National News The YF Conservative Leader - Part 97

[Basham Wonderland]

Jacob Rees Mogg to take us back to when Britain was actually great.

I'm talking banning cars and replacing them with horses. Candles instead of electric light. Imperial measurements. Scary little girls who haunt misty graveyards.

It's not too much to ask.

 

[RyanioBirdio]

Oh God.

Someone tell me they're not going to be allowed to choose their own leader again.

They're really, really bad at that.

Yeah but it’s actually funny now, because they won’t become the PM as a result. It’s about as interesting and relevant as finding out who is going to be the leader of the Lib Dem’s.

 

[Wallop]

Jacob Rees Mogg to take us back to when Britain was actually great.

I'm talking banning cars and replacing them with horses. Candles instead of electric light. Imperial measurements. Scary little girls who haunt misty graveyards.

It's not too much to ask.

Except he’s not an MP any more.

 

[Essexyellows]

Final Four.........
Kemi B
James C
Robert J
Tom T

Reckon we`ll get a choice between Kemi & Tom........

 

[Grumpy Git]

Final Four.........
Kemi B
James C
Robert J
Tom T

Reckon we`ll get a choice between Kemi & Tom........

This is like voting for MOM for a team that’s lost 9-0, against 10 men.

 

[Foley]

Final Four.........
Kemi B
James C
Robert J
Tom T

Reckon we`ll get a choice between Kemi & Tom........

Jenrick has polled well to date.
Not sure about him.

 

[Eric Blair]

Final Four.........
Kemi B
James C
Robert J
Tom T

Reckon we`ll get a choice between Kemi & Tom........

I think it will be between Kemi and Robert J with the members voting for RJ.

 

[Eric Blair]

My personal choice for a constructive leader of the opposition would be Tom T.

 

[Morris Oxford]

Not a very inspiring bunch.

Who would Labour least prefer to be up against? Badenoch I suspect.

Which means the Tories will choose Jenrick.

 

[Sheik Djibouti]

Not a very inspiring bunch.

Who would Labour least prefer to be up against? Badenoch I suspect.

Which means the Tories will choose Jenrick.

You're still i with a 50:50 chance of being right.

I don't think it matters who it is to be honest. The chances of them still being there in just under 5 years is pretty remote, and at their current numbers they're going to continue to be a pretty ineffectual opposition. I mean, it's not like the Lib Dems are going to side with the against the government any time soon is it - they're still smarting from doing that in 2010!

Whichever of the last two it is, I reckon there's a good chance the other will part of Nigel's cabal this time next year.

 

[Foley]

Not a very inspiring bunch.

Who would Labour least prefer to be up against? Badenoch I suspect.

Which means the Tories will choose Jenrick.

The public seem to least like Badenoch.
I reckon Labour would least like to face Cleverly

 

[Sheik Djibouti]

The public seem to least like Badenoch.
I reckon Labour would least like to face Cleverly

You're possibly right, but the Tory faithful have just booted Cleverly out of the competition

As QR said on the Kier Starmer thread, this looks like another gift he's going to have to declare

 

[Foley]

You're possibly right, but the Tory faithful have just booted Cleverly out of the competition

As QR said on the Kier Starmer thread, this looks like another gift he's going to have to declare

Pretty surprising to me.
Never thought that I wouid say this, but is Badenoch the least bad option?
Jenrich seems to be pushing for us to get out of the ECHR - there are no more important issues to campaign on?

 

[Isle of Wight Yellow]

Never thought that I wouid say this, but is Badenoch the least bad option?

Now there’s a statement that I never, ever thought I’d hear…

 

[Sheik Djibouti]

Pretty surprising to me.
Never thought that I wouid say this, but is Badenoch the least bad option?
Jenrich seems to be pushing for us to get out of the ECHR - there are no more important issues to campaign on?

I think either are pretty insignificant in terms of being a meaningful opposition to the government, such is their majority. I also think whichever it is will have to perform increasingly crazy right wing stunts to stem the support they're currently hemorrhaging to Reform. The centre ground is absolutely lost to the Tories for the forseeable and these two being on the right of the party simply confirms it.

And as we all seem to agree, the further towards the edge you go, the less electable you become.

 

[OX18]

You're possibly right, but the Tory faithful have just booted Cleverly out of the competition

As QR said on the Kier Starmer thread, this looks like another gift he's going to have to declare

It’s the Tory MPs that have decided against him, the ‘Tory faithful haven’t had a chance to vote yet.

 

[Basham Wonderland]

Strange that Cleverly is gone. Badenoch would be usurped long before any election.

It would be interesting if the Conservative Party served up our first, second, third and fourth female prime minister, first Asian prime minister, AND our first black prime minister.

Labour, the forward thinking party, tend only to do middle aged white men. Which is typically "Guardian" of them really.

 

[Sheik Djibouti]

It’s the Tory MPs that have decided against him, the ‘Tory faithful haven’t had a chance to vote yet.

Ah yes, good point.

I wonder what the faithful will think of the choice their Lords and Masters have left them with

 

[SSO]

It's a car crash of a party really isn't it ? If they were a football team they would be Manchester United. Always playing catch up now and by the next election may not even be the main threat to Labour.

 

[Foley]

Labour don't seem.ro be doing themselves any favours at the moment (suits, gifts etc when pensioners are losing their winter fuel allowance is bring cut).

Labour can't blow this chance.....hopefully

 

[OX18]

Ah yes, good point.

I wonder what the faithful will think of the choice their Lords and Masters have left them with

TBH, I rather think they will be happy firstly to actually have a vote, which they were denied before. Secondly, although he seemed well received at their conference, they would prefer a choice from two right of centre candidates rather than one who many believe to be rather to the left of the party. They both try to come over as Thatcherites , but the doubt must be will the winner turn into another Cameron.

 

[Sheik Djibouti]

TBH, I rather think they will be happy firstly to actually have a vote, which they were denied before. Secondly, although he seemed well received at their conference, they would prefer a choice from two right of centre candidates rather than one who many believe to be rather to the left of the party. They both try to come over as Thatcherites , but the doubt must be will the winner turn into another Cameron.

Doubt either will be as successful as Cameron to be honest. His big thing was trying to unite the party, which is one reason he tried to solve the Europe question once and for all (only for it to blow up in his face). I don't think either Badenoch or Jenrick are remotely interested in party unity. And as they can;t provide any credible opposition in this parliament, their focus will be turning tricks for the right in a desperate attempt to stop them drifting off to Nige.

 

[OX18]

Doubt either will be as successful as Cameron to be honest. His big thing was trying to unite the party, which is one reason he tried to solve the Europe question once and for all (only for it to blow up in his face). I don't think either Badenoch or Jenrick are remotely interested in party unity. And as they can;t provide any credible opposition in this parliament, their focus will be turning tricks for the right in a desperate attempt to stop them drifting off to Nige.

Of course Cameron appeared to lean to the right, he was pushed forward by Michael Howard who while being a right winger was very clearly a Eurosceptic. Cameron in my opinion drifted more towards Europe once elected. As you say his offer of the referendum blew up in his face. The depth of the parliamentary Tory party is now so low that I for one will be amazed if the declared winner is still there in 2029. Politics as we all know is a nasty deceitful way of life, its the members now who get the vote on the final two, but its the Parliamentary party that decide if things are not going their way and ‘when the letters go in ’.

 

[Sheik Djibouti]

 

[Carpy]

If Badenoch wins, you might as well give Starmer and his merry little crew tens years now, she's wholly unelectable amongst normal voters

 

[Sheik Djibouti]

If Badenoch wins, you might as well give Starmer and his merry little crew tens years now, she's wholly unelectable amongst normal voters

And Jenrick IS electable?!?

 

[Carpy]

And Jenrick IS electable?!?

For me, no, but he's less of train wreck

 

[Scotchegg]

Agreed. Badenoch will maybe bring in some of the Tories lost to Reform but that's not where the next election will be won.

They need to reclaim the centre ground with moderate Conservatives and voters that were lost to Labour and the Lib Dems. Badenoch will be hated by them.

As someone who would describe themselves as a lapsed moderate Tory, I was hoping to see Tom Tugendhat get through. I'm not sure that he would have guaranteed a Tory victory in 2029, but he would have rebuilt the Tories to put them on course to significantly reduce the deficit and make them a genuine opposition.

Sadly I can only see Badenoch or Bobby J causing more division and letting Labour off the hook.

 

[Left Wing Cross]

Agreed. Badenoch will maybe bring in some of the Tories lost to Reform but that's not where the next election will be won.

They need to reclaim the centre ground with moderate Conservatives and voters that were lost to Labour and the Lib Dems. Badenoch will be hated by them.

As someone who would describe themselves as a lapsed moderate Tory, I was hoping to see Tom Tugendhat get through. I'm not sure that he would have guaranteed a Tory victory in 2029, but he would have rebuilt the Tories to put them on course to significantly reduce the deficit and make them a genuine opposition.

Sadly I can only see Badenoch or Bobby J causing more division and letting Labour off the hook.

In a way, I see this as what the Tories need to go through. When they lost in '97, they were the Nasty/Sleazy party and they have returned to that place It took them many years to rehabilitate their reputation with the public but they had to go through their Hague-IDS-Howard period.

 

[Peterdev]

The Conservatives lost a good couple of million of votes to Reform. In my area the majority of 25000+ was lost and Liberals won the seat by a tiny majority, whilst Reform got 6000. The Liberals although they picked up over 70 seats they were marginal wins.
The Labour Party although winning a landslide didn’t really up their vote much.
For me though I can’t see Badenoch posing much of a threat. I think Jenrick will win the vote, and probably try and concoct some deal with Reform. Might be enough to win in 2029