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Oh yeah, thanks! Forgot about them.Centre back, striker!
Oh yeah, thanks! Forgot about them.Centre back, striker!
I’ve seen many times on here, when people say ‘we need a striker and a centre back’, multiple people pop up and say ‘ummm, and a right back!’
Then, when we seem about to sign said right back, people moan about it ?
Hello, serious question. I'm asking you because you're not a swivel-eyed loon like oxford84 nor are you the Positive Fairy. You're an old time poster who generally makes good sense.
Please tell me why (you think) it isn't the same since last summer, or why you believe the outcome will be better. I can't see it.
He’s a right winger/right sided midfielder, who can also play at right back. That’s not the specialist RB that we need, it’s another midfielder who will be asked to do a job at RB.I’ve seen many times on here, when people say ‘we need a striker and a centre back’, multiple people pop up and say ‘ummm, and a right back!’
Then, when we seem about to sign said right back, people moan about it ?
Most of this league would of had 75% of there businesses done before the season started (apart from the likes of Bolton & Bury) by the look of things look at Blackpool, Coventry, Gillingham, Shrewsbury have had no problems bringing in good players add Fleetwood Portsmouth & Peterborough who are a little different as they’ve got money behind them
KR said he needed 8 players at the beginning 2 signed so far in Fosu + Gorrin (very happy with them signing) but now looks like the 6 remaining has been cut to 4 still leaving us only 33% business done before the season kicks off & with 3 real hard games in Sunderland, Peterborough, Blackpool I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re still on 0 points still waiting on them targets we are hoping to bring in during that that period have decided against coming here in the end yet again
No dressing this up to go into a season relying on Mousinho who is a total liability at centre back always making an error there &34/35 year old striker (the only one striker we’ve got) who hasn’t even played a pre season game yet is an absolute joke
Excellent post. Fully agree with all of that.Last summer it wasn’t the inactivity which proved disastrous, it was the horrendous recruitment itself. We broke the bank to sign Samir Carruthers and Ricky Holmes, two mates of Karl’s. We broke the bank to sign Jamie Hanson on a long term deal, a player who had been on the club’s radar long before even Pep turned up and turned out to be not very good.
There was no strategy, no synergy and no concept of value.
It is nothing short of a shambles that our squad is as thin as it is now, but I’m happy that we seem to have learnt some lessons and aren’t bending over to every agent request.
The irony is that the people bemoaning the repeat of last season are the ones asking the club the ‘spend’ and make the same mistakes again.
I have heard enough from people at the club that there is no sinister dealings here and that money will be invested in the playing staff.
Fans will continue to panic, but so long as the decision makers at the club don’t then that’s already 1-0 to this summer over last.
Foil hats on...
What if Thohir used his connections in the USA to persuade Columbus to get Cadden for free, before they loan him to us for 6 months with an option to buy. In January, we pay them 100k, he joins permanently and everyone's happy (apart from Motherwell)
Is he joining them on a free? Why not come to us on a free?Foil hats on...
What if Thohir used his connections in the USA to persuade Columbus to get Cadden for free, before they loan him to us for 6 months with an option to buy. In January, we pay them 100k, he joins permanently and everyone's happy (apart from Motherwell)
Last summer it wasn’t the inactivity which proved disastrous, it was the horrendous recruitment itself. We broke the bank to sign Samir Carruthers and Ricky Holmes, two mates of Karl’s. We broke the bank to sign Jamie Hanson on a long term deal, a player who had been on the club’s radar long before even Pep turned up and turned out to be not very good.
There was no strategy, no synergy and no concept of value.
It is nothing short of a shambles that our squad is as thin as it is now, but I’m happy that we seem to have learnt some lessons and aren’t bending over to every agent request.
The irony is that the people bemoaning the repeat of last season are the ones asking the club the ‘spend’ and make the same mistakes again.
I have heard enough from people at the club that there is no sinister dealings here and that money will be invested in the playing staff.
Fans will continue to panic, but so long as the decision makers at the club don’t then that’s already 1-0 to this summer over last.
I would just like to add however, as I said in a previous post, I’m just going by the limited, rumoured information that’s been doing the rounds since news of this impending deal broke, but if it turns out that he signs on a season long loan, and consistently performs well, whichever position he plays in, then I’ll be the first to hold my hands up and admit I wrong.He’s a right winger/right sided midfielder, who can also play at right back. That’s not the specialist RB that we need, it’s another midfielder who will be asked to do a job at RB.
Not only that, but by the looks of things, it’s also someone who doesn’t even want to really be here, which is why he chose to join an MLS club instead, and is simply just using us to stay match fit until he can go to the club he really wants to play for.
So please forgive those of us who are somewhat unsatisfied with this embarrassing deal.
We have to pay compensation. Columbus, for some stupid reason regarding an incorrect training facility categorisation, don't have to. So he'd be a free transfer to them, but not to us.Is he joining them on a free? Why not come to us on a free?
Bit harsh on Carruthers - he looked our best player in pre season, but was unlucky to get that bad injury, was never the same player after that. If he and Holmes had managed to stay fit (ok maybe we should have seen Holmes problems coming, but we took a gamble on him, and Carruthers was a freak accident) then they would have done well for us, as they had the ability
Hmmmm. A perfectly calm, reasoned, balanced and well-articulated post, based on personal experience and first hand knowledge of the matter at hand.Morning, Motherwell fan here. I think the last time I posted on the old site around the time you signed Marvin Johnson off us but I've kept an eye on this thread recently since your manager seems keen to take all our waifs and strays. Hello again.
Apologies in advance for the length of the post:
On Cadden, he's someone who 100% needs a change of scene and apart from a general saltiness about seeming like we're being shafted out of €300k we should be due, which is entirely Tory patter (€600k if he ends up at Sunderland as part of the more extreme conspiracies I've seen here) he's a well liked player but one who has largely been eclipsed by younger, better Academy players recently.
When he broke into the side he was (and potentially still is) a dynamic right sided midfielder. When he first started getting hype he was playing as part of a weird 442/433 hybrid under Mark McGhee. Marvin was the advanced winger on the left, Cadden played right side of a narrow midfield 3 and it was great to watch. To me he looked like a natural successor to someone like Stephen Pearson, a box to box midfielder who could pick up the ball and carry it 50-60 yards up the park.
The season after that we lost our assistant manager Stephen Robinson to Oldham and it became apparent very quickly that he was largely the guy who had been making things work. He was replaced by James McFadden who had zero experience and with McGhee rumoured to have been commuting from Brighton the season ended up in meltdown. McGhee ended up binned after losing 5-1 to Dundee at home (hot off the heels of losing 7-2 to Aberdeen) and Robinson got the job permanently as he'd since been emptied by Oldham.
Robinson's first full season saw him settle on a 352 with Cadden playing RWB and it was largely successful. 2 cup finals and a mid-table finish. The problem was that RWB didn't get anything like the best out of Cadden and it was probably around this time that his development began to stall. He 'did a job' in that position but it was definitely for the benefit of the team rather than his development.
Since that season he's largely stalled and seems to have plateaued.
I keep reading that he's a 'winger' he's really, really not. If the intention is to play him there then chances are you'll all be very disappointed. It may sound harsh but he's neither skilful or creative enough to be a winger his main attribute has always been his engine.
As I said at the start of this post he's someone who needs a change of scene. At Motherwell his development had drifted to the point where it's not really clear what his best position is; he's not comfortable enough on the ball or has enough of a range of passing to play as an #8, he's not creative enough to play as a #10 (we tried at the start of last season and it was very quickly binned). He's not someone who can pick a killer pass nor is he someone who contributes goals because his shooting is pretty suspect.
By way of example Jake Hastie (who I think played for Rangers against you guys the other week) came into the side while Cadden was out injured last season from wide right he chipped in with 7 goals in 15 appearances, David Turnbull was Scottish Writers Young Player of the Year and contributed 15 goals in 30 games from the #8/#10 area that we ditched Cadden way back at the start of the season, his form was such that we accepted bids of £3.25m from both Norwich and Celtic.
While it's fair to say that Cadden has been shunted about the team to his detriment, he's not someone who ever really looked like giving us that sort of return.
For all that may read as 'he's not very good' there's loads to like about him. He's just not a particularly refined footballer.
it's interesting to read that your local press is selling him in as a RB as he only occasionally played there for Motherwell (as opposed to RWB) but ironically long term it may end up being the position he's best suited to. He looked good in that role when we went with a diamond against St Mirren and post-split we were giving him equal time wide right and RB in a 433.
For an example of Cadden 'at his best' so to speak the build up to Moult's goal against Aberdeen below is quite a good representation:
Morning, Motherwell fan here. I think the last time I posted on the old site around the time you signed Marvin Johnson off us but I've kept an eye on this thread recently since your manager seems keen to take all our waifs and strays. Hello again.
Apologies in advance for the length of the post:
On Cadden, he's someone who 100% needs a change of scene and apart from a general saltiness about seeming like we're being shafted out of €300k we should be due, which is entirely Tory patter (€600k if he ends up at Sunderland as part of the more extreme conspiracies I've seen here) he's a well liked player but one who has largely been eclipsed by younger, better Academy players recently.
When he broke into the side he was (and potentially still is) a dynamic right sided midfielder. When he first started getting hype he was playing as part of a weird 442/433 hybrid under Mark McGhee. Marvin was the advanced winger on the left, Cadden played right side of a narrow midfield 3 and it was great to watch. To me he looked like a natural successor to someone like Stephen Pearson, a box to box midfielder who could pick up the ball and carry it 50-60 yards up the park.
The season after that we lost our assistant manager Stephen Robinson to Oldham and it became apparent very quickly that he was largely the guy who had been making things work. He was replaced by James McFadden who had zero experience and with McGhee rumoured to have been commuting from Brighton the season ended up in meltdown. McGhee ended up binned after losing 5-1 to Dundee at home (hot off the heels of losing 7-2 to Aberdeen) and Robinson got the job permanently as he'd since been emptied by Oldham.
Robinson's first full season saw him settle on a 352 with Cadden playing RWB and it was largely successful. 2 cup finals and a mid-table finish. The problem was that RWB didn't get anything like the best out of Cadden and it was probably around this time that his development began to stall. He 'did a job' in that position but it was definitely for the benefit of the team rather than his development.
Since that season he's largely stalled and seems to have plateaued.
I keep reading that he's a 'winger' he's really, really not. If the intention is to play him there then chances are you'll all be very disappointed. It may sound harsh but he's neither skilful or creative enough to be a winger his main attribute has always been his engine.
As I said at the start of this post he's someone who needs a change of scene. At Motherwell his development had drifted to the point where it's not really clear what his best position is; he's not comfortable enough on the ball or has enough of a range of passing to play as an #8, he's not creative enough to play as a #10 (we tried at the start of last season and it was very quickly binned). He's not someone who can pick a killer pass nor is he someone who contributes goals because his shooting is pretty suspect.
By way of example Jake Hastie (who I think played for Rangers against you guys the other week) came into the side while Cadden was out injured last season from wide right he chipped in with 7 goals in 15 appearances, David Turnbull was Scottish Writers Young Player of the Year and contributed 15 goals in 30 games from the #8/#10 area that we ditched Cadden way back at the start of the season, his form was such that we accepted bids of £3.25m from both Norwich and Celtic.
While it's fair to say that Cadden has been shunted about the team to his detriment, he's not someone who ever really looked like giving us that sort of return.
For all that may read as 'he's not very good' there's loads to like about him. He's just not a particularly refined footballer.
it's interesting to read that your local press is selling him in as a RB as he only occasionally played there for Motherwell (as opposed to RWB) but ironically long term it may end up being the position he's best suited to. He looked good in that role when we went with a diamond against St Mirren and post-split we were giving him equal time wide right and RB in a 433.
For an example of Cadden 'at his best' so to speak the build up to Moult's goal against Aberdeen below is quite a good representation:
what about Gorrin?Morning, Motherwell fan here. I think the last time I posted on the old site around the time you signed Marvin Johnson off us but I've kept an eye on this thread recently since your manager seems keen to take all our waifs and strays. Hello again.
Apologies in advance for the length of the post:
On Cadden, he's someone who 100% needs a change of scene and apart from a general saltiness about seeming like we're being shafted out of €300k we should be due, which is entirely Tory patter (€600k if he ends up at Sunderland as part of the more extreme conspiracies I've seen here) he's a well liked player but one who has largely been eclipsed by younger, better Academy players recently.
When he broke into the side he was (and potentially still is) a dynamic right sided midfielder. When he first started getting hype he was playing as part of a weird 442/433 hybrid under Mark McGhee. Marvin was the advanced winger on the left, Cadden played right side of a narrow midfield 3 and it was great to watch. To me he looked like a natural successor to someone like Stephen Pearson, a box to box midfielder who could pick up the ball and carry it 50-60 yards up the park.
The season after that we lost our assistant manager Stephen Robinson to Oldham and it became apparent very quickly that he was largely the guy who had been making things work. He was replaced by James McFadden who had zero experience and with McGhee rumoured to have been commuting from Brighton the season ended up in meltdown. McGhee ended up binned after losing 5-1 to Dundee at home (hot off the heels of losing 7-2 to Aberdeen) and Robinson got the job permanently as he'd since been emptied by Oldham.
Robinson's first full season saw him settle on a 352 with Cadden playing RWB and it was largely successful. 2 cup finals and a mid-table finish. The problem was that RWB didn't get anything like the best out of Cadden and it was probably around this time that his development began to stall. He 'did a job' in that position but it was definitely for the benefit of the team rather than his development.
Since that season he's largely stalled and seems to have plateaued.
I keep reading that he's a 'winger' he's really, really not. If the intention is to play him there then chances are you'll all be very disappointed. It may sound harsh but he's neither skilful or creative enough to be a winger his main attribute has always been his engine.
As I said at the start of this post he's someone who needs a change of scene. At Motherwell his development had drifted to the point where it's not really clear what his best position is; he's not comfortable enough on the ball or has enough of a range of passing to play as an #8, he's not creative enough to play as a #10 (we tried at the start of last season and it was very quickly binned). He's not someone who can pick a killer pass nor is he someone who contributes goals because his shooting is pretty suspect.
By way of example Jake Hastie (who I think played for Rangers against you guys the other week) came into the side while Cadden was out injured last season from wide right he chipped in with 7 goals in 15 appearances, David Turnbull was Scottish Writers Young Player of the Year and contributed 15 goals in 30 games from the #8/#10 area that we ditched Cadden way back at the start of the season, his form was such that we accepted bids of £3.25m from both Norwich and Celtic.
While it's fair to say that Cadden has been shunted about the team to his detriment, he's not someone who ever really looked like giving us that sort of return.
For all that may read as 'he's not very good' there's loads to like about him. He's just not a particularly refined footballer.
it's interesting to read that your local press is selling him in as a RB as he only occasionally played there for Motherwell (as opposed to RWB) but ironically long term it may end up being the position he's best suited to. He looked good in that role when we went with a diamond against St Mirren and post-split we were giving him equal time wide right and RB in a 433.
For an example of Cadden 'at his best' so to speak the build up to Moult's goal against Aberdeen below is quite a good representation: