World Cup Thomas Tuchel - England Manager

[SteMerritt]

England manager: Thomas Tuchel agrees to become Three Lions boss

All the reaction as Thomas Tuchel agrees to become new England manager.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[werthersoriginal]

A Jerry? Whatever next. However probably better than the hapless Carsley. He doesn't seem to stay long anywhere, which could be an issue in this job.

 

[Steve Gilbert]

A good appointment IMO and one of the top managers who were available.

Certainly someone who could take us over the line in a tournament.

 

[holdsteady]

Good manager but the bigger football nations should have a manager who is of that nationality, you don’t see the Germans appointing someone who isn’t German.

 

[Deleted member 2689]

Didn't wear a suit to an FA Cup final.
That's.....my deep dive strategic analysis.

 

[Deleted member 2689]

A Jerry? Whatever next. However probably better than the hapless Carsley. He doesn't seem to stay long anywhere, which could be an issue in this job.

In defence of Carsley, he changed line up and formation in the Nations League, exactly where you should be experimenting.

 

[Stranger]

Good manager but the bigger football nations should have a manager who is of that nationality, you don’t see the Germans appointing someone who isn’t German.

And so it begins...

 

[Steve Gilbert]

Good manager but the bigger football nations should have a manager who is of that nationality, you don’t see the Germans appointing someone who isn’t German.

Can you name an English manager that has won more in the game than Tuchel who could do the England job?

 

[werthersoriginal]

I thought Graham Potter might be a good choice, maybe he binned us off. If you insist on someone English you’d probably end up with someone like Gary O’Neil.

 

[WokinghamYellow]

Good manager but the bigger football nations should have a manager who is of that nationality, you don’t see the Germans appointing someone who isn’t German.

That because they have a lot of great managers. We don’t have any

 

[Eric Blair]

He’s just keeping the seat warm before Des takes over

 

[Belgium Yellow]

He's been an excellent club manger who has come unstuck when club directors have interfered. So hopefully that's irrelevant now.
As to those wanting Pep, it would have been same old England. He chokes when it comes to the big one-off matches.
I'd have been ok with Howe or Potter because they are English. But there's no denying that Tuchel is way more impressive on paper.

 

[Orkney Islands Yellow]

That because they have a lot of great managers. We don’t have any

Thought St Georges Park was meant to develop English coaches? Clearly hasn't worked as planned.

It's fine for developing nations outside the top 30 of Fifa's rankings to appoint managers/coaches from other countries to help develop them and level the playing field. But there should be a rule for top 30 nations stopping them from appointing coaches that aren't from that country. If a country can't develop coaches as well as players then it's their problem. This would ensure a focus on coach development which the FA have clearly failed in as this appointment shows.

 

[SteMerritt]

Though St Georges Park was meant to develop English coaches? Clearly hasn't worked as planned.

It's fine for developing nations outside the top 30 of Fifa's ranking to appoint managers/coaches from other countries to help develop them and level the playing field. But there should be a rule for top 30 nations stopping them from appointing coaches that aren't from that country. If a country can't develop coaches as well as players then it's their problem. This would ensure a focus on coach development which the FA have clearly failed in as this appointment shows.

Doesn't matter a damn if our top clubs don't give English managers a chance, I'm not sure how you can blame the FA. Has an English manager ever won the Premier League? Don't think they have, I think Howard Wilkinson was the last to win the league, before the EPL was formed.

 

[holdsteady]

Can you name an English manager that has won more in the game than Tuchel who could do the England job?

Not really my point, it’s international football, apart from the minnows you should have to pick a manager of the same nationality of the country.

 

[werthersoriginal]

Thought St Georges Park was meant to develop English coaches? Clearly hasn't worked as planned.

It's fine for developing nations outside the top 30 of Fifa's rankings to appoint managers/coaches from other countries to help develop them and level the playing field. But there should be a rule for top 30 nations stopping them from appointing coaches that aren't from that country. If a country can't develop coaches as well as players then it's their problem. This would ensure a focus on coach development which the FA have clearly failed in as this appointment shows.

I don’t know that I’m too bothered about this. But it would make it more interesting if managers had to meet the same qualifications as players to represent their country.

 

[holdsteady]

That because they have a lot of great managers. We don’t have any

What had Low or Vogts as examples won in club management before they got the German national team job?

 

[holdsteady]

I don’t know that I’m too bothered about this. But it would make it more interesting if managers had to meet the same qualifications as players to represent their country.

It was pretty much an unspoken rule for years and a lot of the other big countries still keep to it, we are just more desperate than them.

 

[Oufccraig45]

England team should be English manager why don't they try an up coming manager if they keep getting over looked these managers won't learn. The Fa always looking for a quick fix and it usually ends up being expensive when it shouldn't be, but I wish Tuchel well thought

 

[Orkney Islands Yellow]

Not really my point, it’s international football, apart from the minnows you should have to pick a manager of the same nationality of the country.

Agree. If a country fails to develop their own coaches then on their head be it.

 

[Belgium Yellow]

Agree. If a country fails to develop their own coaches then on their head be it.

Charlie Alway it is then!

 

[SSO]

Can't wait for the first boring game when the fans in Row ZZ are hitting the halfway line with their paper Fokkers.

 

[chromeyellow]

IN 2013 Germany has 28,400 (England 1,759) coaches with the B licence, 5,500 (895) with the A licence and 1,070 (115) with the Pro licence, the highest qualification.
it's also far more expensive to get those badges in the UK.

Introduction course fee is £100.

• Level 2 – £320
• UEFA B – £720
• UEFA A – £3000

 

[Orkney Islands Yellow]

IN 2013 Germany has 28,400 (England 1,759) coaches with the B licence, 5,500 (895) with the A licence and 1,070 (115) with the Pro licence, the highest qualification.
it's also far more expensive to get those badges in the UK.

Introduction course fee is £100.

• Level 2 – £320
• UEFA B – £720
• UEFA A – £3000

Shocking for a major football nation. This was exactly what St Georges Park was meant to address. Another monumental FA failure.

 

[Emilio]

Couldn't care less that he's German, but I do agree with what some are saying - what's the point of international sport if the competitors aren't from those specific countries?

Managers are just as much competitors as the players (else changing managers wouldn't not have such an impact), so why should this rule change for them?

I am all for foreign coaches getting involved in aiding with the development of football in other countries, but when it comes to the international fixtures, I don't see why it shouldn't strictly be nationals representing their squad.

That said, Thomas Rongen's stint managing American Samoa was a great story. Check out Next Goal Wins (starring Michael Fassbender) for a heartwarming dramatisation.

 

[The Voice Of Reason]

Well said Orkney backwards step..

Doesn't show progression

What does it tell young English coaches!

Tuchel is known for not staying around

 

[Orkney Islands Yellow]

Couldn't care less that he's German, but I do agree with what some are saying - what's the point of international sport if the competitors aren't from those specific countries?

Managers are just as much competitors as the players (else changing managers wouldn't not have such an impact), so why should this rule change for them?

I am all for foreign coaches getting involved in aiding with the development of football in other countries, but when it comes to the international fixtures, I don't see why it shouldn't strictly be nationals representing their squad.

That said, Thomas Rongen's stint managing American Samoa was a great story. Check out Next Goal Wins (starring Michael Fassbender) for a heartwarming dramatisation.

Absolutely fine for developing footballing nations to appoint foreign managers to help level the playing field but there should be a cut off based on rankings or a qualification coefficient or something and when a nation passes that they must have coaches from that meets the same qualifying criteria as the players.

 

[Marston Road Yellow]

Old men in striped suits delivering an utterly insipid appointment.

We won’t win anything with him at the helm.

 

[werthersoriginal]

Old men in striped suits delivering an utterly insipid appointment.

We won’t win anything with him at the helm.

Probably not. We haven’t since 1966 so I’m not really expecting much. Who would you have chosen though?

 

[tonyw]

No manager has ever won the World Cup coaching a team from a country other than his own. The only one who's ever won the Euros is Otto Rehhagel (he of the Greek miracle)

Germany have never had a manager who wasn't German; Italy briefly had an Argentinian as part of a technical commission in 1967 but have never had a full manager who wasn't Italian; Argentina haven't since 1934; Brazil since 1965; France since 1975; Spain had a dude who was a naturalized Hungarian for a decade but otherwise not since 1962.

Don't know why we're the only 'big' footballing nation in the past half century that has decided it's not important to have one of our own citizens coaching the national team, but we are. And a fat lot of good it's done us too.


Which is not a criticism of Tuchel - he's a good coach, and I'll be interested to see what he can do with this bunch of players. But it really is another indictment of the FA (as if we needed another) that we're looking overseas again to find a coach we think is halfway competent.