...about this current off field chaos?
What have OxVox got to say...
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oxford1985
Level: Mateo Corbo
(13 Apps, 8 Yellows, 1 Red)
agreed, OxVox have gone, like the club, very quiet - there was a tweet from Jem last week about "going to put a few things straight" that doesnt seem to have materialized. they had a committee meeting last Friday (i believe) - again nothing has come from that, they are meant to be a supporters trust for the supporters, yet the general ethos from this board and other media is that as of late they have neglected the fans/shown no public signs of getting the answers every single Oxford fan wants/needs.
their work previous to this has been amazing and its a shame all that hard work seems to be tarnished over the last couple weeks.
their work previous to this has been amazing and its a shame all that hard work seems to be tarnished over the last couple weeks.
Scotchegg
Level: James Constable
(280 Apps, 106 Gls)
Asking the questions of DE and Tiger is one thing. Getting them to volunteer answers is another.
Quite frankly, we’re all in the dark which is leading to the ill-feeling around the club. We all want answers, but even the best formulated questions just aren’t generating answers at present. The OM and RadOx haven’t unearthed anything of note lately either.
It doesn’t help that our new chairman spends 24 hours of every week flying from the UK to Thailand either.
Quite frankly, we’re all in the dark which is leading to the ill-feeling around the club. We all want answers, but even the best formulated questions just aren’t generating answers at present. The OM and RadOx haven’t unearthed anything of note lately either.
It doesn’t help that our new chairman spends 24 hours of every week flying from the UK to Thailand either.
Colin B
Level: Dave Roberts
(176 Apps, 8 Gls)
For clarity, there was no OxVox committee meeting last Friday, there never was, so no idea where that came from?
As for the rest, I think you'll find most of the committee are like me, fed up to the back teeth of every single word they post being poured over, twisted, and even deleted by the moderators when certain people complain.
Some might say it comes with the territory, but the twisting of the truth and claims of a personality cult etc etc etc make some people wonder why they bother to give their time up to help some of these people.
Be careful what you wish for..........
As for the rest, I think you'll find most of the committee are like me, fed up to the back teeth of every single word they post being poured over, twisted, and even deleted by the moderators when certain people complain.
Some might say it comes with the territory, but the twisting of the truth and claims of a personality cult etc etc etc make some people wonder why they bother to give their time up to help some of these people.
Be careful what you wish for..........
Scotchegg
Level: James Constable
(280 Apps, 106 Gls)
I have to admit that I thought Jem had mentioned a meeting and repeated that myself - so apologies if I have fueled that rumour.
However, I agree entirely with your post and your frustrations at the rubbish being thrown at OxVox. A few idiots with their own sad agendas are trying to create a division that is simply not there as far as I can see.
Yellowlab
Level: Paul Moody
(197 Apps, 75 Gls)
Yes, there are a few on here, albeit very eloquent, who are certainly not what I would call true supporters of Oxford United. Trouble making stirrers of the highest order more like.
Should they decide to stand for election to fill the (very sadly) forthcoming committee vacancies they certainly won't be getting my votes.
We are rapidly becoming the laughing stock of the EFL. You talk about ‘patience’ Mr Burrett but we have now been without a manager for 50 DAYS.
ZeroTheHero
Level: Les Phillips
(224 Apps, 15 Gls)
Surely that doesn't matter? You have said (a couple of days ago) that the squad is too good to go down, and (repeatedly) told us that talk of relegation was ridiculous. So why not wait until the best possible candidate is available? We will be in L1 next year and can rebuild over the summer with an excellent manager in place...
Gary Baldi
Level: Paul Moody
(197 Apps, 75 Gls)
Hear, hear.
I find at times people forget that volunteers give up their free time to help and always try to do the right thing, even if it doesn't happen or go as intended. My volunteering is a lot simpler than OxVox, but I'm in the position where I'm giving up because it's not become worth the grief anymore - lots of people want to back seat drive, no one wants to get in the front seat. The fact the OxVox committee so far have maintained the careful balance with DE and Tiger, shows they are doing the right job for OUFCs supporters.
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That’s what someone who’s signed a NDA would say.
Think we should all be worried about the sinister and nefarious offshoot of the supporters trust....the oxvox illuminati ....who run to their own twisted agendas, manipulate how OUFC chairmen operate, colluding with, possibly even privately funded by, the stadium landlord to spread suspicion and mistrust amongst ordinary oufc supporters. Be afraid, be really afraid of them.
Of course ^^ that is all made up.....yet some misguided individuals do seem to believe things similar and worse are down to oxvox. Oxvox are OUFC supporters trust, the committee are elected by Oxvox members . Elected oxvox comittee members are all oufc fans and operate voluntarily....they have no more influence over what the OUFC board members,chairman or stadium landlord choose to do than any other OUFC fan. As OUFC supporters trust are recognised as such by OUFC admin, they ,Ox vox, are in their capacity of being the recognised supporters trust are invited to some meetings to represent the interests of Ox vox members,and by default all OUFC fans in general. An opinion on behalf of the supporters trust may be asked for at times, but giving an opinion does not neccessarily equate to whoever is asking the question acting upon it. A thankless task it is too. Those throwing accusatory assumptions around regarding the elected volunteers who are the current Ox vox comittee maybe should consider joining Ox vox themselves, and then stand for election to the Ox vox committee. Then, if elected,by actions they could show everyone how much better they can look after oxvox members and OUFC supporters interests than the current committee.
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Alternatively they could continue to operate from behind the percieved safety of their lonely keyboard spouting misinformation about things they evidently don't know about and hang about on a fan forum , recyling the same tired erroneous "opinions' time and again that are lingering like a stale fart in a pair of unwashed y fronts
Of course ^^ that is all made up.....yet some misguided individuals do seem to believe things similar and worse are down to oxvox. Oxvox are OUFC supporters trust, the committee are elected by Oxvox members . Elected oxvox comittee members are all oufc fans and operate voluntarily....they have no more influence over what the OUFC board members,chairman or stadium landlord choose to do than any other OUFC fan. As OUFC supporters trust are recognised as such by OUFC admin, they ,Ox vox, are in their capacity of being the recognised supporters trust are invited to some meetings to represent the interests of Ox vox members,and by default all OUFC fans in general. An opinion on behalf of the supporters trust may be asked for at times, but giving an opinion does not neccessarily equate to whoever is asking the question acting upon it. A thankless task it is too. Those throwing accusatory assumptions around regarding the elected volunteers who are the current Ox vox comittee maybe should consider joining Ox vox themselves, and then stand for election to the Ox vox committee. Then, if elected,by actions they could show everyone how much better they can look after oxvox members and OUFC supporters interests than the current committee.
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Alternatively they could continue to operate from behind the percieved safety of their lonely keyboard spouting misinformation about things they evidently don't know about and hang about on a fan forum , recyling the same tired erroneous "opinions' time and again that are lingering like a stale fart in a pair of unwashed y fronts
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Surely we don’t need OxVox to update us on the goings on as Charlie, Mark and Myles are more than capable of doing that when they know all the ins and out?
Beckdale16Bicester
Level: Ricardinho
(39 Apps, 3 Gls)
Just had a email from Oxvox updating us of the current position.
oxonian
Level: Billy Beechers
(7 Apps)
Date: 13 March 2018
Dear member
There is obviously significant concern at present regarding these first few weeks of Tiger's tenure at our football club. Much of the concern, understandably, is around the inordinate time it has, and is, taking to appoint a new first team manager.
We are in reasonably regular email and telephone contact with Tiger, although time zones have at times made communication tricky.
Thank you to the many members who’ve been in touch with specific questions. We can assure members that we have been, and continue to be, asking the questions to which so many of us want answers. What we have not done (rightly, or wrongly) is to plaster those questions across the local media, social media, or Yellows Forum.
In terms of key areas to learn more about, the headings we are pushing hard on are:
Ideally, we would wish that all the above to be answered directly by Tiger, but we will communicate to members as and when we have specific (factual) information.
As an update of things we DO know,
At the present time we are NOT party to any detailed financial and/or strategic development plans for the club, but Tiger has committed to share these with us once the immediate priority of a new manager is resolved. We will then of course share the information with members at the earliest opportunity, although we feel sure it will all be (rightly) placed in the public domain for all fans to see.
At this time, we are not aware of any additional board members, shareholders, or investors that are joining Tiger. He has however said that it is likely this WILL happen in the fullness of time.
Let’s all get behind our club at this testing time. Owners, managers, players, they all come and go – but we, the fans, are the constant and we CAN and WILL make a difference to OUR football club!
Thanks for your continued support of OxVox. AGM details will be sent out soon for the meeting scheduled for the 28th April.
Cheers
Jem
Dear member
There is obviously significant concern at present regarding these first few weeks of Tiger's tenure at our football club. Much of the concern, understandably, is around the inordinate time it has, and is, taking to appoint a new first team manager.
We are in reasonably regular email and telephone contact with Tiger, although time zones have at times made communication tricky.
Thank you to the many members who’ve been in touch with specific questions. We can assure members that we have been, and continue to be, asking the questions to which so many of us want answers. What we have not done (rightly, or wrongly) is to plaster those questions across the local media, social media, or Yellows Forum.
In terms of key areas to learn more about, the headings we are pushing hard on are:
- The first team manager position.
- More detail on the structure of the deal with Darryl Eales to acquire the club and the levels of funding in place to (a) sustain and (b) further develop our club.
- Any other associates that Tiger will be bringing in to support him at the club.
- A vison and strategic plan for the club.
- Marketing, communication and fan engagement.
- New sponsors and investment opportunities/plans.
- Plans for the OUFC Women's team, the Training Ground, the Academy and the Community Trust.
- The organisation and management infrastructure at the club – off the field.
- The link (if any) going forward with Oxford City at Court Place Farm.
- Views on stadium and the relationship with Firoz Kassam.
- The date for a fans forum.
Ideally, we would wish that all the above to be answered directly by Tiger, but we will communicate to members as and when we have specific (factual) information.
As an update of things we DO know,
- Tiger HAS committed to a fans forum by the end of March, or at latest the first week in April. This will be an ideal opportunity for fans to ‘meet the man’ and ask direct questions.
- It has been agreed that there will be a meeting between Tiger and Firoz Kassam in the coming weeks. OxVox are likely to be in attendance.
- Tiger is giving increased authority to club officials such as Niall McWilliams and Chris Williams to significantly ‘step on’ the day to day management of the club, as well as the marketing, communication and fan engagement agendas.
- We understand that Tiger DOES have the new manager agreed and it will be announced during next week.
- Tiger has committed to fund the OUFC Women's team for the coming season.
At the present time we are NOT party to any detailed financial and/or strategic development plans for the club, but Tiger has committed to share these with us once the immediate priority of a new manager is resolved. We will then of course share the information with members at the earliest opportunity, although we feel sure it will all be (rightly) placed in the public domain for all fans to see.
At this time, we are not aware of any additional board members, shareholders, or investors that are joining Tiger. He has however said that it is likely this WILL happen in the fullness of time.
Let’s all get behind our club at this testing time. Owners, managers, players, they all come and go – but we, the fans, are the constant and we CAN and WILL make a difference to OUR football club!
Thanks for your continued support of OxVox. AGM details will be sent out soon for the meeting scheduled for the 28th April.
Cheers
Jem
Scotchegg
Level: James Constable
(280 Apps, 106 Gls)
Good update!
I am only a recently joined member of OxVox, thanks for the update, I am very happy with the approach you are taking on my behalf. We cannot expect Tiger to be able to dot every I and cross every T at this stage.
A good statement.
It does prove what I said earlier in this thread though. OxVox can ask the questions but it takes two to tango - Tiger has yet to volunteer answers to the questions.
I just hope we’re all not disappointed when he does provide full answers to those questions.
Cue Charlie acting like a knob on this thread in 3-2-1 ...
It does prove what I said earlier in this thread though. OxVox can ask the questions but it takes two to tango - Tiger has yet to volunteer answers to the questions.
I just hope we’re all not disappointed when he does provide full answers to those questions.
Cue Charlie acting like a knob on this thread in 3-2-1 ...
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Mods I think someone has hacked Myles account [emoji6]
Manorlounger
Level: Les Phillips
(224 Apps, 15 Gls)
Er.We’re too good to go down with a half way decent manager in situ.
That has not been the case though.
For 53 days now.
I assume you’ve noticed this?
I've been mulling this point over for the past couple of days, and I think it's the perceived lack of proactivity which has irked me the most.
It's been over 4 months since OxVox met with Tiger and some of the questions which they are now "pushing hard" on should be really simple ones for an owner to answer - all the stuff around their plans and visions for the club are the sort of Day One items which should be capable of being answered before they even have a foot in the door. If OxVox haven't been able to extract those sort of basic answers, then IMHO this should've been flagged up much earlier.
So, yes, I'm pleased to see confirmation that OxVox are following up on the issues which many on this forum have raised. The issue now is, what is the timescale being set for them to get answers to these questions? Tiger has had four months to put some flesh on the bones, but none appears to have been forthcoming. So, how long does he have?
Manorlounger
Level: Les Phillips
(224 Apps, 15 Gls)
There is a real quandary in all of this, is this a Thai thing? Is Tiger just unused to having his business questioned? Surely with the experience of Reading FC he should know that the fans will want to know his plans? On the other hand, the only sound bites we have had are very similar to those handed out during his tenure at Reading. (some are identical - insert "Oxford" for "Reading") All of which serve only to frustrate.
Encouraging is the (perceived) increase in media activity, the academy plans and training ground movement. Although all of those have yet to come to fruition, there is something which shows a glimmer of planning.
I really hope that OxVox are acting with intent and not just facilitating to curry favour.
Lundinsponytail
Level: Jamie Brooks
(53 Apps, 13 Gls)
To be honest, I am very much for giving Tiger "time" before judging him. He has been found the club in a helluva mess, across all areas, and he cannot be blamed for his predecessor's failings and peccadilloes.
But I am not for giving him time before he is required to answer basic questions that the vast majority of new owners answer proudly on their way into whichever club they are buying. He was (apparently) asked these questions in November, but did not answer them then, did not answer them at his opening press conference and still has not answered them now. These are not complex matters. If he is the real deal then they are one or two line email answers jotted down in 10 minutes in the airport.
On to the role of OxVox. I do not agree with Gary Baldi that they have struck a good balance in their dealings with DE and Tiger. The club is in a far worse state, structurally and performance wise, than it was a year and indeed two years ago. This has happened as a result of a series of decisions that they knew about, and did not question.
Ah. Sorry. That is not quite true. They may have questioned them privately. But not publicly. As a result, the powers that be can simply bully onwards and do what they want, without fear of public reprimand. With big clubs, this role - public questioning of power - is mostly played by the media. But at smaller clubs, with a supine local media monopoly who rely on the club for their lifeblood, it falls to the Trust to hold lightly over the protagonists' heads the threat of a public row. The knowledge that the Trust can/ might do that is what breeds genuine respect. Cowed silence breeds disrespect (hence the disgraceful way that DE hectored OxVox over the stadium situation a year ago).
It is not the role of the Trust to be "close" to the club, but to protect the club's sustainability. If anyone can point out how OxVox's actions have achieved that then I would be grateful.
Finally, a point on the plaintive plea that because they are volunteers who give time to help the club for free then they should be above criticism. I can say, with absolute certainty, that over the last 10 years I have given more time voluntarily to the club than anyone on the OxVox committee. Odd that the committee's protectors do not seem to think that that voluntary service places me - or Myles - above criticism.... Strong organisations are happy to explain and defend their decisions. It is only weak entities that shy like a scalded cat when criticised.
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To be fair it no different to when anyone asks you a question u don’t like. U just go silent and ignore it [emoji6] Yes the questions were asked months ago, but that was also months before he owned the club, so far he has said he will answer all questions once he’s sorted out the manager situation (not unreasonable) and will have a fans forum where everyone not just Oxvox members can ask those questions to his face. Or have a word with him 2moro Charles, u sit 3 rows behind him and will no doubt be enjoying some bangers and mash before the game.
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Well you really are showing your true colours now aren't you Charle's. Very happy to sit there and question OxVox and have digs at them constantly but when asked questions yourself you ignore them don't see the post.
Tiger has come out and outlined the short term plans for the club (get a manager, increase marketing, communication, academy, hold a fans forum). I would make a rough guess that long term plans will be outlined at the fans forum but right now, rightly IMO he is more concerned about getting a new manager in to keep us in league 1.
If you are so worried about tiger, the club, the deal that brought tiger to the club then i'd suggest getting yourself to the fans forum to ask your questions directly to the owner rather than repeatedly post them on this internet forum that has no significance to the running of the club.
Having said that I am pretty sure you won't be attending the fans forum to ask your questions but will continue to make the same point across many different threads.
Tiger has come out and outlined the short term plans for the club (get a manager, increase marketing, communication, academy, hold a fans forum). I would make a rough guess that long term plans will be outlined at the fans forum but right now, rightly IMO he is more concerned about getting a new manager in to keep us in league 1.
If you are so worried about tiger, the club, the deal that brought tiger to the club then i'd suggest getting yourself to the fans forum to ask your questions directly to the owner rather than repeatedly post them on this internet forum that has no significance to the running of the club.
Having said that I am pretty sure you won't be attending the fans forum to ask your questions but will continue to make the same point across many different threads.
T’ai Chi
Level: Ricardinho
(39 Apps, 3 Gls)
We have the AGM sometime in April and we know that Jem and Simon are standing down, therefore there are at least two vacancies to fill. So let’s all look forward to seeing Dave, Myles and Charlie putting their names forward for election. You never know two of those 3 could be the next Chair and Vice Chair of the trust. Come on Dave you have been a great advocate of the trust, I would vote for you as you will give a balanced view.
