FA Cup VAR for or against?
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It would be OK ..
If those in the ground (the actual supporters who pay their money and turn up) knew what was happening, and it was explained why (via the big screens they all have) the decision was made as it was...
.. and If they came to a conclusion a LOT quicker.
As it is, it is sucking the drama out of goals when everyone stands around for the best part of five minutes after they think they have scored.
If those in the ground (the actual supporters who pay their money and turn up) knew what was happening, and it was explained why (via the big screens they all have) the decision was made as it was...
.. and If they came to a conclusion a LOT quicker.
As it is, it is sucking the drama out of goals when everyone stands around for the best part of five minutes after they think they have scored.
The decisions were correct which is what fans want but my feeling is if you've got VAR then assistants should never flag offside. If they don't flag and a goal is scored then it will be ruled out but if they flag incorrectly when a striker is through 1 on 1 with the keeper there's no recourse if the ref stops the game.
I think it;s harsh to say lack of trust in officials - everyone makes mistakes in a high tempo environment. I think officials try their best regardless of ability. However in football there are very few "Black & White" decisions. Fouls, including penalties are subjective - put it on a video screen and half the crowd will agree and the other half disagree - that's human nature when supporting and are biased to your team.. IMO VAR should only be used to decide if a goal scored is legitimate. Like a dismissal in cricket if there's no reason to overturn the decision - it stands. Any doubt remains as On Field Referees call.
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Even though VAR seems to be getting decisions correct, my impression is that people are mostly unhappy with the delays and confusion it causes. I heard from someone who attended a VAR match and they said it was a rubbish experience being in the ground and not knowing what's going on.
Clearly the protocols can improve, but I hope there's a willingness at the end of the trial to consider dropping the idea for a while, and take time to address the concerns raised.
As a side note, the NFL introduced wireless microphones as long ago as 1975 to address the problem of spectator confusion, and whilst it sounds inconceivable (and possibly heresy) to suggest using it in footy, over the years their match officials have become increasingly comfortable and skilled with it. Although the idea sounds horrific, I'm not sure how else spectators can be kept informed. The notion of installing giant screens into every ground and even showing the VAR's footage sounds equally beset with problems and implications.
Clearly the protocols can improve, but I hope there's a willingness at the end of the trial to consider dropping the idea for a while, and take time to address the concerns raised.
As a side note, the NFL introduced wireless microphones as long ago as 1975 to address the problem of spectator confusion, and whilst it sounds inconceivable (and possibly heresy) to suggest using it in footy, over the years their match officials have become increasingly comfortable and skilled with it. Although the idea sounds horrific, I'm not sure how else spectators can be kept informed. The notion of installing giant screens into every ground and even showing the VAR's footage sounds equally beset with problems and implications.
The only real BIG decision is goal or no goal. Penalties can be missed as was proven tonight. Use VAR to check for offside and if the team captain challenges but don't use it for every decision. Sterilises the game and we have nothing to talk about in the pub. Robbie Savage will be screwed if he can't slag off the ref..
I'm against it but could accept each team having one challenge per match.
Another problem with VAR for me is it will separate the game even further. The top leagues will have it but lower levels won't, so the interpretation of laws will be based on VAR football (as that will get the most coverage) which will influence non VAR football and how laws are written long term.
This will also give big teams a further advantage in cup games where VAR is used over time once they get used to it whereas lower league players won't, apart from the odd occasion maybe, have any experience.
Another problem with VAR for me is it will separate the game even further. The top leagues will have it but lower levels won't, so the interpretation of laws will be based on VAR football (as that will get the most coverage) which will influence non VAR football and how laws are written long term.
This will also give big teams a further advantage in cup games where VAR is used over time once they get used to it whereas lower league players won't, apart from the odd occasion maybe, have any experience.
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The stop start element of VAR is just not suitable for the game of football.
Sports where there are natural breaks in play such a short cricket and tennis are where it works best. I’m not a particular fan of rugby (so don’t really care!) but it’s made rugby a less exciting game, constantly breaking up play.
Goal line technology I can live with but overall let’s keep the human element of officials making mistakes and letting the game flow.
Seems to me that fans who make the effort, financial sacrifices and actually attend games are being taken for granted (as usual by the governing bodies) Stop ruining the game we love just to appease the premier league clubs, money men and sky sports armchair fans.
Sports where there are natural breaks in play such a short cricket and tennis are where it works best. I’m not a particular fan of rugby (so don’t really care!) but it’s made rugby a less exciting game, constantly breaking up play.
Goal line technology I can live with but overall let’s keep the human element of officials making mistakes and letting the game flow.
Seems to me that fans who make the effort, financial sacrifices and actually attend games are being taken for granted (as usual by the governing bodies) Stop ruining the game we love just to appease the premier league clubs, money men and sky sports armchair fans.
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Playing devil's advocate on the notion of challenges...
In tennis and cricket, where challenges are used, the players can use their skill and judgement to decide whether a challenge is warranted.
Football is very different. (1) Offside decisions are incredibly hard to judge and get right. Teams would often just be guessing when they made their challenge. (2) Fouls are subjective unlike the objectiveness of hawkeye, snickometer etc. So you would have the frequent situation where a team uses up their challenges incorrectly, then we all see later in the game when they have been harshly treated but can then do nothing about it.
The current VAR concept is to cut out obvious mistakes, and last night we saw that happen twice. The challenge method would not achieve this goal.
In tennis and cricket, where challenges are used, the players can use their skill and judgement to decide whether a challenge is warranted.
Football is very different. (1) Offside decisions are incredibly hard to judge and get right. Teams would often just be guessing when they made their challenge. (2) Fouls are subjective unlike the objectiveness of hawkeye, snickometer etc. So you would have the frequent situation where a team uses up their challenges incorrectly, then we all see later in the game when they have been harshly treated but can then do nothing about it.
The current VAR concept is to cut out obvious mistakes, and last night we saw that happen twice. The challenge method would not achieve this goal.
Firstly if it is to be implemented then should be across the board not just prem clubs...
Alan Pardew could still be seen shaking his head and afterwards still insisted dawsons header should have stood
i know i am likely in minority but i believe let the officials do their job, didn't let players get away with constant abuse and circling them venting anger and STOP tv replays and accept the officials decision is final..
Alan Pardew could still be seen shaking his head and afterwards still insisted dawsons header should have stood
i know i am likely in minority but i believe let the officials do their job, didn't let players get away with constant abuse and circling them venting anger and STOP tv replays and accept the officials decision is final..