National News Train Attack

[Essexyellows]

Worthy of its own thread and utmost sympathy to those injured and witness to such terrible events and, as ever, kudos to those who run towards danger in our emergency services.

The Home Secretary says "do not speculate" after two have been arrested.

Wonder why that is? She already knows who has been nicked.

It is highly likely to be declared a terrorist incident and the overwhelming percentage of UK terrorist incidents of late have one commonality.

We`ll see.

 

[West Oxon U’s]

 

[West Oxon U’s]

 

[ECYellow]

This country has now gotten ourselves in a position where it isn’t even safe to get a train now. That is how far this country has fallen.

It’s despicable but not altogether surprising.

People need to wake up to the very real threat our country and civilisation face. It is hiding in plain sight.

 

[Mojofilter]

Surely it is a good thing to not speculate until there is actual information.

I think it is the Internet's doing, but there is often a desire to know the facts immediately and to be fed whatever we want as soon as we want it when there's often very good reasons for waiting until information is out. Its a pity people struggle to control themselves and can't help discussing something without the right information

 

[ECYellow]

Surely it is a good thing to not speculate until there is actual information.

I think it is the Internet's doing, but there is often a desire to know the facts immediately and to be fed whatever we want as soon as we want it when there's often very good reasons for waiting until information is out. Its a pity people struggle to control themselves and can't help discussing something without the right information

It’s a pity the attacker couldn’t control themselves, instead choosing to stab 10 innocent civilians.

Stop trying to deflect from the real issue, here.

 

[holdsteady]

The biggest concern following an attempt by two evil scumbags at mass murder of innocent people who just happen to be travelling on public transport appears to be to shut down people talking about it, that’s really what you want your Home Secretary to be bothered about in the aftermath? See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil as official government policy now?

 

[Swaby39]

This is getting frankly terrifying.

Every-day-things like walking the dogs and getting the train now are getting people killed or hospitalised. This is Britain for Christ sake, and look at what it’s become. I feel sick for those people who will never lead a normal life (assuming they all survive ), and thousands of others sitting uncomfortably in their home as a result of the story.

Is it enough yet????

 

[Essexyellows]

The biggest concern following an attempt by two evil scumbags at mass murder of innocent people who just happen to be travelling on public transport appears to be to shut down people talking about it, that’s really what you want your Home Secretary to be bothered about in the aftermath? See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil as official government policy now?

More like "speak not of who it will be".

I`m not a gambling man but I`ll take a bet.

Or maybe its two people with coincidental mental health episodes?

 

[Basham Wonderland]

This is part of our national reality now.

If possible, it's best to just ignore it and try to think about something else. The Manchester attack was particularly hard to stomach, so I've just accepted that these things now happen and just hope my family and friends will be safe.

See you in the next [insert name of attack] thread.

 

[Mojofilter]

It’s a pity the attacker couldn’t control themselves, instead choosing to stab 10 innocent civilians.

Stop trying to deflect from the real issue, here.

I'm not deflecting, I am asking adults to have restraint until we know things rather than indulging the lowest parts of ourselves to satisfy a curiosity that wil be satisfied if we wait. At that point of course have the discussions you want.

 

[West Oxon U’s]

Surely it is a good thing to not speculate until there is actual information.

I think it is the Internet's doing, but there is often a desire to know the facts immediately and to be fed whatever we want as soon as we want it when there's often very good reasons for waiting until information is out. Its a pity people struggle to control themselves and can't help discussing something without the right information

 

[werthersoriginal]

This is getting frankly terrifying.

Every-day-things like walking the dogs and getting the train now are getting people killed or hospitalised. This is Britain for Christ sake, and look at what it’s become. I feel sick for those people who will never lead a normal life (assuming they all survive ), and thousands of others sitting uncomfortably in their home as a result of the story.

Is it enough yet????

Is it enough yet? What do you mean?

 

[LowerSouth]

More like "speak not of who it will be".

I`m not a gambling man but I`ll take a bet.

Or maybe its two people with coincidental mental health episodes?

Superintendent John Loveless, from the British Transport Police, has given an update in the last half an hour (see our 10.44 post for more).

Speaking at Huntingdon Station, he gave us an update on the attack, including details about the two suspects.

Here's a summary of what he said about them:

• Both were arrested at Huntingdon Station, eight minutes after the first 999 call went into emergency services
• One is a 32-year-old male who is black and a British national
• The second is also a British national but of Caribbean descent
• Both were arrested on suspicion of attempted murder
• Both men were also born in the UK
• And they remain in separate police stations this morning for questioning

 

[Andy Stroud]

I know it doesn’t fit the narrative but police say that the attackers are British and nothing to indicate that it is terror related.
It seems that even British people can do bad things
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cm2zvjx1z14t

 

[JOHN BOY]

This is part of our national reality now.

If possible, it's best to just ignore it and try to think about something else. The Manchester attack was particularly hard to stomach, so I've just accepted that these things now happen and just hope my family and friends will be safe.

See you in the next [insert name of attack] thread.

Just accepted it no it's totally unacceptable.

 

[LowerSouth]

Worthy of its own thread and utmost sympathy to those injured and witness to such terrible events and, as ever, kudos to those who run towards danger in our emergency services.

The Home Secretary says "do not speculate" after two have been arrested.

Wonder why that is? She already knows who has been nicked.

It is highly likely to be declared a terrorist incident and the overwhelming percentage of UK terrorist incidents of late have one commonality.

We`ll see.

?????

 

[Beckdale16Bicester]

More like "speak not of who it will be".

I`m not a gambling man but I`ll take a bet.

Or maybe it’s two people with coincidental mental

More like "speak not of who it will be".

I`m not a gambling man but I`ll take a bet.

Or maybe its two people with coincidental mental health episodes?

Good job you’re not a gambling man, you’d have lost.

 

[Vancouver Yellow]

Country is a mess.

 

[ECYellow]

I know it doesn’t fit the narrative but police say that the attackers are British and nothing to indicate that it is terror related.
It seems that even British people can do bad things
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cm2zvjx1z14t

What is the narrative? All I’ve seen is people concerned for our country and the civilisation that we live in.

 

[mooro]

Shame that the police have to take time out from investigating such an incident in order to release certain details to counter speculation from social media posters desperate to prove themselves right...(In more than one sense of the word)

 

[Andy Stroud]

What is the narrative? All I’ve seen is people concerned for our country and the civilisation that we live in.

Just read the opening post on this thread. What was @Essexyellows going to bet on?

 

[Swaby39]

Is it enough yet? What do you mean?

Until politicians take their heads out their arses and start putting some proper deterrents in play. It’s a playground for criminals.

 

[Scotchegg]

What is the narrative? All I’ve seen is people concerned for our country and the civilisation that we live in.

That's not the narrative at all. It is one of Islamic terrorism/immigrant murders. If people were genuinely concerned then there would have been pages on here about the increase in race motivated offences including the rapes of Indian women by white men in the last few weeks. Or the white man who went into a mosque threatening to kill everyone in the name of patriotism. Or the thousands of girls sexually abused by white british men every year.

Hiding behind this "concerned citizen" position is a cop out.

 

[Mad Dog]

Superintendent John Loveless, from the British Transport Police, has given an update in the last half an hour (see our 10.44 post for more).

Speaking at Huntingdon Station, he gave us an update on the attack, including details about the two suspects.

Here's a summary of what he said about them:

• Both were arrested at Huntingdon Station, eight minutes after the first 999 call went into emergency services
• One is a 32-year-old male who is black and a British national
• The second is also a British national but of Caribbean descent
• Both were arrested on suspicion of attempted murder
• Both men were also born in the UK
• And they remain in separate police stations this morning for questioning

 

[Twiggy85]

What is the narrative? All I’ve seen is people concerned for our country and the civilisation that we live in.

What is the threat hiding in plain sight you referred to? Were you referring to all people and anyone can be a threat?

 

[Carpy]

Another thread turning into left vs right, open borders vs mass deportations.

The simple truth is that this happens with far too much regularity and the authorities need to understand why, pretty darn quickly, more innocent people will be slaughtered if they don't. If it makes some groups uncomfortable, so be it.

 

[Scotchegg]

Another thread turning into left vs right, open borders vs mass deportations.

Has it?

Looks more like a thread that is trying to distinguish fact from fiction, and the motivations around that fiction.

I suspect that its easier to label those who question this as "left" because it somehow diminishes their views.

 

[Robie]

It's nothing new knife crime and people feeling they need to go tooled up and carry a knife to be protected.

What's new is social media and the availability of news and misinformation easily spread.

It's well documented that enemy states are engaged in using fake accounts and bots to spread this misinformation to spread division and discourse across our society. The authorities are now hurried into commenting on the race, ethnicity and immigration status of individuals in these cases.

 

[OUFCGav]

Until politicians take their heads out their arses and start putting some proper deterrents in play. It’s a playground for criminals.

Would have pretty much zero effect in cases like this. As as example, if you look at murder rates in the US in states with the death penalty v states without the death penalty, the murder rate has been higher in the states where there is a death penalty every year for the last 35 years (and possibly before, that is just the stats I saw).