ScottishYellow
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My head hurts!
Thanks - that is an explanation. It assumes Tiger is stupid, of course, but he may well be I suppose!Yellowfellow - what these naughty people are suggesting is that Tiger is just a guy who likes football, wanted more involvement after Reading & found a club that he could just about manage to buy. with no great plan. Darryl, once he had decided to sell, wanted the best return he could get so it was in his interests to paint the rosiest picture possible to Tiger (& gloss over the nasty bits)
Of course, you can say "where's the evidence for this? - prove it or shut up"
BUT it's a football forum FFS.
Wild unsubstantiated opinion is what it's all about.
And on that basis, my wild opinion is that this scenario fits the known (so far) facts better than any other.
If Darryl's interests have no longer aligned with OUFC's over the last year, should we be more or less upset/worried about the current situation than we have been over the last period of his reign? Of course very few people think the current situation is brilliant (myself included), but I'd be interested in opinions on this - yours and anyone else's...Yes - though of course, that's quite a big IF - admitted
It means that Tiger is keener on football than financial analysis - strange but not impossible
And it means that Darryl's (no villian) interests diverged from OUFC's in the last year
DE certainly appears to have a genuine interest in OUFC, shares and outstanding £4.2m heading for Ensco apart, as he was at CPF the other night for the Oxford Senior cup semi -final match.I don't think anyone can do that calculation. Mr Eales' interest waned and he's now found the buyer he wanted, but still holds an interest in OUFC. One must assume Tiger has an interest in OUFC or he wouldn't have bought us, but no-one seems to have worked out what that interest is, beyond some vague feeling that 'he likes football'.
I'm not keen on how project Eales panned out and I'm just uncertain about where project Tiger is heading. So difficult to assess how relatively concerned we should be.
PS This is just waffle. It's what we're all restricted to in the absence of facts.
DE certainly appears to have a genuine interest in OUFC, shares and outstanding £4.2m heading for Ensco apart, as he was at CPF the other night for the Oxford Senior cup semi -final match.I don't think anyone can do that calculation. Mr Eales' interest waned and he's now found the buyer he wanted, but still holds an interest in OUFC. One must assume Tiger has an interest in OUFC or he wouldn't have bought us, but no-one seems to have worked out what that interest is, beyond some vague feeling that 'he likes football'.
I'm not keen on how project Eales panned out and I'm just uncertain about where project Tiger is heading. So difficult to assess how relatively concerned we should be.
PS This is just waffle. It's what we're all restricted to in the absence of facts.
he'd've been very disappointed at a missed opportunity then....as the bar had no draught beers on due to the bar having run out of gas for the 'big' City v Utd clashThat was just to check on his bar profits
I hear you. You enjoyed some of Project Eales though I guess? I certainly did and I'm a lot happier now than I was when he first took over! It is uncertain, but at least it gives us something to talk about...I don't think anyone can do that calculation. Mr Eales' interest waned and he's now found the buyer he wanted, but still holds an interest in OUFC. One must assume Tiger has an interest in OUFC or he wouldn't have bought us, but no-one seems to have worked out what that interest is, beyond some vague feeling that 'he likes football'.
I'm not keen on how project Eales panned out and I'm just uncertain about where project Tiger is heading. So difficult to assess how relatively concerned we should be.
PS This is just waffle. It's what we're all restricted to in the absence of facts.
I don't think anyone can do that calculation. Mr Eales' interest waned and he's now found the buyer he wanted, but still holds an interest in OUFC. One must assume Tiger has an interest in OUFC or he wouldn't have bought us, but no-one seems to have worked out what that interest is, beyond some vague feeling that 'he likes football'.
I'm not keen on how project Eales panned out and I'm just uncertain about where project Tiger is heading. So difficult to assess how relatively concerned we should be.
PS This is just waffle. It's what we're all restricted to in the absence of facts.
I don't think anyone can do that calculation. Mr Eales' interest waned and he's now found the buyer he wanted, but still holds an interest in OUFC. One must assume Tiger has an interest in OUFC or he wouldn't have bought us, but no-one seems to have worked out what that interest is, beyond some vague feeling that 'he likes football'.
I'm not keen on how project Eales panned out and I'm just uncertain about where project Tiger is heading. So difficult to assess how relatively concerned we should be.
PS This is just waffle. It's what we're all restricted to in the absence of facts.
If that's the case - and it sounds plausible on the face of it - why are we vilifying Eales?Sums it up well, Pete. DE's plan was to invest 10 million into OUFC and get us to the Championship, where he could sell us for 20 million. This plan was never secret: and Ashton told me that that was how he sold the 'project' to DE.
This time last year - at about 8 million down and with his personal financial circumstances changing - he realised that getting to the Championship was less rather than more likely. He started tightening the purse strings - to MApp's discomfort and displeasure - and started considering how to make the best exit from an unfinished job. Hence the discussion with Sartori and Donald.
At the same time, he was aware of the value of some of the players. This irked him in the negotiations with Sartori, as he felt that he could make more or less what he was being offered by JS/AD simply by flogging our best players.
However, there was a risk in that. Tell Sartori to get lost, take in the cash from stripping the assets and then be landed with still running the club (and losing 150k a month) and not finding a new bidder.
Fortunately (for DE) fate intervened. A week before he was going to sell to Sartori - through slightly gritted teeth, probably - Dave Jones was presenting the annual shindig at the EFL conference in Portugal in June. He was introduced to the Thai fixers who said: 'we can find you more cash than that - 7 million sound good?'
In a bound, DE was free!!! He could spend the summer selling players (4 million in the end) and then conclude the sale to the Thais in September for 7 million. 11 million juicy smackers, having put in 8 million. Not bad for a plan that hadn't quite worked out.
But, oh dear, Tiger then kept on missing deadlines to come up with the cash, and meanwhile DE was losing a chunk of the money made in the summer. Not good!! If this carried on for another few months the genius deal wouldn't have looked so smart.
And so we came to the clever PE style deal, enabling Tiger to buy a club he couldn't at that point quite afford and getting DE out with the deal more or less intact (though delayed) before Oufc's ongoing running losses managed to eat up all of the lovely moolah that came in last summer.
The above is 60 per cent fact, 30 per cent rumour and 10 per cent supposition. But I wager that it'll not be far away from the truth.
Does not say anything about Tiger's motives. Nor about his actual wealth. Nor about whether he has richer fellows lurking in the background. On those we shall wait to see.
Why is that so terrible? Why does that make him “slippery”?
I don't think anyone can do that calculation. Mr Eales' interest waned and he's now found the buyer he wanted, but still holds an interest in OUFC. One must assume Tiger has an interest in OUFC or he wouldn't have bought us, but no-one seems to have worked out what that interest is, beyond some vague feeling that 'he likes football'.
I'm not keen on how project Eales panned out and I'm just uncertain about where project Tiger is heading. So difficult to assess how relatively concerned we should be.
PS This is just waffle. It's what we're all restricted to in the absence of facts.
Sums it up well, Pete. DE's plan was to invest 10 million into OUFC and get us to the Championship, where he could sell us for 20 million. This plan was never secret: and Ashton told me that that was how he sold the 'project' to DE.
This time last year - at about 8 million down and with his personal financial circumstances changing - he realised that getting to the Championship was less rather than more likely. He started tightening the purse strings - to MApp's discomfort and displeasure - and started considering how to make the best exit from an unfinished job. Hence the discussion with Sartori and Donald.
At the same time, he was aware of the value of some of the players. This irked him in the negotiations with Sartori, as he felt that he could make more or less what he was being offered by JS/AD simply by flogging our best players.
However, there was a risk in that. Tell Sartori to get lost, take in the cash from stripping the assets and then be landed with still running the club (and losing 150k a month) and not finding a new bidder.
Fortunately (for DE) fate intervened. A week before he was going to sell to Sartori - through slightly gritted teeth, probably - Dave Jones was presenting the annual shindig at the EFL conference in Portugal in June. He was introduced to the Thai fixers who said: 'we can find you more cash than that - 7 million sound good?'
In a bound, DE was free!!! He could spend the summer selling players (4 million in the end) and then conclude the sale to the Thais in September for 7 million. 11 million juicy smackers, having put in 8 million. Not bad for a plan that hadn't quite worked out.
But, oh dear, Tiger then kept on missing deadlines to come up with the cash, and meanwhile DE was losing a chunk of the money made in the summer. Not good!! If this carried on for another few months the genius deal wouldn't have looked so smart.
And so we came to the clever PE style deal, enabling Tiger to buy a club he couldn't at that point quite afford and getting DE out with the deal more or less intact (though delayed) before Oufc's ongoing running losses managed to eat up all of the lovely moolah that came in last summer.
The above is 60 per cent fact, 30 per cent rumour and 10 per cent supposition. But I wager that it'll not be far away from the truth.
Does not say anything about Tiger's motives. Nor about his actual wealth. Nor about whether he has richer fellows lurking in the background. On those we shall wait to see.
The one thing that I find disappointing in all of this, and I speak from a position of no knowledge on matters other my readings on this forum, is that DE was supposedly acting in the “best interests of the club”. However, looking at it, the Sartori bid looked good for the club, if successfully implemented, but not so good for DE financially. Whilst applauding DE for what he achieved for the club up to last season and also his honesty in saying that he personally did not have the finance to take us further, events over the past 7/8 months have tarnished his image in my view.Sums it up well, Pete. DE's plan was to invest 10 million into OUFC and get us to the Championship, where he could sell us for 20 million. This plan was never secret: and Ashton told me that that was how he sold the 'project' to DE.
This time last year - at about 8 million down and with his personal financial circumstances changing - he realised that getting to the Championship was less rather than more likely. He started tightening the purse strings - to MApp's discomfort and displeasure - and started considering how to make the best exit from an unfinished job. Hence the discussion with Sartori and Donald.
At the same time, he was aware of the value of some of the players. This irked him in the negotiations with Sartori, as he felt that he could make more or less what he was being offered by JS/AD simply by flogging our best players.
However, there was a risk in that. Tell Sartori to get lost, take in the cash from stripping the assets and then be landed with still running the club (and losing 150k a month) and not finding a new bidder.
Fortunately (for DE) fate intervened. A week before he was going to sell to Sartori - through slightly gritted teeth, probably - Dave Jones was presenting the annual shindig at the EFL conference in Portugal in June. He was introduced to the Thai fixers who said: 'we can find you more cash than that - 7 million sound good?'
In a bound, DE was free!!! He could spend the summer selling players (4 million in the end) and then conclude the sale to the Thais in September for 7 million. 11 million juicy smackers, having put in 8 million. Not bad for a plan that hadn't quite worked out.
But, oh dear, Tiger then kept on missing deadlines to come up with the cash, and meanwhile DE was losing a chunk of the money made in the summer. Not good!! If this carried on for another few months the genius deal wouldn't have looked so smart.
And so we came to the clever PE style deal, enabling Tiger to buy a club he couldn't at that point quite afford and getting DE out with the deal more or less intact (though delayed) before Oufc's ongoing running losses managed to eat up all of the lovely moolah that came in last summer.
The above is 60 per cent fact, 30 per cent rumour and 10 per cent supposition. But I wager that it'll not be far away from the truth.
Does not say anything about Tiger's motives. Nor about his actual wealth. Nor about whether he has richer fellows lurking in the background. On those we shall wait to see.