Rubish pen that was
WWC 19: England V USA 2/7/19
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Foley
Level: Colin Harrington
(260 Apps, 30 Gls)
Lucky penalty in my view but terrible effort.
England sure have had their chances.
England sure have had their chances.
ZeroTheHero
Level: Phil Whitehead
(238 Apps)
Well I don't think it was a pen to start with!
TailsWeWin
Level: Dave Roberts
(176 Apps, 8 Gls)
All over
Marked Ox
Level: Mickey Lewis
(351 Apps, 7 Gls)
That is it I reckon. And with the red card definitely.
Ffs
Marked Ox
Level: Mickey Lewis
(351 Apps, 7 Gls)
The defender took out the shooting foot and plenty of similar type penalties have been given in this WC.
Anyway, typical England team really with glorious failure.
They have pushed the US more this half. If only they could have fashioned more chances ...
I’d have Phil Neville talking with Gareth Southgate over penalties though. Parris and Houghton’s spot kicks have been poor.
I’d have Phil Neville talking with Gareth Southgate over penalties though. Parris and Houghton’s spot kicks have been poor.
Too much sloppy, lazy passing ....& getting sucked in usa way of playing ...and usa are masters at gamesmanship/dark arts, including hoodwinking the ref surrupticiously ....and , England are always s**t on pens ! ... they gave it a real go ....but fell short
Foley
Level: Colin Harrington
(260 Apps, 30 Gls)
Three penalties missed in this tournament.
Much better second half by England. Marginal offside and poor penalty.
A real shame
Much better second half by England. Marginal offside and poor penalty.
A real shame
bicesterox
Level: Chris Maguire
(79 Apps, 22 Gls)
Gutted, but beaten by a fitter team, sloppy passing, 2 headers that Bardsley would probably have saved, but typical England in the end.
Its been good watching this team and hope they get 3rd place, I'll try and find a pub in Glasgow to watch it.
Its been good watching this team and hope they get 3rd place, I'll try and find a pub in Glasgow to watch it.
Why wasnt the usa player sent off when we were given the pen?
Gary Baldi
Level: Paul Moody
(197 Apps, 75 Gls)
Because there were plenty of people postulating that Neville wouldn't understand the women's game, didn't have enough experience, the appointment process was wrong/biased/etc and that he wasn't the right person for the job. The mood music about the appointment was negative.
While I've seen little of this tournament, the feeling I get is England are a better and more rounded team than before, removed from the eccentricities of the last 2 managers and have made a step forward, even if the end result is not different. It's unfortunate they had to play the USA in the Semis, and if they did not, the final was there for them wasn't it?
Marked Ox
Level: Mickey Lewis
(351 Apps, 7 Gls)
Because it was given as a penalty I think and she didn't actually try to take out the England player.
Isnt denying a goal scoring opportunity a direct red any more?
Marked Ox
Level: Mickey Lewis
(351 Apps, 7 Gls)
Not if a penalty is awarded. Although if they just cynically take a player out in the box without trying for the ball then they can still be red carded.
Morris Oxford
Level: Dave Roberts
(176 Apps, 8 Gls)
These incredibly lengthy VAR reviews completely destroy the instant euphoric high (or low) of a marginal goal or penalty decision.
The negatives of VAR far out way the positives in my view. Feel sorry for the fans in the stadium. TV companies appear to love it.
The negatives of VAR far out way the positives in my view. Feel sorry for the fans in the stadium. TV companies appear to love it.
Big Ronaldo
Level: John Aldridge
(141 Apps, 90 Gls)
It all feels so familiar. So depressingly familiar. Football is a cruel sport that brings many more lows than highs.
We all dare to dream of glory but more often than not, it all ends in abject disappointment.
We all dare to dream of glory but more often than not, it all ends in abject disappointment.
Oxford84
Level: Dave Roberts
(176 Apps, 8 Gls)
How about they give offside if over 25%of the players body is offside instead of half a toe making it offside?if they are using VAR.I cant stand it when goals are ruled out by the smallest of margins that no linesman in the world would ever have spotted.Takes away all the excitement of the goal being scored from the most minimal of margins.
Golden Dr Otto
Level: Dave Roberts
(176 Apps, 8 Gls)
I honestly think offside needs to be rewritten to account for the spirit of its intent which was to prevent a striker gaining an unfair advantage over a defender. A centimeter is not that.
I’d suggest clear space between the furthest part back of the striker (eg heel) and furthest part forward of the defender (eg toe)
I’d suggest clear space between the furthest part back of the striker (eg heel) and furthest part forward of the defender (eg toe)
ZeroTheHero
Level: Phil Whitehead
(238 Apps)
You'd just get the same argument in a different form, "You were offside, no goal." "No, I was only 20% offside so it should stand."
Although it would ALSO generate the same debates I think I favour the 'if any part of your body is onside then you are onside' approach - like a batsman being in his crease.
I do agree that VAR sucks much of the immediacy out of the excitement though.
Edit - and I'd also make it the teams responsibility to ask for a VAR replay as in cricket or tennis. Just one per match that you lose if you are wrong and can reuse again if you are right.
Foley
Level: Colin Harrington
(260 Apps, 30 Gls)
I agree that I would change it and any part of the body is onside then it is onside. Encourage the attacker. And if it isnt clear from the first couple of viewings as then give the goal.
Foley
Level: Colin Harrington
(260 Apps, 30 Gls)
Agree but if we are looking at the spirit of the game then the handball in the area needs to be looked at.
There was never the intention that blasting the ball at s defenders hand from a few feet (that could be going well over the crossbar) is a penalty. Intentional and goalscoring opportunity are surely relevant?
day after the night before... reflecting on what has been an excellent world cup finals for the lionesses ( still have the 3rd place consolation playoff - Saturday- to play)... shame they had to play the yankesses in the semi final, England V USA wouldve been a great final..... , in the end it was a shame, that the Lionesses were so near yet so var
Marked Ox
Level: Mickey Lewis
(351 Apps, 7 Gls)
That wouldn't work for offside where VAR isn't available. Assistant Refs have it tough already, this would make it impossible. This could only be done if you had a different offside laws for VAR games and non VAR games.
have to agree. would hope as it’s used more the process will speed up a bit and the ridiculously long wait for decisions will stop. guess any new technology takes time to work properly.
i’ve got no problem with goal line tech. but really not a fan of var
Oxford84
Level: Dave Roberts
(176 Apps, 8 Gls)
Yep,as I said, only in VAR matches could you do a 25% check.The main point is though, that goals get disallowed for offside when basically the whole forward players body is onside apart from the players toe!
