- Year of First Game
- 1998
| Tyler Goodrham  Signed: Youth Team Graduate   |
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Current Player Thread Tyler Goodrham
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Excellent assist today. Well done Tyler.
Was s**t as a winger, canโt play there at this level but much better when he went central. Either play him in the hole or not at all.
Foley
Level: Colin Harrington
(260 Apps, 30 Gls)
Not sure why people seem to want to pigeon players so much.
He did incredibly well wide last season and at times early this season.
He can play i different positions which us a good thing.
Foley
Level: Colin Harrington
(260 Apps, 30 Gls)
Tyler seems to be coming back a little into form.
Great play before the goal (winning the free kick)
Also he seems to have his energy back ( a number of long runs trying to close down the keeper, defenders)
Hopefully he kicks on from here. A goal on Saturday would be timely!
Great play before the goal (winning the free kick)
Also he seems to have his energy back ( a number of long runs trying to close down the keeper, defenders)
Hopefully he kicks on from here. A goal on Saturday would be timely!
SSO
Level: Chris Maguire
(79 Apps, 22 Gls)
He tries things others wonโt. Running at defenders was needed yesterday at 0-1 because we looked awful. Still think he needs to be in an all out attacking team to see him at his best. When he is on form anything can happen because he has those skills.
Can't fault his effort yesterday, put a real shift in. Like the rest, his quality on the ball though was again poor, bar the very odd good bit like winning the free kick.
I think he has to play the last two games though.
When noone is offering you quality (and noone is at the moment), you've got to go with the players that are offering the most energy. And that's Tyler at the minute.
Manorlounger
Level: Phil Whitehead
(238 Apps)
I can't help think that the red card at Exeter really upset Tyler. He has responded to that decision by becoming far more hands on and takes a lot more chances with his tackling. His confidence has clearly been knocked and his frustration is becoming a risk. He needs a game where he plays well and either scores or provides a couple of assists. That may not be this season though, too much rests on these last two games.
38yearsofpain
Level: Callum O'Dowda
(106 Apps, 14 Gls)
I thought yesterday, his performance improved considerably when playing centrally. Not sure he really works as a winger or a wing back. He always seams more comfortable and impacts the game more playing centrally, although I accept he scored a couple of excellent goals cutting in from right wing. But teams now realise he cannot really go down the line and so prevent the room to cut inside. Centrally he can go either way and he becomes much more difficult to close down.
I accept all the issues of confidence and change of circumstances but not playing in his best position does not help him either.
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Old Man
Level: Ricardinho
(39 Apps, 3 Gls)
Iโm fed up people suggesting on here that Tylerโs sending off has affected his game ability! Itโs about time he stood up as a man not a Kid , thatโs meant in the nicest possible way ! Pull ya finger out boy and give the display of your life against Sunderland which I know you have it in you to do !!
He was good yesterday, I thought. Was bright on the turn and tried to be brave when given the ball. Won the free kick with a good bit of skill and easily our best crosser from a set play.
Still off his best but in our desperate search for quality on the ball I think leaving him out does us much more harm than good. Heโs got a moment in him and thatโs significantly useful to us right now.
Still off his best but in our desperate search for quality on the ball I think leaving him out does us much more harm than good. Heโs got a moment in him and thatโs significantly useful to us right now.
Not very good in the first half yesterday, better in the second but still significant room for improvement. Agree with the sentiment that he starts against Sunderland.
This reads like a telling-off from a 1950s schoolmaster.
I think at Championship level, to be an effective winger, you generally need to have some kind of pace and power. Look at Malcolm Ebiowei - all the trickery in the world, but never looked anything like Championship level because he couldnโt burst past people, couldnโt power into the box. Obviously there are exceptions - if youโre incredibly talented in other areas you might get by without it - but as a general rule, Placheta is a more effective winger than (current day) Phillips or Ebiowei simply because heโs so much quicker.
For the same reasons, Goodrham seems to really struggle on the wing because once the fullback realises he isnโt going to burst outside him, and that all he can do is cut inside, it becomes very easy to defend against him. Heโs been almost astonishingly ineffective out on that left wing at times recently.
But as soon as he came inside against Cardiff, he was literally immediately a totally different animal. Suddenly, their defence/midfield didnโt know if he was going to go left or right, and he could find little pockets of space centrally and beat a man with a shimmy and then play the pass or dribble. In just a short time he nearly set up a couple of chances, just overhitting his passes, and won the free kick that we scored from (and got the player booked) with a nice bit of skill. He looked like a completely different player there.
Some people hate the idea of suggesting that players might have a best or preferred position, but just like you wouldnโt play Placheta centrally behind the striker, you shouldnโt be playing Goodrham out wide (at this level - he can do it lower down, in the same way that Patrick Viera or Steven Gerrard could have been top centre backs in the Championship but you wouldnโt say itโs their best position). You just donโt need the same pace to play centrally, because your options arenโt just knock it and run or cut inside, you can use your step to beat a man either way and then open up the pitch. Footballing history is littered with great number 10s/AMCs/โhole playersโ (whatever you want to call them) who were never the quickest, would never have worked as wingers, but were excellent in that withdrawn central attacking role.
I predict that if Goodrham gets a run centrally behind the striker in a Championship team which arenโt getting beaten every week he could return to the player we once thought he could be.
For the same reasons, Goodrham seems to really struggle on the wing because once the fullback realises he isnโt going to burst outside him, and that all he can do is cut inside, it becomes very easy to defend against him. Heโs been almost astonishingly ineffective out on that left wing at times recently.
But as soon as he came inside against Cardiff, he was literally immediately a totally different animal. Suddenly, their defence/midfield didnโt know if he was going to go left or right, and he could find little pockets of space centrally and beat a man with a shimmy and then play the pass or dribble. In just a short time he nearly set up a couple of chances, just overhitting his passes, and won the free kick that we scored from (and got the player booked) with a nice bit of skill. He looked like a completely different player there.
Some people hate the idea of suggesting that players might have a best or preferred position, but just like you wouldnโt play Placheta centrally behind the striker, you shouldnโt be playing Goodrham out wide (at this level - he can do it lower down, in the same way that Patrick Viera or Steven Gerrard could have been top centre backs in the Championship but you wouldnโt say itโs their best position). You just donโt need the same pace to play centrally, because your options arenโt just knock it and run or cut inside, you can use your step to beat a man either way and then open up the pitch. Footballing history is littered with great number 10s/AMCs/โhole playersโ (whatever you want to call them) who were never the quickest, would never have worked as wingers, but were excellent in that withdrawn central attacking role.
I predict that if Goodrham gets a run centrally behind the striker in a Championship team which arenโt getting beaten every week he could return to the player we once thought he could be.
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Old Man
Level: Ricardinho
(39 Apps, 3 Gls)
Exactly what a boy needs who wants to man up !
Least he can beat a man and mostly hold onto the ball. Unlike placheta. I agree he should be used in midfield role. Hopefully we can stay up and get a more balanced squad next season. Get some wingers that can put the ball into the box. Overlapping wingbacks would be nice Kioso is good at this just needs somebody ahead of him with good understanding.
Oufcrealist
Level: Yemi Odubade
(158 Apps, 31 Gls)
I have said on here and elsewhere that Tyler's best position will be behind the striker, it's been obvious for the last couple of seasons.
I think KR and LM both mentioned it in interviews in the past as well.
If he can't cut inside for a shot from the wing he's pretty much ineffective.
Personally, and I hope he proves me wrong on this, I think his best role will be in midfield where he finished last season, but I can't see him having the physicality to do it at this level, certainly not above where we currently are. Hope he proves me wrong and he has some talent but I struggle to see him not eventually returning to league one, the pace/power is not there for me and while he has some skill its not enough to bridge the gap. Hope he leaves me looking foolish though.
I'm not saying he's of the same standard yet, but he's the same sort of size as Barry Bannan who has had a very good championship career, so there is a chance.
Who plays deeper, different type of player but I see your point, hopefully he can find a role that suits him at this level, pretty certain it wonโt be as a winger though.
Although if he could make me look foolish with a Beauchamp like display on Saturday I will be very happy.
I actually wonder if Joey would have been a winger himself if he'd grown up in the modern era.
He was quick at the start of his career, certainly, but never lightning fast. And he was certainly tough but by no means a bulldozer and he wasn't huge.
I think there's a chance that he would've ended up as a roving #10 type today, popping up all over the place creating goals and chances......
- Year of First Game
- 1980
It was all ball control and changes of direction with Joey - look back over his goals and notice how many of them involve Joey putting a defender (or two) on their arses with a feint and body swerve.
He could go either side of a full back though with ease though, thatโs still pretty rare and had real quality when he went either inside to shoot or outside to cross.
He would have been fine on the attacking side, but I will give you that the tracking back and helping his full back constantly wouldnโt be his cup of tea, he probably would have preferred playing in the hole at number 10 for the freedom it would give him.
Had enough strength and pace combined with his quality that once he beat a full back that they were not catching him up and out muscling him as well, not unless he fancied letting you try it to leave you on your a**e again.
Happy memories of him tormenting full backs at the Manor, he really was an artist and that place was his canvas.
Scotchegg
Level: James Constable
(280 Apps, 106 Gls)
I see Tyler being similar in stature to Szmodics and could see him developing into a more central attacking player.
Tyler is already playing at a higher level that Szmodics was at this stage of his career, and I think has played more games too. No guarantees, but plenty of potential.
Foley
Level: Colin Harrington
(260 Apps, 30 Gls)
Looks back to his best.
Really good performance .
And the nonsense that he can't play wide....
Really good performance .
And the nonsense that he can't play wide....
