International News War Room: Iran v USA

I can understand Israel wanting to stop the big bomb ,not heard much about them attacking the nuclear programs but iam sure they have .We would all love to see the top brass in Iran taken out or depossessed they are Evil but Trump saying its won he's totally lost the plot ,I hope he's right but they have plans .But may even after a few days of the massive bombing he said was coming might start an uprising let's hope so.
 
Trump is saying he's won to cut it short And save face.

Higher oil means....
higher energy costs
Inflation
Displeasure at home after his no foreign wars.
Fuel costs will America soon to be entering the driving season.
Higher food costs
Market destabilisation

So although it's funny as Trump was funded by oil donations and this will benefit them. He is concerned by the increased costs and the grief he will get, remember when he ran for election he was trumpeting how costs had risen under Biden!

Re displeasure at home , his deputy Vance is very unhappy hence he's quiet

Trump has won nothing as the regime is still there just a different face,.and this face is supposed to be more hard line! Trump will say he's killed all the leadership but they'll just be replaced by other faces.

Interesting tho is where this leaves Israel?
 
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Symp59 said:
I can understand Israel wanting to stop the big bomb ,not heard much about them attacking the nuclear programs but iam sure they have .We would all love to see the top brass in Iran taken out or depossessed they are Evil but Trump saying its won he's totally lost the plot ,I hope he's right but they have plans .But may even after a few days of the massive bombing he said was coming might start an uprising let's hope so.
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There has been no proof that Iran has, or is even likely to get, nuclear weapon capability. It's the WMD position of the Iraq war - an excuse, nothing more. Indeed, Iran had already agreed to halt its nuclear energy programme at the negotiations literally hours before Israel and the US started bombing
 
Symp59 said:
I can understand Israel wanting to stop the big bomb ,not heard much about them attacking the nuclear programs but iam sure they have .We would all love to see the top brass in Iran taken out or depossessed they are Evil but Trump saying its won he's totally lost the plot ,I hope he's right but they have plans .But may even after a few days of the massive bombing he said was coming might start an uprising let's hope so.
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The IAEA said they couldn't and wouldn't be In a position to make one for 10 years! Tho the knowledge is there ( it's everywhere) the ability to build one that works, to make it go where you want it, etc is much harder
 
Boris said:
There has been no proof that Iran has, or is even likely to get, nuclear weapon capability. It's the WMD position of the Iraq war - an excuse, nothing more. Indeed, Iran had already agreed to halt its nuclear energy programme at the negotiations literally hours before Israel and the US started bombing
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Trump listened to Netanyahu simples....
With his you'll never get a better chance to change things than now!
 
Essexyellows said:
The other problem is that, as ever, the West seem to think it is as simple as making "them" like "us" with democracy, rights for women etc etc.

Which is the complete antithesis of what "they" actually want thanks to centuries/millennia of fundamentalist religious dogma.

🤷‍♂️
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Absolutely.
 
tonyw said:
But this is the part that makes no sense to me - foreign wars have minimal positive effect on US popular opinion any more. The country is so jaded with long overseas conflicts that cost American lives, tens of billions of dollars and don't actually resolve the underlying regional issues, that the Iran conflict is not going to be much of a vote-winner at all.

What is going to be a vote-loser is inflation and affordability, and the Iran conflict is clearly going to make both worse (oil prices first, everything else to follow).
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He’s overstretched and screwed it up. He thought he could do like the Venezuela coup or the bombing of the nuclear facilities and quickly get out, due to hubris. He’s wrong and this one will be much harder to turn off. (There’s a good Aussie ABC video on YouTube analysing this).
 
Marked Ox said:
You didn't read the links did you?

Socialist worker. Hahahaha

You still haven't explained why he is a traitor other than chuck some emotive words around.
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Er. I think it was a pretty comprehensive list Don’t you?.
Did I leave anything out there?
Probably.

They are not for the working class.
They don’t even like the ‘working!’
Unless it’s for China but Never mind, it’s okay….Marked Ox and QR say they’re doing a great job.
 
Orkney Islands Yellow said:
I do wonder if a missile was fired at mainland UK would the armed forces have the capability to see it and intercept it? Could the emergency alarm be sounded? Do we have long range missiles we could use to retaliate?
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Interesting questions, which I’m not qualified to answer. But here’s an AI answer to the first question:

The UK's armed forces have a robust missile defence system in place. The Royal Air Force (RAF) and the British Army work together to detect and intercept threats.

The UK's air defence network includes:

1. Radar systems. The RAF's radar systems, like the Ballistic Missile Early Warning System (BMEWS) at Fylingdales, can detect incoming missiles.
2. Air defence systems. The UK has a range of air defence systems, including the *PAAMS* (Principal Anti-Air Missile System) on Type 45 destroyers and *Sky Sabre* (Land Ceptor) on land.

If a missile was fired at the UK, the armed forces would likely detect it using these systems. The UK's defence strategy involves:

1. Detection and tracking. Radar systems detect the missile, and tracking data is shared with command centres.
2. Assessment and decision. The threat is assessed, and a decision is made on how to respond.
3. Interception. If interception is deemed necessary, the UK could use:
- PAAMS. To shoot down the missile, typically at a range of up to 100km.
- Sky Sabre. A land-based system with a range of around 25-40km.

The UK also collaborates with NATO and other allies to enhance its defence capabilities.

Given the complexity of missile defence, the UK's armed forces would likely work with international partners to respond to a missile threat.
 
lodeyellow said:
Interesting questions, which I’m not qualified to answer. But here’s an AI answer to the first question:

The UK's armed forces have a robust missile defence system in place. The Royal Air Force (RAF) and the British Army work together to detect and intercept threats.

The UK's air defence network includes:

1. Radar systems. The RAF's radar systems, like the Ballistic Missile Early Warning System (BMEWS) at Fylingdales, can detect incoming missiles.
2. Air defence systems. The UK has a range of air defence systems, including the *PAAMS* (Principal Anti-Air Missile System) on Type 45 destroyers and *Sky Sabre* (Land Ceptor) on land.

If a missile was fired at the UK, the armed forces would likely detect it using these systems. The UK's defence strategy involves:

1. Detection and tracking. Radar systems detect the missile, and tracking data is shared with command centres.
2. Assessment and decision. The threat is assessed, and a decision is made on how to respond.
3. Interception. If interception is deemed necessary, the UK could use:
- PAAMS. To shoot down the missile, typically at a range of up to 100km.
- Sky Sabre. A land-based system with a range of around 25-40km.

The UK also collaborates with NATO and other allies to enhance its defence capabilities.

Given the complexity of missile defence, the UK's armed forces would likely work with international partners to respond to a missile threat.
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It does feel we're reliant on others for our defence. Best keep the diplomacy up. Are Reform capable of that? Believe they want to leave most things.
 
Basham Wonderland said:
When Trump tries to pull out of this, Iran should just be like "we're still sinking anything that passes through the straight of Hormuz". Not sure if Trump is going to have an answer to that one.
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If you raised that point with Trump or Hegseth right now, surely they’d respond that, by the time the US pulls out, Iran’s forces will be so degraded that such an eventuality won’t be possible.
 
Basham Wonderland said:
When Trump tries to pull out of this, Iran should just be like "we're still sinking anything that passes through the straight of Hormuz". Not sure if Trump is going to have an answer to that one.
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It seems the "plan" is to wipe out the Iranian ability to do that by destroying their Navy, their Air Force, their drone factories and their missile capability.
 
Essexyellows said:
It seems the "plan" is to wipe out the Iranian ability to do that by destroying their Navy, their Air Force, their drone factories and their missile capability.
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as the Somali pirates showed, sometimes lo-fi can work too.

Would expect at least some stray US missiles to accidentally destroy some friendlies too.
 
Another day passes as Trump continues to sound like Charlie Sheen.

We just need to do more "winning" apparently
 
Orkney Islands Yellow said:
I do wonder if a missile was fired at mainland UK would the armed forces have the capability to see it and intercept it? Could the emergency alarm be sounded? Do we have long range missiles we could use to retaliate?
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On one of the news channels a very senior retired defence guy said we can’t stop a ballistic missile winging its way to the UK which surprised me somewhat.
Hopefully that’s not the case!
 
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