National News Sir Keir Starmer

Hardly been seen and possibly the worst candidate Labour could have chosen! A REMAINER standing in a town that voted 69% to LEAVE.
Think they would have learned from the general election where they lost a lot of seats because of the majority of Labour and the anti Brexit stance. I’m not sure which female Labour MP it was, but in the Birmingham area their constituency voted to leave but she voted to remain and tried to block brexit and her reasoning was that she knew better.
 
Seems like they've lost the working class.
Certainly seems that way. The long-established working class / Labour link has been diluted since Thatcher came to power. Remember 'Basildon man'? Working class Essex turned Tory so they could buy their council houses and a few utility shares to be sold at minimal profit a few weeks later. Blair had to turn his party into Labour-lite in 1997 to win.
 
I posted this back in September and it still rings true now. The Momentum lobby are loving Starmer losing Hartlepool in that it somehow proves that #CorbynWasRight. They seem to forget that Comrade Corbyn actually lost 60 seats at the last election. This just added one more to that list. The echo chamber social media outlets where Corbynism is still going strong are crowing about the Tory victory.

Starmer should really have started to show what he wants his vision of the Labour Party to be like by now. He's been there over a year and whilst the pandemic has influenced much of what has occurred over the last year, can you reel off a single policy that Labour are promising? To date, it's been backing the government on pandemic measures and precious little else. I don't think the electorate are going to be engaged in the issues of Tory sleaze, John Lewis wallpaper or dodgy donors - that sort of thing is a sideshow followed by readers of Private Eye. The electorate want belt-and-braces policies on the NHS, schools, national infrastructure and everything else you'd expect a national government to be engaged with. I just don't hear enough from what Labour offer anymore.
Diane Abbot has stuck the knife in already. Why cant these people see they are the problem and not the solution?

The labour party is finished until the stench of Corbyn, momentum, and Anti semitism etc are extinguished. They might have to go backwards to go forwards and somehow leave the loons to their own echo chamber and form another party.

Its really not a good place to be when a political party has zero opposition, especially one as average as our current government.
 
Certainly seems that way. The long-established working class / Labour link has been diluted since Thatcher came to power. Remember 'Basildon man'? Working class Essex turned Tory so they could buy their council houses and a few utility shares to be sold at minimal profit a few weeks later. Blair had to turn his party into Labour-lite in 1997 to win.
Blair was a red Tory
 
Certainly seems that way. The long-established working class / Labour link has been diluted since Thatcher came to power. Remember 'Basildon man'? Working class Essex turned Tory so they could buy their council houses and a few utility shares to be sold at minimal profit a few weeks later. Blair had to turn his party into Labour-lite in 1997 to win.
Those council house buyers of the 80s/90s are in their 50s now - they owe a lot to the Tories.

I just can't think of a generation of voters (other than the 18-25 year olds) who could sweep Labour into power in the same way that the 50+ crowd can.
 
Those council house buyers of the 80s/90s are in their 50s now - they owe a lot to the Tories.

I just can't think of a generation of voters (other than the 18-25 year olds) who could sweep Labour into power in the same way that the 50+ crowd can.
Yep, some bribes just keep on giving.
 
Meaning the last genuine Labour victory in this country came in 1974!!
I think if John Smith had come to power Labour may have had a good run, but yes the Wilson government giving into the unions frequently meant that even then we’re Labour in power?
 
I posted this back in September and it still rings true now. The Momentum lobby are loving Starmer losing Hartlepool in that it somehow proves that #CorbynWasRight. They seem to forget that Comrade Corbyn actually lost 60 seats at the last election. This just added one more to that list. The echo chamber social media outlets where Corbynism is still going strong are crowing about the Tory victory.
In truth Corbyn lost this seat for them as well, as the swing this time came from those who voted for the Brexit party last time moving to the Tories - the damage to the Labour vote had already been done
 
Also, I'm not sure the problem is Starmer himself, I think it is more those he has around him...

...all there seems to be are whining little idiots like Jonathan Ashworth and a bunch of very angry interchangeable women who seem to say an awful lot without actually saying anything.

I also dont think people care an awful lot about the sleaze allegations (however JA and co may try to label it), when all it amounts to (at least in the eyes of the public) is getting a loan to buy a pair of curtains - they generally have far more to worry about at the moment.
The Covid jobs for the boys accusation has been around so long that any impact has been watered down, particularly as Cummings can be blamed (and probably WAS behind most of it) and he is already being seen as the real villain of the last year (aka trailblazer for lockdown breakers) so any dirt he does throw at Boris and Co is just regarded as sour grapes and irrelevent.

I would have hoped to see Labour do better than they have, but fear that KS has so very little to work with that his task may indeed become impossible..
 
Also, I'm not sure the problem is Starmer himself, I think it is more those he has around him...

...all there seems to be are whining little idiots like Jonathan Ashworth and a bunch of very angry interchangeable women who seem to say an awful lot without actually saying anything.

I also dont think people care an awful lot about the sleaze allegations (however JA and co may try to label it), when all it amounts to (at least in the eyes of the public) is getting a loan to buy a pair of curtains - they generally have far more to worry about at the moment.
The Covid jobs for the boys accusation has been around so long that any impact has been watered down, particularly as Cummings can be blamed (and probably WAS behind most of it) and he is already being seen as the real villain of the last year (aka trailblazer for lockdown breakers) so any dirt he does throw at Boris and Co is just regarded as sour grapes and irrelevent.

I would have hoped to see Labour do better than they have, but fear that KS has so very little to work with that his task may indeed become impossible..
What is it they have to 'worry about' that hasn't been caused by the past 11 years of Tory rule but they believe another five years of Tory rule will sort out?
 
What is it they have to 'worry about' that hasn't been caused by the past 11 years of Tory rule but they believe another five years of Tory rule will sort out?
The current global pandemic? As much as I dislike the current incumbent and the pigs that feed from the trough with him I don't think they can be blamed for that.
 
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The current global pandemic? As much as I dislike the current incumbent and the pigs that feed from the trough with him I don't think they can be blamed for that.
No they can't and the vaccine roll out has been excellent (as I've said on here before - thank you NHS) but... the late lockdowns, plural, leading to one of the worst death rates amongst first world countries?
 
Only a two-party system will result in the Tories being moved on. America got Trump out because it came down to ‘us v them’ in a straight shootout - it was red v blue and nothing else. Forget the Libertarians; they mean nothing. It’s a two-party system. You can still win the Presidency without winning the popular vote, it isn’t perfect, but it’s still relatively straightforward. You know what you have to do in order to get the keys.

In the United Kingdom, The Conservative party has been completely taken over by the Brexiteers in recent years, and as a result has become more divisive and aggressive than ever. It has barely lost a supporter from before that point but has gained a raft of others, be it through swallowing up UKIP or poaching the poorest and most underprivileged in the country from Labour, who have largely decided that they hate foreign people more than their own country’s failings. The Tories are basically standing on one side of a divide that they have purposefully created, with as good as 100% of the people on that side behind only them. There are multiple parties across from them, some of whom are devolved nation specific, all cannibalising each other. Most of them can’t even agree with each other internally, let alone work together in a cross-party fashion.

Starmer started off reasonably well, but has ultimately ended up trying to stick to Queensbury rules in a street fight. His opponent thinks nothing of jumping him with a knife, but he’s too wrapped up in believing that he stuck to the rules and feeling as though he has won a moral victory. In the age of drama, headlines and sound bites, he has tried to take the higher ground, only he looks as though he has no balls. A lot of people seem to know what he’s against (sort of), but they haven’t got any idea what he’s actually for. Labour is now doing very well in London, it seems, which isn’t a good thing. It appears as though he doesn’t get it.

It wouldn’t matter who is in charge, though, given the simple mathematics at play. The FPTP system is a guaranteed victory for decades to come if you can split the country in two, own the whole of one side and leave the ‘other team’ squabbling and carving up the vote between them. There is absolutely no way past it at present. Labour lost Scotland years ago, and is about to start losing the ‘red belt’ in southern Wales to go along with the wall in the north of England. That isn’t much to do with Starmer IMO; I think he’s failing to stop the rot but I don’t think he caused it. Although you could argue that beyond a certain point, that amounts to the same thing.

Of course, an awful lot of numpties are now pining for you know who, and saying that Labour needs to immediately veer hard and to the left, forgetting that the rot started there. Worst Labour GE defeat in most people’s lifetime and suddenly the solution is to do it all again, while giving the opposition a chance to crow over how chaotic everything is, and how they can’t keep a leader for more than five minutes. Yep. That’ll do it.

This is one of many reasons why I have never subscribed to, or actively been a member of a political party. Most of them are populated by muppets who don’t even understand the country that they’re attempting to govern, and the parties (or party) that do get it are vile, psychotic charlatans who are setting fire to everything while dishing out miniature flags. Such an enticing choice.

Until the so-called left decides to pull together to create a working coalition, to essentially create a two-party system by default, and until someone is wiling to stand up and nail the crooks and conmen to the wall as part of that, everybody might as well go home.

Friday’s, eh? Am I right?!
 
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Only a two-party system will result in the Tories being moved on. America got Trump out because it came down to ‘us v them’ in a straight shootout - it was red v blue and nothing else. Forget the Libertarians; they mean nothing. It’s a two-party system. You can still win the Presidency without winning the popular vote, it isn’t perfect, but it’s still relatively straightforward. You know what you have to do in order to get the keys.

In the United Kingdom, The Conservative party has been completely taken over by the Brexiteers in recent years, and as a result has become more divisive and aggressive than ever. It has barely lost a supporter from before that point but has gained a raft of others, be it through swallowing up UKIP or poaching the poorest and most underprivileged in the country from Labour, who have largely decided that they hate foreign people more than their own country’s failings. The Tories are basically standing on one side of a divide that they have purposefully created, with as good as 100% of the people on that side behind only them. There are multiple parties across from them, some of whom are devolved nation specific, all cannibalising each other. Most of them can’t even agree with each other internally, let alone work together in a cross-party fashion.

Starmer started off reasonably well, but has ultimately ended up trying to stick to Queensbury rules in a street fight. His opponent thinks nothing of jumping him with a knife, but he’s too wrapped up in believing that he stuck to the rules and feeling as though he has won a moral victory. In the age of drama, headlines and sound bites, he has tried to take the higher ground, only he looks as though he has no balls. A lot of people seem to know what he’s against (sort of), but they haven’t got any idea what he’s actually for. Labour is now doing very well in London, it seems, which isn’t a good thing. It appears as though he doesn’t get it.

It wouldn’t matter who is in charge, though, given the simple mathematics at play. The FPTP system is a guaranteed victory for decades to come if you can split the country in two, own the whole of one side and leave the ‘other team’ squabbling and carving up the vote between them. There is absolutely no way past it at present. Labour lost Scotland years ago, and is about to start losing the ‘red belt’ in southern Wales to go along with the wall in the north of England. That isn’t much to do with Starmer IMO; I think he’s failing to stop the rot but I don’t think he caused it. Although you could argue that beyond a certain point, that amounts to the same thing.

Of course, an awful lot of numpties are now pining for you know who, and saying that Labour needs to immediately veer hard and to the left, forgetting that the rot started there. Worst Labour GE defeat in most people’s lifetime and suddenly the solution is to do it all again, while giving the opposition a chance to crow over how chaotic everything is, and how they can’t keep a leader for more than five minutes. Yep. That’ll do it.

This is one of many reasons why I have never subscribed to, or actively been a member of a political party. Most of them are populated by muppets who don’t even understand the country that they’re attempting to govern, and the parties (or party) that do get it are vile, psychotic charlatans who are setting fire to everything while dishing out miniature flags. Such an enticing choice.

Until the so-called left decides to pull together to create a working coalition, to essentially create a two-party system by default, and until someone is wiling to stand up and nail the crooks and conmen to the wall as part of that, everybody might as well go home.

Friday’s, eh? Am I right?!
Spot. On. Until the opposition work with and not against the FPTP system nothing will change.

In the County Council elections, the Lib Dems and Greens have tactical decided not to stand against each other in many wards. But Labour chose not to join the party. I emailed all three before the nominations went in suggesting a united opposition again Tory incumbents, Lib Dems and Greens responded positively but I didn't even get an OOO from Labour.
 
Some really interesting points made.

Agree totally that people don't really care about sleaze. It's what they expect! It's as old as politics itself and is by no means the preserve of the right.

Starmer would do well to highlight it without getting hung up.
 
I seriously wonder why anyone stands to be a local Councillor. With core funding not covering the cost of statutory services (many councils have run deficit budgets for years, living on balances) the role of a Councillor is one of deciding where to cut service. Even when they do stamp their mark on a council, like SODC carrying out the will of the electorate in opposing the Local Plan, central government's jackboot comes into play.
 
I`ll be honest I was expecting more of Starmer, I understand he has been hamstrung by Covid and, pretty much, has to agree with the HMG "in the national interest".
What I find most concerning is his pure lack of ideas and policies or even some snappy tagline. "Vote for us, we aren`t Tories" isn`t working at all.

If you read his tweets it`s "Vote Labour - protect the NHS" ..... hello these are local elections you div!!

Yet again that quiet army of people have got out, placed their cross on the ballot, and given Boris & the Conservatives a round of applause.

Happy days, especially watching the twitterati in meltdown.................. they count votes not tweets. :)
 
Sw*nd*n - Conservative Hold.

I rest my case your honour.
 
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