Uncle Firoz

NottsYellow

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I see the 10th Anniversary dinner is being held at the Stadium and in Tiger's programme notes …. "The Stadium has never looking better than it did on Wednesday, - a word for Michael Doyle and the Firoka team for their help".
It appears relations are improving with Mr Kassam. (I wonder what he is up to or is he after something?)
 
NottsYellow said:
I see the 10th Anniversary dinner is being held at the Stadium and in Tiger's programme notes …. "The Stadium has never looking better than it did on Wednesday, - a word for Michael Doyle and the Firoka team for their help".
It appears relations are improving with Mr Kassam. (I wonder what he is up to or is he after something?)
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He wants us to stay at the stadium and sign a new lease otherwise he will be stuck with an empty stadium that will takes years to get permission to knock down and build on. He will have the exact same issue as the dog track owners have.
 
OX14 said:
He wants us to stay at the stadium and sign a new lease otherwise he will be stuck with an empty stadium that will takes years to get permission to knock down and build on. He will have the exact same issue as the dog track owners have.
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If we get a new stadium, I doubt it'll take years to get planning permission for new houses as I would assume the legal protections would migrate to the new stadium and that space (Ground, East Stand Car Park and Overflow Car Park*) would be very welcome development land for Oxford.

*Whether the rest would go if similar facilities were built as part of any new stadium development I don't know.
 
Marked Ox said:
If we get a new stadium, I doubt it'll take years to get planning permission for new houses as I would assume the legal protections would migrate to the new stadium and that space (Ground, East Stand Car Park and Overflow Car Park*) would be very welcome development land for Oxford.

*Whether the rest would go if similar facilities were built as part of any new stadium development I don't know.
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Would have to change the use of land as resedential not leisure which could be a stumbling block as there is a reason why that land was never built on when Greater leys was built. 5 years time when the lease runs out there might not be the need for extra housing with brexit and other developments around the county. He could end up with an abandoned leisure park once all the other businesses move over to are new stadium complex.
 
OX14 said:
Would have to change the use of land as resedential not leisure which could be a stumbling block as there is a reason why that land was never built on when Greater leys was built. 5 years time when the lease runs out there might not be the need for extra housing with brexit and other developments around the county. He could end up with an abandoned leisure park once all the other businesses move over to are new stadium complex.
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I expect there will be no problem in him getting a change of use if we have a new stadium to go to. There will always be a reason to build in Oxford, at the least student housing.
 
Marked Ox said:
I expect there will be no problem in him getting a change of use if we have a new stadium to go to. There will always be a reason to build in Oxford, at the least student housing.
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Maybe he wants to join the bandwagon and join the alliance with tiger and take us on a journey. I wouldn't bet against it, he can see the pounds signs again if we were to get promoted to the championship and stay there the club with the ground could be worth a hell of alot more. Imagine if we got to the Premier league how much would we be worth then if they sold us. ? I expect an announcement that kassam has joined the board in the new year.
 
OX14 said:
Maybe he wants to join the bandwagon and join the alliance with tiger and take us on a journey. I wouldn't bet against it, he can see the pounds signs again if we were to get promoted to the championship and stay there the club with the ground could be worth a hell of alot more. Imagine if we got to the Premier league how much would we be worth then if they sold us. ? I expect an announcement that kassam has joined the board in the new year.
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Nothing that happens in the ownership of football clubs surprises me anymore.
 
LondonRoader said:
We are his tenants, the club have to try and keep a cordial relationship going, as fans we can think what we like but the club have to be professional.
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Of course. But keeping a cordial relationship with him and letting him get involved with the club as anything more than a landlord are two very different things!
 
ZeroTheHero said:
Of course. But keeping a cordial relationship with him and letting him get involved with the club as anything more than a landlord are two very different things!
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With seemingly thawing relationships between OUFC and the breeze block landlord who knows, perhaps, only perhaps theres a possibility of a decent wifi signal being provided /boosted at the breeze block on matchdays? ....if the club were to oversee it (a decent wifi) theres the bonus of more email addresses to add to the marketing database....3x 10k+ crowds an oppertunity on that score has been missed ? ... after all its often one person who buys tickets for a group of occasionals, with a club run decent wifi service /signal onhome matchdays, instead of one added to the club database(via ticket sales) , theres the likelihood of others too?
 
LondonRoader said:
Well you never know what might happen.
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I think we can be fairly certain that Firoz will never be involved in the club as anything other than an inconvenient landlord. There is no harm in building relationships with him to benefit the day to day running of the club, but it will never go beyond that.

The club is not sustainable in the long term without owning and profiting from it's own home. That either means purchasing the Kassam at exceptionally favourable terms, which we know won't happen, or building our new home. So the latter is most likely and will mean that once and for all we will sever all ties with Kassam. The thought of anything else is just too depressing to consider right now!
 
an investment north of what 25-30 million will take some time to recover and it doesn't stop there as would the playing side still be taken care of?...what happens if the investors having secured their income through the surrounding outlets walk away?
Don't think the income from the stadium facilities amounts to much for uncle f does it?
i don't think we can get too carried away until any proposals are known and i do wonder if there would be such a clamour for a move but for the current landlord.
 
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horseman said:
an investment north of what 25-30 million will take some time to recover and it doesn't stop there as would the playing side still be taken care of?...what happens if the investors having secured their income through the surrounding outlets walk away?
Don't think the income from the stadium facilities amounts to much for uncle f does it?
i don't think we can get too carried away until any proposals are known and i do wonder if there would be such a clamour for a move but for the current landlord.
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This is exactly what I've heard that kassam doesn't actually earn that much from us playing at the kassam as he still has all the costs with maintenance etc. What I've heard is there could be a lease on the cards where the club have full control, don't pay a rent but have to pay for the upkeep. The same as the training ground lease. The only thing would be kassam owns the stadium and if we added to it like a 4th stand we would ultimately be adding value to his asset.
 
Scotchegg said:
I think we can be fairly certain that Firoz will never be involved in the club as anything other than an inconvenient landlord. There is no harm in building relationships with him to benefit the day to day running of the club, but it will never go beyond that.

The club is not sustainable in the long term without owning and profiting from it's own home. That either means purchasing the Kassam at exceptionally favourable terms, which we know won't happen, or building our new home. So the latter is most likely and will mean that once and for all we will sever all ties with Kassam. The thought of anything else is just too depressing to consider right now!
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OK everyone has an opinion.
 
There is a more obvious play which is the club take a stake of the stadco as it is, opening up various avenues, but I suspect Fizza won't want that. All or nothing.
 
Gary Baldi said:
There is a more obvious play which is the club take a stake of the stadco as it is, opening up various avenues, but I suspect Fizza won't want that. All or nothing.
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I think it's more along the lines of I still own it, you run all of it including the conference centre, car park etc. Ultimately this would be better for us as we can generate income, catering ,use of the conference centre. Use of the carpark. If there is no rent on this its even better. This explains the sudden swerve from the board about a new stadium at the latest fans forum.
 
OX14 said:
I think it's more along the lines of I still own it, you run all of it including the conference centre, car park etc. Ultimately this would be better for us as we can generate income, catering ,use of the conference centre. Use of the carpark. If there is no rent on this its even better. This explains the sudden swerve from the board about a new stadium at the latest fans forum.
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I didn't see it as a swerve by the board, it seemed to me they stated what was happening at the moment, not a lot.
But the board are not going to be the investors in any future project, the big hitters so to speak are the people in the background who just pop their heads up now and again, not the same people who are doing excellent work managing the day to day running of the club.
 
LondonRoader said:
I didn't see it as a swerve by the board, it seemed to me they stated what was happening at the moment, not a lot.
But the board are not going to be the investors in any future project, the big hitters so to speak are the people in the background who just pop their heads up now and again, not the same people who are doing excellent work managing the day to day running of the club.
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Are these "investors" not on the board?
 
Yes people like The Builder - Horst Geicke. He’s not going to be a director of OUfC or Reading FC properties for no reason.
 
MarkG said:
Yes people like The Builder - Horst Geicke. He’s not going to be a director of OUfC or Reading FC properties for no reason.
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I have said more than once on this forum Horst Giecke is here for the build and £ it brings. Probably known Tiger for a good while.
 
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