturday we were adequate. I was pleased for Buckingham mostly, because I want him to succeed with us long after our current playing staff are on the books.
 
Reynolds97 said:
Or just know multiple players who say how out of his depth he is?
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The idea that this reflects badly on anything other than the players themselves and the culture at the club that needs changing is laughable.

Des may or may not be out of his depth, but this reflects (if it's true and that's taking it with a big pitch of salt) a much bigger problem that needs tackling first before we even have a hope of doing anything on the pitch.
 
Bicester Yellow said:
Des may of inherited a side that was second in the league but it was never going to be good enough to stay there, we have too many passengers. Whatever happens this season, tough decisions need to be made in the summer.
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I'm not sure anyone thought we would carry on as we were and challenge for automatic promotion but im not sure anyone thought we would immediately switch to relegation form either. The point of my post was to give a bit of perspective to people comparing Des to Appleton as some sort of justification.
 
Sharp Edges said:
I'm not sure anyone thought we would carry on as we were and challenge for automatic promotion but im not sure anyone thought we would immediately switch to relegation form either. The point of my post was to give a bit of perspective to people comparing Des to Appleton as some sort of justification.
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I did. If our form was only average since November, we would have probably been third or 4th.
 
headless_pnub said:
The idea that this reflects badly on anything other than the players themselves and the culture at the club that needs changing is laughable.

Des may or may not be out of his depth, but this reflects (if it's true and that's taking it with a big pitch of salt) a much bigger problem that needs tackling first before we even have a hope of doing anything on the pitch.
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I disagree its the same for any walk of life - If you have a manager who you dislike & Not motivated by they aren't going to get the best out of you? Of course players should be above that but that's just life. Its no coincidence Ruben ,Leigh , Mcgaune ect are all playing below par.
 
One thing that Des has been very good at since he arrived is getting results against the dross.
Against sides in the bottom third of League One on merit and below (so not including Reading - because they wouldn't be without the points deduction - and ignoring the Tinpot Trophy because it's irrelevant), he's played 8, won 7 and only lost his first game against Cheltenham.

Against every side in the top two thirds of the league and above (again ignoring the Tinpot) it's played 17, won 1, drawn 7, lost 9.

Hopefully that keeps up through the next three games, and then he works out how to beat competent sides!
 
tonyw said:
One thing that Des has been very good at since he arrived is getting results against the dross.
Against sides in the bottom third of League One on merit and below (so not including Reading - because they wouldn't be without the points deduction - and ignoring the Tinpot Trophy because it's irrelevant), he's played 8, won 7 and only lost his first game against Cheltenham.

Against every side in the top two thirds of the league and above (again ignoring the Tinpot) it's played 17, won 1, drawn 7, lost 9.

Hopefully that keeps up through the next three games, and then he works out how to beat competent sides!
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I mean lets be honest Vale and rubbish like them didn't take a lot of working out? Wasn't anything tactically that won us those games we just have the much better quality.
 
I'm pleased for Des with the result on Saturday along with the performance and I am also happy that he was able to show he could change and shake things up. I was getting very worried that he was just going to throw the usual suspects out over and over in the hope we'd finally win a game but seeing some tactical flexibility alleviated some concerns. It was only one game though against the second worst side in the division so he still has much to do over the coming games to keep us up there but this is a great opportunity for him and us to build on that.
 
McGuane seems to have played below par for much of his career with the exception of a couple of brief purple patches. Maybe what we've seen from November is more par for the course as he;s reverted to type....as he has in most previous seasons. He just looks bereft of confidence and like he's not that interested - he's a shadow of the robust and classy box to box midfielder able to pick out decisive passes and get us on the front foot that we saw earlier in the season. . . . .again, just like the pattern his performances have followed in previous seasons.

Maybe Des' biggest mistake was sticking with for as long as he did. And maybe dropping him was all the change we needed against poor quality opposition🤷‍♂️ I can't really see him coming back in for future fixtures, unless he really produces some magic AND pulls up trees in training.

I also very much like the character and leadership that Dale brings to the team. Far more bite and more up for the fight. Well done to Des and the team for identifying that as something lacking in the squad and getting in a top end League 1 player to fill the obvious gap.

Shame Matete hasn't worked out so far. He may come good, but it was an attempt to fill another yawning gap in the squad. Same applies to Goodwin.
 
Sheik djibouti said:
McGuane seems to have played below par for much of his career with the exception of a couple of brief purple patches. Maybe what we've seen from November is more par for the course as he;s reverted to type....as he has in most previous seasons. He just looks bereft of confidence and like he's not that interested - he's a shadow of the robust and classy box to box midfielder able to pick out decisive passes and get us on the front foot that we saw earlier in the season. . . . .again, just like the pattern his performances have followed in previous seasons.

Maybe Des' biggest mistake was sticking with for as long as he did. And maybe dropping him was all the change we needed against poor quality opposition🤷‍♂️ I can't really see him coming back in for future fixtures, unless he really produces some magic AND pulls up trees in training.

I also very much like the character and leadership that Dale brings to the team. Far more bite and more up for the fight. Well done to Des and the team for identifying that as something lacking in the squad and getting in a top end League 1 player to fill the obvious gap.

Shame Matete hasn't worked out so far. He may come good, but it was an attempt to fill another yawning gap in the squad. Same applies to Goodwin.
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Agree about McGuane - but I fear that we're going to run into the same problems we ran into against Bolton if we try and play the midfield we did against Vale against decent opposition i.e. they will get completely overrun. Whilst acknowledging what both Bodin & RR can bring to the team in an attacking sense, they are hardly going to offer much defensive resistance against top opponents.

Cam/Bodin/RR may work for the next three, but if it's not going to be McGuane (and I agree that it's probably not now) then we desperately need either Matete or McEachran to find some form before the Posh/Lincoln/Stevenage stretch.
 
Foley said:
I really don't buy that.
Anybody thinking of signing McGuane would be put off by his form this year.
And if he has 'downed tools', I am not sure how that would impress any potential clubs
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It doesn't always work like that though does it?
How many times have we taken a punt on a player that's been out of favour or underperforming at their current club, based on their potential?
Owen Dale is the latest example. Same was true of many players in our squad. Unwanted by other clubs, we took a punt based on their potential and being the "right fit".
 
tonyw said:
Agree about McGuane - but I fear that we're going to run into the same problems we ran into against Bolton if we try and play the midfield we did against Vale against decent opposition i.e. they will get completely overrun. Whilst acknowledging what both Bodin & RR can bring to the team in an attacking sense, they are hardly going to offer much defensive resistance against top opponents.

Cam/Bodin/RR may work for the next three, but if it's not going to be McGuane (and I agree that it's probably not now) then we desperately need either Matete or McEachran to find some form before the Posh/Lincoln/Stevenage stretch.
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Agreed, that midfield won't work as well against a better quality of opposition...it could even go as wrong as it did against Bolton. So how do we solve that problem? Really not sure, but maybe Leigh at Left mid to give a bit more robustness in front of Bennett with Long/Stevens and Dale on the other. The middle though as you say is the real problem. McEachran was part of the team that was successful at the start of the season ....domyou think he can rediscover that? Not sure as I think any team that employs a press will.overrun him as whilst he's a quality passer, he's just too ponderous for me. Matete ought to be the answer, but we've seen nothing from him to suggest that's the case so far. That was a pretty serious injury he got and he now seems to be in that place where he's picking up knocks and niggles with alarming regularity.
So if not this two as the anchor, is Cambran the only realistic alternative....but then who further forward...Bodin? Goodrham?, Henry?...what about Murphy more centrally in the RR role?
No easy answer I can see at present, more hope than anything!
 
Sheik djibouti said:
It doesn't always work like that though does it?
How many times have we taken a punt on a player that's been out of favour or underperforming at their current club, based on their potential?
Owen Dale is the latest example. Same was true of many players in our squad. Unwanted by other clubs, we took a punt based on their potential and being the "right fit".
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I don't think there's any great mystery about MM. He's just not that good. Great technique and balance, but he's a very cautious player, who often plays the wrong pass. He doesn't influence games. Dale has done more for us in six appearances than MM has done in 100+ imo. MM is not a dynamic player. You can see why he was so highly rated as a teenager. But you can also see why he's failed. I'd be quite happy to see him go. He might get a low level Championship club, but he won't make any impact at that level.
 
Sheik djibouti said:
Agreed, that midfield won't work as well against a better quality of opposition...it could even go as wrong as it did against Bolton. So how do we solve that problem? Really not sure, but maybe Leigh at Left mid to give a bit more robustness in front of Bennett with Long/Stevens and Dale on the other. The middle though as you say is the real problem. McEachran was part of the team that was successful at the start of the season ....domyou think he can rediscover that? Not sure as I think any team that employs a press will.overrun him as whilst he's a quality passer, he's just too ponderous for me. Matete ought to be the answer, but we've seen nothing from him to suggest that's the case so far. That was a pretty serious injury he got and he now seems to be in that place where he's picking up knocks and niggles with alarming regularity.
So if not this two as the anchor, is Cambran the only realistic alternative....but then who further forward...Bodin? Goodrham?, Henry?...what about Murphy more centrally in the RR role?
No easy answer I can see at present, more hope than anything!
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If we’re at the point of trying anything - maybe Smyth? Certainly has the physical traits and the defensive instincts. Passing wasn’t wholly horrible when he got his brief run in the team. Maybe we could try him behind Cam & RR/Bodin if we’re unconvinced by any of the other options (and I think we are!)
 
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