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SteMerritt said:
I'd suggest a World Cup semi-final and Nations League semi-final out rank 3rd in the Scottish league.
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I must admit I don't know enough about Scottish football to gauge how much of an achievement finishing third with Kilmarnock is but I don't think a World Cup semi was much of an achievement. The best result was a 2-0 win over an average Sweden and he's been bulletproof since then unfortunately.
 
Joey said:
I must admit I don't know enough about Scottish football to gauge how much of an achievement finishing third with Kilmarnock is but I don't think a World Cup semi was much of an achievement. The best result was a 2-0 win over an average Sweden and he's been bulletproof since then unfortunately.
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Well put it this way, Clarke's only been gone two seasons and they've been relegated. And in that time he's turned around the Scottish team and got them to this competition.

Southgate got Middlesbrough relegated and is now wasting some of the best England talent in a generation.

Clarke has created a team greater than the sum of its individual parts, Southgate had done the opposite*.

(*I'd love nothing more than to have to eat my words over the next few weeks, if fact I will be willing it to happen)
 
Jack Midson said:
Happy with that result. Fingers crossed we can get a bore draw out of the Czechs on Tuesday for a favourable draw in the next round, and then we can get the best players doing what they doing. Kane lulling everyone into a false sense of security perfectly.
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🤣🤣🤣 he should now be dropped for the next game and if whoever comes in for him performs well then he has to stay on the bench until he’s used as a sub because he needs to replace someone.
the tv pundits for the game Wales played against Turkey we’re saying he’s un droppable that’s bull s**t
 
The Scottish fans all over the socials are really amusing. Got nothing against Scotland, I wanted them to do well in this tournament, but they're treating a drab 0-0 like their 5-1 in Munich moment. The reality is that come 10 o'clock on Tuesday, they're likely to have gone out of their first international tournament in decades without even having a goal to celebrate.

On the England side, I don't really get the mass meltdown that's gone on in the last 12 hours. Yeah, it wasn't a great watch, but this is tournament football. You grow into the tournament, you don't win every game 3-0 (sorry Italy). France in 2018 got out of a terrible group (Australia, Peru, Denmark) with 7 points, including an own goal winner in the final 10 minutes against Australia and a 0-0 draw with Denmark. In 2010, the winners, one of the best international sides ever, lost their opening game to Switzerland. The more I watch international football, the more I think it's about control. With extraordinarily rare exceptions, you're simply not going to get the sophisticated passing play or coordinated pressing you get in the club game. You simply don't have time, as a coach, to instil that in the 10 days you get with the players every 4 months. The teams that always do well are the ones that can defend well, not concede, and nick wins from set pieces, or with bits of bits of inspired individual attacking play. England are pretty well set up to do just that. It worked pretty perfectly on Sunday against a side everyone had tipped to be one of the strongest in the tournament, and, if Stones scores that header, or Mount puts away that tap in, or even if Sterling gets that pen (that would probably have been given in the Prem) and we win 1-0, it's worked pretty much perfectly again last night.

Scotland played well in their cup final, and both teams basically nullified each other. England had the clearer chances, but a draw was the right result. I'm not sure what this nationwide surge in negativity does to help anything.
 
Marked Ox said:
Harsh on Mings and Stones for me. They weren't s**t. The team performance was however.
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Maybe but certainly our strike force were very poor have to make changes for the next game there’s no sentiment in football. Unfortunately there are people who think Kane must play his performance on the BBC warranted a 2.96 that’s just not good enough.
 
Against the Czech’s I would start with
Pickford
Walker stones Mings shaw
Phillips
Foden grealish
Sancho Calvert lewin sterling
Surely that would be abit more exciting and might actually win and get a shot on goal
 
oufc1991 said:
Against the Czech’s I would start with
Pickford
Walker stones Mings shaw
Phillips
Foden grealish
Sancho Calvert lewin sterling
Surely that would be abit more exciting and might actually win and get a shot on goal
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Shaw and Sterling? No thanks. Chilwell deserves a chance and Sterling cannot start for a third game in a row surely
 
ttg17 said:
The Scottish fans all over the socials are really amusing. Got nothing against Scotland, I wanted them to do well in this tournament, but they're treating a drab 0-0 like their 5-1 in Munich moment. The reality is that come 10 o'clock on Tuesday, they're likely to have gone out of their first international tournament in decades without even having a goal to celebrate.

On the England side, I don't really get the mass meltdown that's gone on in the last 12 hours. Yeah, it wasn't a great watch, but this is tournament football. You grow into the tournament, you don't win every game 3-0 (sorry Italy). France in 2018 got out of a terrible group (Australia, Peru, Denmark) with 7 points, including an own goal winner in the final 10 minutes against Australia and a 0-0 draw with Denmark. In 2010, the winners, one of the best international sides ever, lost their opening game to Switzerland. The more I watch international football, the more I think it's about control. With extraordinarily rare exceptions, you're simply not going to get the sophisticated passing play or coordinated pressing you get in the club game. You simply don't have time, as a coach, to instil that in the 10 days you get with the players every 4 months. The teams that always do well are the ones that can defend well, not concede, and nick wins from set pieces, or with bits of bits of inspired individual attacking play. England are pretty well set up to do just that. It worked pretty perfectly on Sunday against a side everyone had tipped to be one of the strongest in the tournament, and, if Stones scores that header, or Mount puts away that tap in, or even if Sterling gets that pen (that would probably have been given in the Prem) and we win 1-0, it's worked pretty much perfectly again last night.

Scotland played well in their cup final, and both teams basically nullified each other. England had the clearer chances, but a draw was the right result. I'm not sure what this nationwide surge in negativity does to help anything.
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Unlike England who did not play well in their cup final
 
ttg17 said:
Scotland played well in their cup final, and both teams basically nullified each other. England had the clearer chances, but a draw was the right result. I'm not sure what this nationwide surge in negativity does to help anything.
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It was dire to watch........... reflected in the response. :D
 
SteMerritt said:
You don't think reaching a World Cup semi in a tournament held abroad, something we had managed precisely ONCE before, was 'much of an achievement'? Blimey.
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Not hugely, no. It sounds great when you say it but who out of Tunisia, Panama and Sweden would you not have been fancied us to beat? Also scraped past an average Colombia side but needed penalties to do that, we failed to beat any good opposition that we came across.

I'd be far more forgiving of the results if the performances were entertaining but by Christ we're dull. You don't need 2 defence minded midfielders against Scotland, and even when he brought on Grealish (who he's ignored for over a year) it was in place of a forward thinking player in Foden rather than one of the more defensive midfielders. Show a bit of intent man, the stuff we play is dreadful and we've got a genuinley talented group of attacking players. Sancho not making the squad in the first game is another example of his safety first approach, we're we really more likely to need both Coady and White than a bit of attacking spark?
 
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