World Cup Thomas Tuchel Named England Manager

The Voice Of Reason said:
It's the fact the FA has had years to do succession planning and haven't! We all knew Southgate wouldn't be there for ever.
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I think the FA had succession planning in mind through promoting their u21 coach Lee Carsley. Unfortunately it didn't look good even if that isn't all down to him*


*The players played like morons vs Greece. And he did what some vocal critics of Southgate were calling for in putting all the young attacking players in the starting 11, the same critics who were then criticising him for it.
 
Steve Gilbert said:
I think some people also forget that in the modern game there are many players who change their allegiance.
One of the best players for Germany in the Euro’s represented England at every level up to and including the U21’s. Declan Rice has played for Ireland’s senior team 3 times before he changed to England. Mark Sykes went from Northern Ireland to Republic.
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Are you saying that Thomas Tuchel has changed his allegiance and is now eligible for England under the current eligibility rules?!

Or, that players can just decide to go and play for any other country they like, any time they like?!

Because if you aren’t, I don’t see how that’s at all relevant…
 
After two decades of clowns in charge, Southgate restored the Euro 96 pride and passion back to the national team, and reconnected the players with the fans and media.

OK, his teams were painfully boring to watch, but that's down to the fact that the current crop of players are soooo overrated, they're made to look way better than they really are by their foreign teammates at club level, but when playing for the national team at international level, their mediocrity is exposed.

We now have a bunch or massively overrated players, coached by an overrated German. What could possibly go wrong?

The "England National Team Circus" rumbles on...
 
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My guess is that the FA see Tuchel as a "closer", someone who will only do a couple of years and will only concentrate on winning the 2026 World Cup but not worry about the longer term.

Saying that, Spurs tried that with Mourinho, as they were desperate for a trophy, so it doesn't always work.
 
chromeyellow said:
IN 2013 Germany has 28,400 (England 1,759) coaches with the B licence, 5,500 (895) with the A licence and 1,070 (115) with the Pro licence, the highest qualification.
it's also far more expensive to get those badges in the UK.

Introduction course fee is £100.
  • Level 2 – £320
  • UEFA B – £720
  • UEFA A – £3000
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Remember Karl Robinson has a EUFA Pro licence, which puts the lower levels into perspective.
 
Seems pretty inevitable that the most qualified option would be foreign.

The only recent example of an English head coach getting the opportunity to manage one of the country’s biggest clubs was Potter at Chelsea and it didn’t work out. You can’t really blame those clubs when they can have their choice of anyone, for looking at a profile that’s used to winning games abroad, rather than punting on an English manager that’s been scrapping around mid-table or to avoid relegation.

So you end up looking at age group coaches and managers that lack the experience of the biggest games, or foreign coaches. It’s a shame a deal for Howe wasn’t prioritised or couldn’t done, but Tuchel doesn’t seem a bad option at all from what was available.
 
The Voice Of Reason said:
It's not he's German for me he could be from Burundi!!

It's the fact the FA has had years to do succession planning and haven't! We all knew Southgate wouldn't be there for ever.

It's also the fact they don't trust a young English coach

It's the FA that needs looking at and reforming
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Marked Ox said:
I think the FA had succession planning in mind through promoting their u21 coach Lee Carsley. Unfortunately it didn't look good even if that isn't all down to him*


*The players played like morons vs Greece. And he did what some vocal critics of Southgate were calling for in putting all the young attacking players in the starting 11, the same critics who were then criticising him for it.
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likely the same media critics writing articles 3 days apart - the first saying that appointing Pep Guardiola would be an ambitious statement for England, the next bemoaning the appointment of Tuchel saying the England manager should be English.
 
I think people talking about Howe or even Guardiola are completely over-estimating the appeal of managing England when set next to managing a well funded Prem club or top club jobs overseas.

At a club, you get to work with players week in week out, you can try to bring players in from anywhere in the world, you are paid an absolute fortune and you are beholden to the owners and supporters of one club.

As England manager, you get the players for a few weeks throughout the year (if they haven't got a 'niggle' - real or imaginary!), you can only pick from a fairly restricted pool of players, you are paid less of an absolute fortune and every supporter, hack and pundit will scream blue murder if you don't win every single game 10-0.

I know which I would pick. Tuchel was out of work, so didn't have that choice to make. I cannot think of an English manager who would have been both a good appointment and would have wanted the job.
 
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I don’t have a problem with this.
None of the current crop of English managers are ready or available.
Clearly, Lee Carsley didn’t want it and so a manager from overseas was almost inevitable.
Tuchel has won Trophies and that sets him apart from ANY English manager at present.
As for being German…. I think we’re done with that mindset aren’t we?
All we need is someone to guide our national team to European or World Cup glory (or both) and for that, I would say that Tuchel is a good fit.
 
holdsteady said:
On the point of only elite managers deserving the England job, not many elite managers take international jobs now, it’s not that prestigious. Germany won the World Cup with Low as manager, he didn’t have a great club managerial record. Southgate got us to two finals and a semi, he doesn’t have a great club record.
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Luis de la Fuente just won the Euros with Spain - and he's won absolutely nothing as a manager at club level.
Lionel Scaloni won the World Cup for Argentina, and he's never even managed a club! His appointment was slated at the time, especially by Maradona, because of his lack of experience and track record. Two Copas and One World Cup later, he's now amongst their greatest ever managers.

International football is a different beast, requiring a different skill set from club management. You need to be tactically astute and flexible, affable enough to very quickly build relationships with players and a good enough communicator to cope with the media demands and scrutiny.

The FA would never, ever have done it - but I genuinely think that Des would have been perfect for the job.
 
tonyw said:
Luis de la Fuente just won the Euros with Spain - and he's won absolutely nothing as a manager at club level.
Lionel Scaloni won the World Cup for Argentina, and he's never even managed a club! His appointment was slated at the time, especially by Maradona, because of his lack of experience and track record. Two Copas and One World Cup later, he's now amongst their greatest ever managers.

International football is a different beast, requiring a different skill set from club management. You need to be tactically astute and flexible, affable enough to very quickly build relationships with players and a good enough communicator to cope with the media demands and scrutiny.

The FA would never, ever have done it - but I genuinely think that Des would have been perfect for the job.
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tonyw said:
Luis de la Fuente just won the Euros with Spain - and he's won absolutely nothing as a manager at club level.
Lionel Scaloni won the World Cup for Argentina, and he's never even managed a club! His appointment was slated at the time, especially by Maradona, because of his lack of experience and track record. Two Copas and One World Cup later, he's now amongst their greatest ever managers.

International football is a different beast, requiring a different skill set from club management. You need to be tactically astute and flexible, affable enough to very quickly build relationships with players and a good enough communicator to cope with the media demands and scrutiny.

The FA would never, ever have done it - but I genuinely think that Des would have been perfect for the job.
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His time will come. He'll certainly nail the Southgate 'lovely young man' vibe for a start.
 
tonyw said:
Luis de la Fuente just won the Euros with Spain - and he's won absolutely nothing as a manager at club level.
Lionel Scaloni won the World Cup for Argentina, and he's never even managed a club! His appointment was slated at the time, especially by Maradona, because of his lack of experience and track record. Two Copas and One World Cup later, he's now amongst their greatest ever managers.

International football is a different beast, requiring a different skill set from club management. You need to be tactically astute and flexible, affable enough to very quickly build relationships with players and a good enough communicator to cope with the media demands and scrutiny.

The FA would never, ever have done it - but I genuinely think that Des would have been perfect for the job.
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Ban him!
 
Put it this way, if we got Klopp or Guardiola not a single person in their right mind would complain even though they are foreign. Tuchel may not have the same record as them but he won a CL with Chelsea, worked with and liked English players such as Kane, plays a better style of football than Southgate, good with young players and has been hired for massive teams such as Bayern. Give him a chance.
 
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