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Are you a bonus person or a biscuit person?

Listen to James O'B then vote.

 
I'm not JO'B's biggest fan, but its difficult to argue with this. I have a fairly long fixed term on my mortgage which protects me from the raise in interest rates, and I'm able to do additional overtime that has helped cover the fuel rises (yet still spending time away from the family in order to keep them warm!).

And the reduction in NI and income tax will give me an extra £700 or so a year. So on paper I'm slightly better off. However, the plummeting pound and the fact that this "budget" will do little to address inflation means that I'll have little to show for these tax cuts. And I'm on a half decent wage.

For those seeing mortgage rises, utility bills doubled in the last year even with the cap, food bills up, inflation far exceeding pay rises and the fear that many small businesses will fold leaving thousands out of work, there is the square root of f**k all in this for them.

I honestly don't know who sat there looking at these figures and thought, that will win us votes. That will stop millions of households worrying about the coming winter and how they will heat and feed their kids?

It's insane to see how anyone (although I'm sure one will try) can see this as anything other than the opening lines on a political suicide note.
 
Scotchegg said:
I'm not JO'B's biggest fan, but its difficult to argue with this. I have a fairly long fixed term on my mortgage which protects me from the raise in interest rates, and I'm able to do additional overtime that has helped cover the fuel rises (yet still spending time away from the family in order to keep them warm!).

And the reduction in NI and income tax will give me an extra £700 or so a year. So on paper I'm slightly better off. However, the plummeting pound and the fact that this "budget" will do little to address inflation means that I'll have little to show for these tax cuts. And I'm on a half decent wage.

For those seeing mortgage rises, utility bills doubled in the last year even with the cap, food bills up, inflation far exceeding pay rises and the fear that many small businesses will fold leaving thousands out of work, there is the square root of f**k all in this for them.

I honestly don't know who sat there looking at these figures and thought, that will win us votes. That will stop millions of households worrying about the coming winter and how they will heat and feed their kids?

It's insane to see how anyone (although I'm sure one will try) can see this as anything other than the opening lines on a political suicide note.
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Going for Broke, as one unnamed Tory said.
 
Scotchegg said:
I'm not JO'B's biggest fan, but its difficult to argue with this. I have a fairly long fixed term on my mortgage which protects me from the raise in interest rates, and I'm able to do additional overtime that has helped cover the fuel rises (yet still spending time away from the family in order to keep them warm!).

And the reduction in NI and income tax will give me an extra £700 or so a year. So on paper I'm slightly better off. However, the plummeting pound and the fact that this "budget" will do little to address inflation means that I'll have little to show for these tax cuts. And I'm on a half decent wage.

For those seeing mortgage rises, utility bills doubled in the last year even with the cap, food bills up, inflation far exceeding pay rises and the fear that many small businesses will fold leaving thousands out of work, there is the square root of f**k all in this for them.

I honestly don't know who sat there looking at these figures and thought, that will win us votes. That will stop millions of households worrying about the coming winter and how they will heat and feed their kids?

It's insane to see how anyone (although I'm sure one will try) can see this as anything other than the opening lines on a political suicide note.
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It will impress the right wing press and the people who pay the trolls, who will in turn influence the hard of thinking. But it doesn’t have the populist touch of Boris, even though ‘tax cuts’ sound nice.
 
I should have added for political balance that I have been a tory voter most of my life, but I couldn't vote for this sorry bunch. I'm not sold on Labour either, but we can't carry on like the way we have over the last few years and change is needed.
 
chuckbert said:
The thing that stuns me is that anyone who votes Tory would be at all surprised by this. This is what the Tory party is about and has been for centuries since the power to run the country was handed to parliament.
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To be fair you get a lot of people commenting that the nights are drawing in and that it's getting colder at this time of year.

Never underestimate people's capacity to be surprised by the obvious.
 
Being a old git my biscuit is invisible , just recieved my state pension forecast, thank god for my occupational pensions , and the fact in the past we have saved money
Which means we have breathing space,
Using less energy compared to last year, but as we all know paying more for less, the 1% tax cut on a small income as compared to the 5% for the well paid just sums up the complete mess we are in, and cannot see any way out of it with the current bunch of politicians we have been lumbered with in all parties
 
Scotchegg said:
I should have added for political balance that I have been a tory voter most of my life, but I couldn't vote for this sorry bunch. I'm not sold on Labour either, but we can't carry on like the way we have over the last few years and change is needed.
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I would have thought you spouted enough hot air to never need to worry about heating your home again Scotchers?
 
I was expecting something positive out of the mini-budget, but instead we got same old Tories, same old 'I'm alright Jack'.

When I first read it, a 1% income tax decrease sounded reasonable. I understand that the government are having to borrow money to pay for this, and every little helps and all that. But - to then give a 5% income tax decrease to those earning over 150K is just disgusting, despicable, and beyond contempt.
 
werthersoriginal said:
It will impress the right wing press and the people who pay the trolls, who will in turn influence the hard of thinking. But it doesn’t have the populist touch of Boris, even though ‘tax cuts’ sound nice.
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I've read a couple of articles in the Express and they aren't impressed based on the flavour of them. Even some in the Telegraph have been critical.

The Daily Mail however:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1573415231208013839
 
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chuckbert said:
The thing that stuns me is that anyone who votes Tory would be at all surprised by this. This is what the Tory party is about and has been for centuries since the power to run the country was handed to parliament.
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Disagree with this - the Tories of the 1980s allowed and encouraged my working class parents to open a business, and they brought a whole swathe of people out of working class poverty by incentivising people to own their own home.

Say what you will about the legacy of those policies, but the Tory party has been about helping ordinary people to improve their lot. That has been lost somewhere along the line and has pretty much disappeared since 2010.
 
bashamwonderland said:
Disagree with this - the Tories of the 1980s allowed and encouraged my working class parents to open a business, and they brought a whole swathe of people out of working class poverty by incentivising people to own their own home.

Say what you will about the legacy of those policies, but the Tory party has been about helping ordinary people to improve their lot. That has been lost somewhere along the line and has pretty much disappeared since 2010.
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That brief flash of Thatcherism in the long history of the Tory party wasn't all sunshine ... It involved terminating the livelihood of whole towns, making access to council services more expensive for ordinary people, making it more expensive for ordinary people to get educated. The loss of public housing stock may have helped a swathe of working class people, but has resulted in many more ordinary people getting thoroughly shafted just to keep a roof over their heads.
 
chuckbert said:
That brief flash of Thatcherism in the long history of the Tory party wasn't all sunshine ... It involved terminating the livelihood of whole towns, making access to council services more expensive for ordinary people, making it more expensive for ordinary people to get educated. The loss of public housing stock may have helped a swathe of working class people, but has resulted in many more ordinary people getting thoroughly shafted just to keep a roof over their heads.
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Well I can see what you're saying about the legacy of those policies, but it doesn't mean that a huge number of "normal" people weren't elevated by 80s Tory policy.

The loss of public housing isn't really a Thatcherism problem - since Major the building of social housing has virtually stopped. That policy worked, and it could have been protected by politicians but instead they chose not to deal with it. She turned the taps on and it was up to

Also, some towns needed to die. Coal was dead, shipbuilding was entirely unprofitable, our car industry was a disgrace, 3 day weeks, blackouts - compare the country in 1980 to 1990 and the country was completely transformed for the better.
 
bashamwonderland said:
Well I can see what you're saying about the legacy of those policies, but it doesn't mean that a huge number of "normal" people weren't elevated by 80s Tory policy.

The loss of public housing isn't really a Thatcherism problem - since Major the building of social housing has virtually stopped. That policy worked, and it could have been protected by politicians but instead they chose not to deal with it. She turned the taps on and it was up to

Also, some towns needed to die. Coal was dead, shipbuilding was entirely unprofitable, our car industry was a disgrace, 3 day weeks, blackouts - compare the country in 1980 to 1990 and the country was completely transformed for the better.
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Some fair points there. I don’t think building social housing has ever been a Tory priority though has it?
 
Conservatives= greed
Labour= waste
Liberals= undecided
Greens = turnips
 
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