EPL Warnocks ref rant

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Niel Warnock after cardiffs game 'premier league is the best in the world, with the worst referees in the world'
Scathing observation ... wonder what his take on the general (low) quality of match officials in EFL championship, l1 and l2 are? 😕:oops::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Ensuring assistant referees are allowed to assist in all deciscions in games (opposed to the non standard instructions, such as -i only want throw ins and offsides,- & other similarly restrictive pre match requirements from different referees at different games) - also maybe its time that l1 &l2 matchday officials were full time instead of part time?

A couple of changes that i for one would welcome

Match officials have a difficult job to do , but a more standardised approach would i think bring in some welcome and overdue consistency to match officiating?
 

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I have some sympathy for him. I only saw bits the last 10 mins, but Chelsea were gifted two 2 big game changing decisions by the officials, and I can understand where Colin is coming from. Ultimately, it's Mike Riley who is responsible for the mess that we find the officiating group in at the moment.
 

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Just a couple of weeks ago Colin was merrily joking about being on the favourable side of refereeing decisions against Brighton. At least be consistent man.
 

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I’m not a Warnock fan, but do have a lot of sympathy for Cardiff in this case. Watched the highlights on MOTD and some of the decisions the officials made were shocking. That one match could cost them their place in the league and millions. Once again it does show the big teams get away with it.

It not just the Premier league, we all witness the poor quality of refereeing week aftr week.
 

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He will probably be effing reffing is next week and as to whether he makes any howlers no one will give a toss because the don’t look past any game Huddersfield may be involved with.
 

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Should have seen Roger Fitzpatrick award a goal to Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in the sixties. Ball hit the side netting...…….and the goal stood! Match of the day.
 

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I might be in the minority here but I think refs get a lot of unwarranted stick. They make the correct decision the majority of time but unfortunately incorrect decisions can cost games and that's what gets spoken about.

Not talking specifically about Cardiff here, but a lot of managers and fans like to take the easy route and pick faults in refereeing decisions rather than face up to all the mistakes their team have made over the course of a game. Worst of all are the pundits who get 5 slow motion replays from 5 different angles before they decide the ref has made a mistake and the level of criticism never matches the level of praise if refs do get it right. In my opinion, this culture reinforces the belief that it's ok to abuse the ref and at grass roots level it can be very damaging, where games are called off due to shortages of refs or worse still (in rare cases) abandoned due to refs being physically assaulted.

Refs are human and are therefore liable to make human mistakes. If the standard of reffing is to improve, then refs need to be given more help, simple as that.
 

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I might be in the minority here but I think refs get a lot of unwarranted stick. They make the correct decision the majority of time but unfortunately incorrect decisions can cost games and that's what gets spoken about.

Not talking specifically about Cardiff here, but a lot of managers and fans like to take the easy route and pick faults in refereeing decisions rather than face up to all the mistakes their team have made over the course of a game. Worst of all are the pundits who get 5 slow motion replays from 5 different angles before they decide the ref has made a mistake and the level of criticism never matches the level of praise if refs do get it right. In my opinion, this culture reinforces the belief that it's ok to abuse the ref and at grass roots level it can be very damaging, where games are called off due to shortages of refs or worse still (in rare cases) abandoned due to refs being physically assaulted.

Refs are human and are therefore liable to make human mistakes. If the standard of reffing is to improve, then refs need to be given more help, simple as that.
I agree.
And any manager opposed to VAR can't complain at all.
 

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I might be in the minority here but I think refs get a lot of unwarranted stick. They make the correct decision the majority of time but unfortunately incorrect decisions can cost games and that's what gets spoken about.

Not talking specifically about Cardiff here, but a lot of managers and fans like to take the easy route and pick faults in refereeing decisions rather than face up to all the mistakes their team have made over the course of a game. Worst of all are the pundits who get 5 slow motion replays from 5 different angles before they decide the ref has made a mistake and the level of criticism never matches the level of praise if refs do get it right. In my opinion, this culture reinforces the belief that it's ok to abuse the ref and at grass roots level it can be very damaging, where games are called off due to shortages of refs or worse still (in rare cases) abandoned due to refs being physically assaulted.

Refs are human and are therefore liable to make human mistakes. If the standard of reffing is to improve, then refs need to be given more help, simple as that.
Agree with most of that ....but, standardising ,for a more consistant approach, pre match instructions/requirements of referees to thier two assistants , unlike how it currently is allowed to be, with referees permitted to instruct the 2 assistants along the lines of 'I only want throw ins & offsides' , instead the 2 assistant refs would then be able to assist properly?
Additionally to that, making l1 & l2 referees (&assistants) full time instead of part timers as they are currently, would go a way to helping a more consistant approach to officiating and a more consistant and possibly improved standard of officiating IMO ?
 

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i've said it time and time again just let the officals do their job and accept all decisions STOP tv replays they serve no purpose,
 

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Agree with most of that ....but, standardising ,for a more consistant approach, pre match instructions/requirements of referees to thier two assistants , unlike how it currently is allowed to be, with referees permitted to instruct the 2 assistants along the lines of 'I only want throw ins & offsides' , instead the 2 assistant refs would then be able to assist properly?
Additionally to that, making l1 & l2 referees (&assistants) full time instead of part timers as they are currently, would go a way to helping a more consistant approach to officiating and a more consistant and possibly improved standard of officiating IMO ?
how and why? a high percentage of working people are full time and in most cases trained do they not still make errors?
 

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how and why? a high percentage of working people are full time and in most cases trained do they not still make errors?
Prem and championship are full time

My suggestion is in two parts btw....currently referees can instruct their assistant referees what they want them to assist with ....allow assistant referees to properly assist the man in the middle in all aspects of the match, would , IMO, help no end in the consistancy of decisions in english football. For me the absence of anything that resembles consistancy regarding applying fa rules n regs ,certainly in recent times, has needed adressing ... football is a spectator sport , part of the entertainment industry, if a referee misses an infringement of the rules its often said infringement wasnt seen by the referee. Fair enough, we're all human and all subject to human error. However if the referee was unsighted when an incident allegedly took place, but pre match instructed his assistant referees that he only requires throw ins and offside decisions from them, yet an assistant referee was much better positioned for when said alleged breach of fa rules took place, i feel situations such as tose could be adressed easily by standardising referee instructions pre match to their assistant referees. There fore adding more consistancy in deciscions made by match officials than is generally current in english football ?
 

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how and why? a high percentage of working people are full time and in most cases trained do they not still make errors?
Yes, but increased training, standards, guidelines, quality of training all make mistakes less frequent and less serious, regardless of the type of work.

I think two things contribute to the current state - firstly increased scrutiny in all four divisions from blanket TV coverage.

The second is the horrendous physical and vocal abuse that referees receive even (or particularly) at the lowest levels, where refs learn before getting into the pro leagues. This puts a lot of them off before they finish their training and if you have fewer people coming in at the bottom it is inevitable that the overall standard will lower.

My cousin has just retired early from Sunday league level after being hospitalised by a player assault for the third time in five years. He's just had enough.
 
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