Transfer News Transfer targets summer 2019

[Ricey]

I started a similar thread this time last year which ran all summer, I was thinking last night who might be on our radar after Robbo said he might miss a fixture to chase targets.

This morning he has said Kashi and Sinclair on loan and will attempt a permanent deal for Browne... All of which would be decent signings but particularly if he gets Browne permanently. If his contract expires 2020 it might be possible, with a small fee and decent sell on clause (like Roofe deal), it’s certainly one which could make some money down the line.

Any other suggestions or rumours? I’m sure it’s going to be a busy summer!!!

 

[AbbeyOx]

can understand Browne as a potential profit making signing in the future but would prefer Graham

 

[horseman]

if you want the owner to have ambition for the club then this continuous line of bringing players in just to sell on lacks such ambition.

Why oh why can we not build a squad of our own players that can be together for a few seasons with the odd tinker here and there as we progress up the leagues?

Keep breaking up the squad season after season has partly led us to where we are today.

 

[Upthecowboys]

if you want the owner to have ambition for the club then this continuous line of bringing players in just to sell on lacks such ambition.

Why oh why can we not build a squad of our own players that can be together for a few seasons with the odd tinker here and there as we progress up the leagues?

Keep breaking up the squad season after season has partly led us to where we are today.

Completely agree, but I don't think we are alone in that regard. With more lower division clubs making the most of the loan system it adds to the churn.

If we can get enough games out of Browne, and tie him up with Kashi and Sinclair then that would be a massive plus in reducing the churn. All 3 in different ways have shown they can do it at this level. If we had a front 3 of Sinclair, Mackie + 1 decent signing then that would not be a bad starting point.

With all 3 though, surely we should be able to tie it up relatively quickly. They have seen what we have got to offer, so all parties are in the know etc. The club needs to work out pretty quickly how likely it is they'll stay with us.

 

[Victor1986]

How does any of this sit then with Tiger's announcement that our playing budget will be reduced next season?

 

[Big Ronaldo]

Hopefully, the backroom staff will have sifted through the potential out there and have sorted out a long list of players who can add something special to this nucleus, starting with all those decent ones who are OOC at the end of the season.
Things will be tight money wise, but there are some very talented/ambitious players out there just looking for the step up (or down), and without having to pay a fee up front, we just might be able to grab ourselves a few diamonds in the rough without getting too many more wind up petitions along the way.?

 

[Foley]

How does any of this sit then with Tiger's announcement that our playing budget will be reduced next season?

Well it depends on what the reduction is.
It could sit pretty easily based on Carruthers, Holmes, Obika, Hall presumably taking a chunk of the budget and hardly playing at all this season.
This mustn't happen next season and hopefully a couple of the U23s will step up into the first team squad as well.
So it isn't impossible for the budget to be cut and the squad to remain as competitive as the second half of the season.
But it depends on the reduction in the budget which appears to not be finalised until this big board meeting at the end of the month.

 

[Big Ronaldo]

I see (according to transfermarkt) Plymouth’s Graham Carey is OOC this summer as is Gillingham’s Tom Eaves.

 

[tonto]

Would far rather have kashi than browne

 

[Brahma]

How does any of this sit then with Tiger's announcement that our playing budget will be reduced next season?

Not paying £30,000 per month plus for Holmes and Carruthers will help, especially as one is dropped from recent first team action.

Even if he trimmed the wage bill by £15,000 a month from it's current budget, would enable us to sign one of JG or JS. Replacing Nelson's wages with someone on a slightly less salary expectation will help further.

 

[Foley]

I see (according to transfermarkt) Plymouth’s Graham Carey is OOC this summer as is Gillingham’s Tom Eaves.

I would imagine that Championship clubs may take a punt on them (although Eaves looked pretty ordinary the twice we played ttem)

 

[Ricey]

Tom Eaves is a good shout (especially if Gillingham go down?!?!) and I think we wanted him last summer so would make sense...

 

[Marked Ox]

Tom Eaves is a good shout (especially if Gillingham go down?!?!) and I think we wanted him last summer so would make sense...

Eaves will end up in the Championship I reckon. I believe Gillingham turned down significant bids for him in January.

 

[Bornyellow]

Eaves will end up in the Championship I reckon. I believe Gillingham turned down significant bids for him in January.

Rangers also very keen.

 

[spmox]

if you want the owner to have ambition for the club then this continuous line of bringing players in just to sell on lacks such ambition.

Why oh why can we not build a squad of our own players that can be together for a few seasons with the odd tinker here and there as we progress up the leagues?

Keep breaking up the squad season after season has partly led us to where we are today.

Because we are a smaller club and two leagues below Southampton ( please add other clubs) .... and that's what they have to do.

Sell on's and loans will be a significant part of the reality of a loss making league 1 club.

(But we can still be successful and enjoy good football at the same time!)

 

[horseman]

Because we are a smaller club and two leagues below Southampton ( please add other clubs) .... and that's what they have to do.

Sell on's and loans will be a significant part of the reality of a loss making league 1 club.

(But we can still be successful and enjoy good football at the same time!)

we sold players we loan players we continue every summer to have to rebuild....we have flirted with relegation 2 seasons running Don't appear to be working to me.

 

[Foley]

we sold players we loan players we continue every summer to have to rebuild....we have flirted with relegation 2 seasons running Don't appear to be working to me.

There are a lit of reasons for that. Eales, Pep, time spent to develop the quality younger players coming through.
It did work under MAPP and can do again.
It may take a couple more years though..

 

[Marked Ox]

Rangers also very keen.

Could be an expensive summer for them then. Supposedly they want to make Ryan Kent's move permanent and the papers are claiming it will cost them £15m or so.

 

[Brahma]

We have had this model of investing and selling all our lives. No one was complaining when when the model worked superbly under Eales, Ashton and Appleton - we had Lundstram, Baldock, Roofe etc. It just coincided with a promotion.

All we needed to do was continue that but with a better pool of quality players available - instead we decided to throw away what we were good at and sign Tiendalli, Xemi, Williamson, Shearer, McMahon, Mackie (yes he's come to the party the last two months), etc. That's not going to see us kick on, never ever was it.

Just need to return to that. Tiger started to do it (Cameron B, Dickie, Whyte, Sykes) but it's been stifled by the McMahons and alike.

 

[AbbeyOx]

We have had this model of investing and selling all our lives. No one was complaining when when the model worked superbly under Eales, Ashton and Appleton - we had Lundstram, Baldock, Roofe etc. It just coincided with a promotion.

All we needed to do was continue that but with a better pool of quality players available - instead we decided to throw away what we were good at and sign Tiendalli, Xemi, Williamson, Shearer, McMahon, Mackie (yes he's come to the party the last two months), etc. That's not going to see us kick on, never ever was it.

Just need to return to that. Tiger started to do it (Cameron B, Dickie, Whyte, Sykes) but it's been stifled by the McMahons and alike.

forgot all about Williamson. didn’t he have decent playing history prior to us? the more you think about it the more shocking that was for the brief Pep era

 

[Deleted member 462]

We have had this model of investing and selling all our lives. No one was complaining when when the model worked superbly under Eales, Ashton and Appleton - we had Lundstram, Baldock, Roofe etc. It just coincided with a promotion.

All we needed to do was continue that but with a better pool of quality players available - instead we decided to throw away what we were good at and sign Tiendalli, Xemi, Williamson, Shearer, McMahon, Mackie (yes he's come to the party the last two months), etc. That's not going to see us kick on, never ever was it.

Just need to return to that. Tiger started to do it (Cameron B, Dickie, Whyte, Sykes) but it's been stifled by the McMahons and alike.

Dunno about stifled. U do need the older experienced heads along side the young sellable talent, mous, Mackie, kashi have proved invaluable additions off model.

 

[Deleted member 462]

We have had this model of investing and selling all our lives. No one was complaining when when the model worked superbly under Eales, Ashton and Appleton - we had Lundstram, Baldock, Roofe etc. It just coincided with a promotion.

All we needed to do was continue that but with a better pool of quality players available - instead we decided to throw away what we were good at and sign Tiendalli, Xemi, Williamson, Shearer, McMahon, Mackie (yes he's come to the party the last two months), etc. That's not going to see us kick on, never ever was it.

Just need to return to that. Tiger started to do it (Cameron B, Dickie, Whyte, Sykes) but it's been stifled by the McMahons and alike.

Dunno about stifled. U do need the older experienced heads along side the young sellable talent, mous, Mackie, kashi have proved invaluable additions off model.

 

[Leysboy]

The biggest headache for KR is going to be replacing Nelson. Love him to stay, but he owes us nothing. He’s given his all during his final season! Certainly been a model professional.

That said let’s hope we offer him a decent deal at least one more time to try and keep him here.

 

[brassmonkey]

Hylton maybe available in the summer. Billy kee would be decent.

 

[Brahma]

Dunno about stifled. U do need the older experienced heads along side the young sellable talent, mous, Mackie, kashi have proved invaluable additions off model.

In our 2015-16 season, the season the model really worked, our senior 30+ players were Mullins, Wright and Skarz. The rest were young kids or mid 20's and saleable assets. The model worked. Roofe, Kenny, Baldock, Dunkley, Graham, Ismail, O'Dowda, Waring, Sercombe, Bowery and Maguire. Then we followed it up with Johnson, Hemmings and Ledson.

Not sure anyone can compare the model above with signing Mehmeti, Tiendalli, Xemi, Williamson, Richardinho, Shearer, Tony McMahon, Mackie and Kashi.

 

[Deleted member 142]

I can't see James Collins getting game time in the Championship with Luton.

Yes please, Tiger.

 

[Deleted member 462]

In our 2015-16 season, the season the model really worked, our senior 30+ players were Mullins, Wright and Skarz. The rest were young kids or mid 20's and saleable assets. The model worked. Roofe, Kenny, Baldock, Dunkley, Graham, Ismail, O'Dowda, Waring, Sercombe, Bowery and Maguire. Then we followed it up with Johnson, Hemmings and Ledson.

Not sure anyone can compare the model above with signing Mehmeti, Tiendalli, Xemi, Williamson, Richardinho, Shearer, Tony McMahon, Mackie and Kashi.

No ones comparing it bar u si, and u will remember mapp himself said he needed more experienced pros in the side when we did come up. What You have done in the last paragraph is list 2 seasons worth of older players, most of which were still under Darryl and the original plan. Under tiger and Karl I’d say we’re far closer to the 15-16 model, with dickie, branagan, whyte, Sykes, and more importantly now an addition of all the sellable potential coming through the academy, with only a few older heads, which unlike the tiendallis and Williamson’s of this world have proved their value massively in the last couple of months with their experience

 

[Foley]

In our 2015-16 season, the season the model really worked, our senior 30+ players were Mullins, Wright and Skarz. The rest were young kids or mid 20's and saleable assets. The model worked. Roofe, Kenny, Baldock, Dunkley, Graham, Ismail, O'Dowda, Waring, Sercombe, Bowery and Maguire. Then we followed it up with Johnson, Hemmings and Ledson.

Not sure anyone can compare the model above with signing Mehmeti, Tiendalli, Xemi, Williamson, Richardinho, Shearer, Tony McMahon, Mackie and Kashi.

The model is changing though and bringing in players from say Everton is now far more difficult cost wise.
The current model is to grow our own players.
So hopefully in 2 to 3 years time we will point to Jane's Lopez Jones Spasov etc.
In addition a couple of McNahon Mackie Kashi are fine in that model
Just not too many at one time

 

[Paul Cannell]

Pep completely broke the model, dragging in a bunch of journeymen, mates and never-weres. There's been some recovery, sure but based on KR's two transfer windows we're papering cracks with tinsel rather than building saleable talent. Maybe it will be corrected in the summer. Maybe the owner doesn't share the Ashton (for it was he, I opine) vision and has other plans for the club?

 

[Brahma]

Pep completely broke the model, dragging in a bunch of journeymen, mates and never-weres. There's been some recovery, sure but based on KR's two transfer windows we're papering cracks with tinsel rather than building saleable talent. Maybe it will be corrected in the summer. Maybe the owner doesn't share the Ashton (for it was he, I opine) vision and has other plans for the club?

Yep.

I was responding Dave to the comments made previously that we have no ambition and are breaking up the squad. I have continually (see my posts over the last six months) defended Tiger from the accusation he has no money - pointing to investment and fees paid for Whyte, Sykes, Branagan and Dickie, let alone bringing in Graham.

Karl brought his mates in, it's not an agenda, it's a fact - Kashi has actually worked. My understanding is Karl also wanted rid of McMahon pretty quickly too and that was his signing when the recruitment team had other options. Pep was the problem and destroyed the model. The club apologised for that.

Get back to the model and we'll be able to do well again.