New Stadium The Triangle - Planning (S106 Submitted)

[SteMerritt]

New Stadium Project - Key Details
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Latest from CDC: APPROVAL GRANTED S106 Draft Submitted Kassam License Extension: OUFC Communication Target SoS Decision Date: SoS Go-Ahead Given 15th Oct​

SoS Decision - No Call In​

 

[West Oxon U’s]

In fairness it was Chairman Grant Ferguson who explained in early December that he expected the S.106 to be signed off mid-January.

Having said that he also stated in November that he expected the S.106 to be concluded by mid-December!

Agree that this process is being handled by the stadium project team and nothing to do with CEO Tim Willliams.

 

[FatOldSun]

There must be a plethora of other items relating to the stadium which are being worked on concurrently with the S106. Whether the S106 is delaying work on the ground, I don't know. Maybe there was always a plan to start groundworks in April, but of course this will depend on whether a judicial review is attempted.

 

[Orkney Islands Yellow]

There must be a plethora of other items relating to the stadium which are being worked on concurrently with the S106. Whether the S106 is delaying work on the ground, I don't know. Maybe there was always a plan to start groundworks in April, but of course this will depend on whether a judicial review is attempted.

Which it almost certainly will be sadly.

There's very little room for more delays now, I think we will be in in time but I think the stadium will be sufficiently finished to be safe and useable but not 100% finished in terms of landscaping, decoration and the finishing touches. Probably best to manage our expectations in that respect.

 

[Billyox]

There must be a plethora of other items relating to the stadium which are being worked on concurrently with the S106. Whether the S106 is delaying work on the ground, I don't know. Maybe there was always a plan to start groundworks in April, but of course this will depend on whether a judicial review is attempted.

There will be many workstreams progressing alongside the S106 — design, conditions, procurement and programming typically move in parallel.

You cant start ground work until permission is given formally which is only granted after s106 is signed

We still wont start work while the threat of a jr is still there

 

[Foley]

Which it almost certainly will be sadly.

Will it?
How do you work that out/ what have you heard to suggest it almost certainly will?
The cost, the fact that it will almost certainly fail and all the other things happening in Kidlington makes me doubt that.
So what makes you so confident the JD will happen?

 

[Billyox]

Will it?
How do you work that out/ what have you heard to suggest it almost certainly will?
The cost, the fact that it will almost certainly fail and all the other things happening in Kidlington makes me doubt that.
So what makes you so confident the JD will happen?

Its costs about £200 to actually lodge a jr the costs come after if the judge agrees to look further most cases fall at this stage

 

[Chrisox]

Which it almost certainly will be sadly.

There's very little room for more delays now, I think we will be in in time but I think the stadium will be sufficiently finished to be safe and useable but not 100% finished in terms of landscaping, decoration and the finishing touches. Probably best to manage our expectations in that respect.

By taking are time and doing things properly there is less chance of a Jr why so negative there maybe set backs it's better to look at the positives.

 

[Orkney Islands Yellow]

Will it?
How do you work that out/ what have you heard to suggest it almost certainly will?
The cost, the fact that it will almost certainly fail and all the other things happening in Kidlington makes me doubt that.
So what makes you so confident the JD will happen?

We've all seen the opposition we're dealing with, right?!

 

[Foley]

Its costs about £200 to actually lodge a jr the costs come after if the judge agrees to look further most cases fall at this stage

I was referring to taking it further.
So are you suggesting that Middleton and friends will lodge a JR, but then the judge is likely to turn it down? Presumably that is quite a quick decision.
I believe thay any JR application has to have detailed reasons why the process wasn't properly followed?

 

[bazzer9461]

Its costs about £200 to actually lodge a jr the costs come after if the judge agrees to look further most cases fall at this stage

They haven’t got to worry about money then got a Steve Hill.

 

[bazzer9461]

I was referring to taking it further.
So are you suggesting that Middleton and friends will lodge a JR, but then the judge is likely to turn it down? Presumably that is quite a quick decision.
I believe thay any JR application has to have detailed reasons why the process wasn't properly followed?

And the JR can only be against CDC for not following the procedures of a planning application. From what I sat through over 4 hours I just can’t see if they did anything wrong and it was done all professionally

 

[Blox21]

They haven’t got to worry about money then got a Steve Hill.

I’m sure if they catch Steve at the right time ( when he’s had a bottle or two )he’ll stump up the cash there and then

 

[East Stand Fan]

And the JR can only be against CDC for not following the procedures of a planning application. From what I sat through over 4 hours I just can’t see if they did anything wrong and it was done all professionally

Yep, the whole process was watertight and every professional body that examined it recommended a unanimous approval and that's before we secured a 14-1 almost unanimous granting. The FOSB will probably resort to their usual old cards but none of those have any merit for this legal examination. They really have no grounds to file on and most of these JR's in other cases are nothing more than sour grape submissions without basis that get thrown out at first knockings.

Labour were also supposed to bring in legalisation to stop the abuse of process where judge's time was wasted on reviewing perfectly successful applications so although that hasn't come into play yet I don't believe, I think most lawyers and judges will be mindful of petty reviews without basis.

 

[Billyox]

I was referring to taking it further.
So are you suggesting that Middleton and friends will lodge a JR, but then the judge is likely to turn it down? Presumably that is quite a quick decision.
I believe thay any JR application has to have detailed reasons why the process wasn't properly followed?

Yes — that’s essentially how the JR process works.
An application has to set out specific, legally arguable failures in the decision-making process. It isn’t a rehearing of the planning merits.
Most applications fall at the permission stage because disagreement or repetition of objections isn’t enough. If permission is refused, it usually happens relatively quickly and the process goes no further.

Im no expert but I cant see any flaw in the process
While we all moaned about the slow progress and the constant reconsultation it was all done for this purpose of avoiding a jr
A jr would add a year to 18 months to the timescale

 

[Billyox]

And the JR can only be against CDC for not following the procedures of a planning application. From what I sat through over 4 hours I just can’t see if they did anything wrong and it was done all professionally

Its the whole process not just the planning committee meeting hence why it took seemingly so long while we moaned cdc and club were making this application water tight and robust

 

[uptheus]

So @Billyox do you still think the mid January timeframe is on track? Just wondered if you had heard anything?

 

[Billyox]

So @Billyox do you still think the mid January timeframe is on track? Just wondered if you had heard anything?

Im not "in the know" so you know as much as me.
All id say is a couple of signposts tell me yes but I could be reading it wrong.

One for sure I wont be losing my s**t if it isn't

 

[Maurice Earp]

Im not "in the know" so you know as much as me.
All id say is a couple of signposts tell me yes but I could be reading it wrong.

One for sure I wont be losing my s**t if it isn't

How long do you think this will go on for??
Timescale is getting ridiculous

 

[Stranger]

How long do you think this will go on for??
Timescale is getting ridiculous

Is it? How long do these things normally take?

 

[Billyox]

Is it? How long do these things normally take?

9-12 months
We have done fantastically well to get a draft agreement out in 2 months (October) on avg that takes 4-6 months
Despite what your all thinking we are well ahead of the curve

 

[Stranger]

9-12 months
We have done fantastically well to get a draft agreement out in 2 months (October) on avg that takes 4-6 months
Despite what your all thinking we are well ahead of the curve

Yes, I know that. I was asking Maurice because he's upset at the timescale, so I was wondering if he knew better

 

[uptheus]

Im not "in the know" so you know as much as me.
All id say is a couple of signposts tell me yes but I could be reading it wrong.

One for sure I wont be losing my s**t if it isn't

Thank you, but ideally we’d like to commence construction around April to allow a bit of contingency for the completion timeframe. If we miss this window I guess we’d be in danger of the stadium not being ready for the 2028/29 season.

 

[Billyox]

Thank you, but ideally we’d like to commence construction around April to allow a bit of contingency for the completion timeframe. If we miss this window I guess we’d be in danger of the stadium not being ready for the 2028/29 season.

Really depends on the build time I know the club quoted as 2 years to build
others in the construction industry have said 18-24 months if its more towards the 18 month mark then we have a bit of play

 

[Headley]

Does anyone know the implications of the Land behind the Moors development will have on Stratfield Brake?

Presumably if the Cricket club moves there it'll have serious implications for the viability of Stratfield Brake

 

[Bicester Yellow]

Really depends on the build time I know the club quoted as 2 years to build
others in the construction industry have said 18-24 months if its more towards the 18 month mark then we have a bit of play

I think we are now getting into the realms of needing a groundshare looking at it objectively, nobody wants it but I think it’s fairly likely now even if it is for just a few months

 

[Billyox]

Does anyone know the implications of the Land behind the Moors development will have on Stratfield Brake?

Presumably if the Cricket club moves there it'll have serious implications for the viability of Stratfield Brake

From what I gather sb needs the cricket club to stay because it brings in the money during the summer months

 

[Stranger]

To be honest, I'm astonished that they categorised the Land Behind the Moors as grey belt. When I lived there it was all barley fields or meadow - the very definition of green belt. If anything's open to question there's a chance that they could get that reviewed, I'd have thought

 

[Billyox]

To be honest, I'm astonished that they categorised the Land Behind the Moors as grey belt. When I lived there it was all barley fields or meadow - the very definition of green belt. If anything's open to question there's a chance that they could get that reviewed, I'd have thought

It also fits very nicely into the definition of grey belt

 

[Foley]

I think we are now getting into the realms of needing a groundshare looking at it objectively, nobody wants it but I think it’s fairly likely now even if it is for just a few months

Not true.
I think that the club need to get the S106 completed as soon as possible and then see where we are on the plan
The club shouid do everything possible to not ground share even if it means swapping a couple of the home games for away games at the start.

 

[uptheus]

Really depends on the build time I know the club quoted as 2 years to build
others in the construction industry have said 18-24 months if its more towards the 18 month mark then we have a bit of play

Yeah, so commencing in April and taking 2 years (better if quicker), would then mean we have time to do safety tests, test matches/crowd management etc, so allowing approximately 3 months to the season commencement in August. So if this April commencement gets pushed back it then potentially impacts this contingency period (3 months) if the build were to take 2 years, so timeframe is getting tighter by the week/month!

And this is all dependent on their not being a judicial review of any sort which could impact the current timeframe plan/wish