Ex-Staff Liam Manning

I think the manning and Buckingham thing tells us about modern football.

I’m actually bored of watching a lot of modern football and both coaches are the future!

You can see that even Man City fans are half asleep most of the time. Yes the game is being controlled or aiming to be by coaches who are members of the city group, but supporters don’t identify possession with entertainment and at our level, it doesn’t always translate in to positive results.

Atmosphere has suffered in a lot of cases and supporters being called customers is not helpful either. Football is definitely evolving. I’m not sure whether it will be as popular in 50 yrs.
 
Gregortheox said:
I think the manning and Buckingham thing tells us about modern football.

I’m actually bored of watching a lot of modern football and both coaches are the future!

You can see that even Man City fans are half asleep most of the time. Yes the game is being controlled or aiming to be by coaches who are members of the city group, but supporters don’t identify possession with entertainment and at our level, it doesn’t always translate in to positive results.

Atmosphere has suffered in a lot of cases and supporters being called customers is not helpful either. Football is definitely evolving. I’m not sure whether it will be as popular in 50 yrs.
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However football is now more popular than ever in UK and around the world. I'd say that skill levels have increased a lot over the last twenty years and that before last season we had a few very enjoyable and exciting seasons, though our last two managers have given us dull fare.

There are definitely more 'customers' than supporters on this site than there used to be - people who get in a strop if we lose and say they're not going to watch us any more, or won't get a season ticket next time, because we're not winning enough or giving them enough excitement. They're seeing the football experience as a transaction rather than identifying primarily as supporters of the club and the team.
 
werthersoriginal said:
There are definitely more 'customers' than supporters on this site than there used to be - people who get in a strop if we lose and say they're not going to watch us any more, or won't get a season ticket next time, because we're not winning enough or giving them enough excitement. They're seeing the football experience as a transaction rather than identifying primarily as supporters of the club and the team.
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Are football fans more entitled than they ever used to be? Or is it the same 'extreme' minority who have more air time?
I was reading that a Man U supporter was arguing against Southgate being their next manager. On Talk Sport, he was suggesting that the fans were against it and if Radcliffe did this then the ground would be empty!
Now I hate Man U, but even I know that the ground will be full!
Then the Chelsea supporters have written to management suggesting that the way that the club is bring rum is threatening the short term and medium future of Chelsea ( good). Apparently some want Abramovic back.
What are these people on?
 
Yes football ,is the most boring& unappealing it's ever been in my 60ish odd years. Tippy tappy can't touch no-one,cheating ,diving,bad officials.etc/etc..
Thank goodness,we don't have VAR in league 1. That would be it for me..
 
Foley said:
Are football fans more entitled than they ever used to be? Or is it the same 'extreme' minority who have more air time?
I was reading that a Man U supporter was arguing against Southgate being their next manager. On Talk Sport, he was suggesting that the fans were against it and if Radcliffe did this then the ground would be empty!
Now I hate Man U, but even I know that the ground will be full!
Then the Chelsea supporters have written to management suggesting that the way that the club is bring rum is threatening the short term and medium future of Chelsea ( good). Apparently some want Abramovic back.
What are these people on?
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I'd say more entitled as it is just easier to complain/rant now through social media or talk radio etc so patience has been lost. For example, I doubt Alex Ferguson would have survived with his start if it happened now. I can't imagine the Sunderland management revolving door of the last few years due to the fans pressure would have happened back in the day either.

Although we had our moments back in the day such as the "Horton Out" period (I'm as guilty as the next person on this score) when in hindsight he did a good job. Also, West Ham fans in my experience seem to think they have a divine right to be competing for the title which goes back to before I started watching Oxford in the 80s. Off the top of my head, from the time I've been watching, I can only think of one time they were fighting right at the top and that was when Frank McAvennie was playing for them, forming a great partnership with Tony Cottee.

I don't think some owners help now when you consider the likes of Watford with their seemingly hundreds of managers over the last few years and their feeling of entitlement to be in the PL.
 
Scrongo said:
Yes football ,is the most boring& unappealing it's ever been in my 60ish odd years. Tippy tappy can't touch no-one,cheating ,diving,bad officials.etc/etc..
Thank goodness,we don't have VAR in league 1. That would be it for me..
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So just the sort of customer/supporter Werthers is referring to! You must have missed out on the mid 70s or you would have stropped off then.
 
And there was I not having had a decent look at the forum today and seeing rhe latest posts and the snakes’ thread had been accessed…. I was hoping he had got the sack.
 
TailsWeWin said:
So just the sort of customer/supporter Werthers is referring to! You must have missed out on the mid 70s or you would have stropped off then.
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Yeah right .... Don't think so, I'm a supporter since 1967. Haha the mid 70s was dire with Mick brown & Bill Asprey relegations ,being in the record lowest crowd against Crewe. Etc/ Etc , I still prefer those Manor days you'll never get them days back never.. Football will never ever be the same as being at our spiritual home in HEADINGTON....
 
Scrongo said:
Yeah right .... Don't think so, I'm a supporter since 1967. Haha the mid 70s was dire with Mick brown & Bill Asprey relegations ,being in the record lowest crowd against Crewe. Etc/ Etc , I still prefer those Manor days you'll never get them days back never.. Football will never ever be the same as being at our spiritual home in HEADINGTON....
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I know it felt like a relegation under Asprey, but it wasn't one. Given more time, however, he'd have got us one...
 
werthersoriginal said:
However football is now more popular than ever in UK and around the world. I'd say that skill levels have increased a lot over the last twenty years and that before last season we had a few very enjoyable and exciting seasons, though our last two managers have given us dull fare.

There are definitely more 'customers' than supporters on this site than there used to be - people who get in a strop if we lose and say they're not going to watch us any more, or won't get a season ticket next time, because we're not winning enough or giving them enough excitement. They're seeing the football experience as a transaction rather than identifying primarily as supporters of the club and the team.
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Popularity might be down to access too, rather than just entertainment.
Attending games in person is less intimidating than it was a couple of decades ago (for those not used to the footy crowd vibe). Internet access has got infinitely better over that time.
I’m way more engaged as an Oxford fan because I can watch almost every game, compared to the odd random stream and radox, or simply nothing as you go back 10,15,20 years. Maybe the entertainment value of oufc has improved, maybe not.
 
Scrongo said:
Yeah right .... Don't think so, I'm a supporter since 1967. Haha the mid 70s was dire with Mick brown & Bill Asprey relegations ,being in the record lowest crowd against Crewe. Etc/ Etc , I still prefer those Manor days you'll never get them days back never.. Football will never ever be the same as being at our spiritual home in HEADINGTON....
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It was Chester not Crewe, and I remember it being shite
 
Foley said:
Are football fans more entitled than they ever used to be? Or is it the same 'extreme' minority who have more air time?
I was reading that a Man U supporter was arguing against Southgate being their next manager. On Talk Sport, he was suggesting that the fans were against it and if Radcliffe did this then the ground would be empty!
Now I hate Man U, but even I know that the ground will be full!
Then the Chelsea supporters have written to management suggesting that the way that the club is bring rum is threatening the short term and medium future of Chelsea ( good). Apparently some want Abramovic back.
What are these people on?
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I've found this to be a very reliable way of making watching us more entertaining.
 
BrockBuster said:
And RBIs and batting average have been in baseball for over a hundred years, when realistically there's a loads of metrics which paint a more accurate picture (WRC+ and OPS+ two of the best for anyone who cares).

Just because it once was, doesn't mean it should.
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Sure, but baseball is basically less a sport and more a complex statistics generation mechanism*. Not only do they play so many games that you get closer to statistically significant outcomes, but there's also comparatively few variables (pitcher throws, batter hits, fielders field.....then do it over again).

Football has fewer games, and far more variables affecting each of its events (to varying degrees, each goal is affected by all 22 players) so it is vastly more difficult to model. And therefore complex statistics are relatively less useful.

So I'm always going to be suspicious about over-Moneyballing the game......at least from a coaching standpoint. Brentford have shown that it works for recruiting


(*this is not meant as an insult. As a huge stats geek**, I love me some baseball)

(**which therefore means I'm very happy to see a discussion on OPS+ appearing on Yellows Forum! Though even I don't understand wRC+.......)
 
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