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Ex-Player Thread Will Lankshear

holdsteady said:
Doesn’t matter if he is good enough or worth £10 million it in your view though, Spurs can get that and a bit more if they decide to cash in on him now.

Good for us if he gets his parent club a big fee after a spell with us, going to make them happy to loan us more players.
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A bit of a shame that we wouldn't reep some of said transfer fee, given the time and money we dedicated to training him over such a formative season. Instead, we lost money paying a share of his wages, and possibly a loan fee too.

Just the way the system works. I wonder whether going forwards that's something that clubs will try to include into loan agreements. If the player spent X amount of the season at the club, and played Y number of matches, the club would be due Z% of the hypothetical future transfer fee.
 
Emilio said:
A bit of a shame that we wouldn't reep some of said transfer fee, given the time and money we dedicated to training him over such a formative season. Instead, we lost money paying a share of his wages, and possibly a loan fee too.

Just the way the system works. I wonder whether going forwards that's something that clubs will try to include into loan agreements. If the player spent X amount of the season at the club, and played Y number of matches, the club would be due Z% of the hypothetical future transfer fee.
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TheThe would just loan him to a club who don’t ask for that though. You get a good player for cheap, that’s the benefits of the loan system, the obvious downside is you don’t get anything else so you have to use it but don’t make it the basis for your club, need your own players who will be with you long term or sold for a profit.
 
Sporting are in the running. Seems an odd one for them!

Shame we could have had with option to buy for 2 mill at start of last season
 
holdsteady said:
TheThe would just loan him to a club who don’t ask for that though. You get a good player for cheap, that’s the benefits of the loan system, the obvious downside is you don’t get anything else so you have to use it but don’t make it the basis for your club, need your own players who will be with you long term or sold for a profit.
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That's where the parent club has to decide whether they see it as a worthy investment, loaning the player to a club who have a strong reputation for developing young talent with the knowledge than (let's say) just 5% of a future sale goes to that club.
 
holdsteady said:
TheThe would just loan him to a club who don’t ask for that though. You get a good player for cheap, that’s the benefits of the loan system, the obvious downside is you don’t get anything else so you have to use it but don’t make it the basis for your club, need your own players who will be with you long term or sold for a profit.
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What's Matt Johnson got to do with it?
 
Emilio said:
A bit of a shame that we wouldn't reep some of said transfer fee, given the time and money we dedicated to training him over such a formative season. Instead, we lost money paying a share of his wages, and possibly a loan fee too.

Just the way the system works. I wonder whether going forwards that's something that clubs will try to include into loan agreements. If the player spent X amount of the season at the club, and played Y number of matches, the club would be due Z% of the hypothetical future transfer fee.
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Are you mad? Of course not.
 
maccydee said:
Are you mad? Of course not.
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Why wouldn't the smaller clubs want to push something like this? Even just 1% of a future sale price could be worth it to a top flight club.

You send a player to us, we benefit from his being with us for a season, and the player gains valuable first-year experience. The parent club are getting the better end of the bargain here, as they are not only have we helped develop their young prospect, but they have also (more often than not) received a loan fee, and potentially an increased sale value for that player.

Let's say Lankshear's realistic sale price is £1m, and that we paid Spurs 100k to loan him for the season (I pulled those numbers out of my a**e):

We get Lankshear for a season at the cost £100k for this deal.

Spurs gain our £100k loan fee, plus a rocket in his value of (say) 10x what it was before the loan. They then sell him for £10m. They have essentially gain £9.1m thanks to his loan with us.

Would it have been unreasonable for us to have negotiated some sort of agreement in the loan terms that should the player be sold within let's say a season of his loan with us, we receive a percentage of that? Even just 1% of a 10m sale would at least reimburse us for the cost we paid to develop the player.

Doesn't seem an extortionate amount, given clubs often agree things like 15% sell-on clauses.

Clauses could be included such as this only comes into effect if the player has played over a certain number of minutes for the team, or if they get sold for over a certain price. Definitely not a "mad" idea.
 
That will never happen. The one and only benefit to the smaller club is obviously that you can field a younger player (or more likely multiple players) who is potentially better than anyone you could afford to sign permanently (or why would you do it in the first place?).

If OUFC tried to impose terms such as you suggest, the parent club would simply loan the players elsewhere. The chances of getting all lower league clubs to stick to some sort of agreement along the lines you suggest is vanishingly small.
 
ZeroTheHero said:
If OUFC tried to impose terms such as you suggest, the parent club would simply loan the players elsewhere. The chances of getting all lower league clubs to stick to some sort of agreement along the lines you suggest is vanishingly small.
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That's why I said "clubs" - plural. If it became a thing that lower league clubs all got on board with, then there would be a significant reinvestment from the top flight to the smaller EFL clubs. Spurs can afford to pass a smaller club £100k. For the smaller club £100k could be quite a sizeable investment, if anything just to recuperate the initial loan fee.
 
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Emilio said:
Why wouldn't the smaller clubs want to push something like this? Even just 1% of a future sale price could be worth it to a top flight club.

You send a player to us, we benefit from his being with us for a season, and the player gains valuable first-year experience. The parent club are getting the better end of the bargain here, as they are not only have we helped develop their young prospect, but they have also (more often than not) received a loan fee, and potentially an increased sale value for that player.

Let's say Lankshear's realistic sale price is £1m, and that we paid Spurs 100k to loan him for the season (I pulled those numbers out of my a**e):

We get Lankshear for a season at the cost £100k for this deal.

Spurs gain our £100k loan fee, plus a rocket in his value of (say) 10x what it was before the loan. They then sell him for £10m. They have essentially gain £9.1m thanks to his loan with us.

Would it have been unreasonable for us to have negotiated some sort of agreement in the loan terms that should the player be sold within let's say a season of his loan with us, we receive a percentage of that? Even just 1% of a 10m sale would at least reimburse us for the cost we paid to develop the player.

Doesn't seem an extortionate amount, given clubs often agree things like 15% sell-on clauses.

Clauses could be included such as this only comes into effect if the player has played over a certain number of minutes for the team, or if they get sold for over a certain price. Definitely not a "mad" idea.
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On the other hand, what if we had loaned a player who was valued at 5 Million and the player bombed out, had a complete nightmare. At the end of the season his value dropped to 0.5 Million. Do parent club charge us compensation for the loss of investment in their player?? It has to work both ways.
 
Jason N said:
On the other hand, what if we had loaned a player who was valued at 5 Million and the player bombed out, had a complete nightmare. At the end of the season his value dropped to 0.5 Million. Do parent club charge us compensation for the loss of investment in their player?? It has to work both ways.
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That's why it would be a condition pre-negotiated into the loan. If a player's value decreases so much in just one season on loan, then I'd say that's more down to the player than the club.
 
Saw somewhere that a percentage of any transfer of a under 23 year old. Is split between all clubs that have been involved in their developement.
I maybe wrong, but.
 
Nadi- said:
Saw somewhere that a percentage of any transfer of a under 23 year old. Is split between all clubs that have been involved in their developement.
I maybe wrong, but.
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They have to have been your player though, not a loan.
 
NorthWestOx said:
It already has happended! And to us!
We had to pay a % of a transfer fee to a club we loaned a player to when we sold him.
Can't remember th eplayer though.
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Are you thinking of Fiacre Kelleher? Think we paid his previous permanent club rather than Solihull where he was on loan.
And we didn't receive a fee for him iirc rather we didn't renew his contract or released him so he could go back to Solihull permanently.
 
Wolves, Sporting and Southampton are reported to have all put in bids for Lankshear- all turned down by Spurs.
It looks like he will be playing for a top Championship club next season at hhd least
 
Medical at Boro today it seems.
Fee as much as £14m plus add ons.

Sadly the solidarity payments don't extend to loans, otherwise we would have got a bit of cash.
 
CaptainOx said:
Medical at Boro today it seems.
Fee as much as £14m plus add ons.

Sadly the solidarity payments don't extend to loans, otherwise we would have got a bit of cash.
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I did suggest a couple of months back that it would be good to have even just a 5% future sell-on fee negotiated as part of loan deals, given our contribution to his develop. I got ridiculed for suggesting the idea. An extra £700k wouldn't do us any harm though...
 
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