New Stadium The Triangle - Planning (S106 Agreed)

[SteMerritt]

 

[m]

You clearly have a huge amount of knowledge and insight here and have been pretty vocal that the JR is an absolute nonsense, has no merit and will fail .

So at this stage, while FoSB continue to pump out the same bullshit about the stadium, our club and football fans in general, which we have all heard time and time again, what does it matter anymore?

We can’t change their views and we can’t stop them pumping rubbish in social media, but the majority can see through it, so why waste more energy continuing a pointless debate with them?

At this stage I don’t see that giving a very small insignificant minority any more oxygen to continue their pointless campaign of misinformation.

The game is over for them. Let FoSB slowly die and disappear in a whimper. They will be history very soon anyway.

They are destined to fail with this JR, you have made this clear, so if the battle has already been won and we are just locked in more pointless delay tactics that the club has “factored in”, why should we continue to engage with their bile?

As with this forum, sometimes sticking people on ignore is the most satisfactory action.

Just for the record, I have absolute faith in the information and explanations you furnish to us on here and your contribution and clarity has been invaluable and appreciated by all.

I just think it really is time to stop feeding the trolls.

I mean, the battle hasn't been won.

No matter how good a position we might be in, the battle is not yet won.

 

[The Mighty Aldo]

You clearly have a huge amount of knowledge and insight here and have been pretty vocal that the JR is an absolute nonsense, has no merit and will fail .

So at this stage, while FoSB continue to pump out the same bullshit about the stadium, our club and football fans in general, which we have all heard time and time again, what does it matter anymore?

We can’t change their views and we can’t stop them pumping rubbish in social media, but the majority can see through it, so why waste more energy continuing a pointless debate with them?

At this stage I don’t see that giving a very small insignificant minority any more oxygen to continue their pointless campaign of misinformation.

The game is over for them. Let FoSB slowly die and disappear in a whimper. They will be history very soon anyway.

They are destined to fail with this JR, you have made this clear, so if the battle has already been won and we are just locked in more pointless delay tactics that the club has “factored in”, why should we continue to engage with their bile?

As with this forum, sometimes sticking people on ignore is the most satisfactory action.

Just for the record, I have absolute faith in the information and explanations you furnish to us on here and your contribution and clarity has been invaluable and appreciated by all.

I just think it really is time to stop feeding the trolls.

I’m sorry but what you don’t seem to get is
THEY TRIED TO DESTROY OUR FOOTBALL CLUB

I want to make sure their names will not be forgotten and hopefully those who are councillors will be hounded out of office.

Yo may forgive and forget I won’t

 

[Billyox]

It is because of them that this became a battle over the Triangle instead of Stratfield Brake.
It is because of them that we are not already halfway through building the new stadium.
It is because of them that Oxford United, its owners, its staff, its supporters, and the wider community are still sat here waiting.
And I don’t think some people truly grasp the damage this has caused.
This project started out at around £130 million. The last figure mentioned was £150 million. By now, with inflation, delay, legal costs, consultants, KCs, lawyers, reports, responses and endless obstruction, I would not be remotely surprised if the real cost is now north of £170 million.
That extra cost has not appeared from thin air.
It has been created by interference. By delay. By misinformation. By people who have dragged this process out at every possible turn while pretending they are the reasonable ones.
And no, I have not forgotten.
I have not forgotten Les Wells and the others involved in putting this club in danger before.
I have not forgiven Firoz Kassam for the position Oxford United were left in.
And I sure as hell will not forget or forgive the people who have spent years trying to block the only realistic future this club has.
Ian Middleton. Suzanne McIvor. Steve Hill. Adrian Sutton. Victoria and Trevor Campbell. Melanie Moorhouse. Lesley McLean. And the rest of Kidlington Parish Council, bar the one person who actually showed some sense.
They have not just “raised concerns”. They have helped create delay, cost and uncertainty. They have pushed claims that were misleading, exaggerated or flat-out wrong. Some of it was even repeated in the planning committee meeting itself.
They knew what was at stake.
They knew this was not just about a patch of land.
They knew Oxford United’s future was on the line.
And still they carried on.
So no, I will not pretend this is normal local debate. I will not pretend this was harmless. I will not pretend the damage has not been real.
They did not simply oppose a stadium.
They tried to choke the future out of this football club.
And those of us who care about Oxford United should never forget it

 

[Village-Yellow]

I’m sorry but what you don’t seem to get is
THEY TRIED TO DESTROY OUR FOOTBALL CLUB

I want to make sure their names will not be forgotten and hopefully those who are councillors will be hounded out of office.

Yo may forgive and forget I won’t

My joy will come when that stadium is built and every time these people drive past the triangle, they will see it.

Every match day they will be reminded that they lost.

Every mention of Oxford United will leave a bitter, sour taste in their mouths for years to follow.

I take great comfort in that and I take great comfort in the fact that they will have failed and we will have been victorious. The fact that our club will continue and that football will be played at the triangle will be testament to their campaign of mistruths.

Their hatred of our club will continue, but I will not care. They will have become insignificant to me and they will have been found out for who and what they really are.

I will not forgive and I will not forget, but also I will not waste my energy letting it consume me.

The joy of the beautiful game will win through.

 

[Village-Yellow]

I mean, the battle hasn't been won.

No matter how good a position we might be in, the battle is not yet won.

I appreciate that.

But in Billyox we trust

 

[Billyox]

I appreciate that.

But in Billyox we trust

Dont trust me im just a thick football supporter

 

[The Mighty Aldo]

My joy will come when that stadium is built and every time these people drive past the triangle, they will see it.

Every match day they will be reminded that they lost.

Every mention of Oxford United will leave a bitter, sour taste in their mouths for years to follow.

I take great comfort in that and I take great comfort in the fact that they will have failed and we will have been victorious. The fact that our club will continue and that football will be played at the triangle will be testament to their campaign of mistruths.

Their hatred of our club will continue, but I will not care. They will have become insignificant to me and they will have been found out for who and what they really are.

I will not forgive and I will not forget, but also I will not waste my energy letting it consume me.

The joy of the beautiful game will win through.

Fine @Village-Yellow
We are going to have to agree to disagree, as long as the stadium gets built, that is the main priority
However there are certain people who have used their positions as councillors on KPC and CDC to misinform the public and indeed lie about the stadium. They should be held to account and never hold any position in public office again.
@Billyox has named them so no need to do it again

 

[Jim Chimcheroux]

It is because of them that this became a battle over the Triangle instead of Stratfield Brake.
It is because of them that we are not already halfway through building the new stadium.
It is because of them that Oxford United, its owners, its staff, its supporters, and the wider community are still sat here waiting.
And I don’t think some people truly grasp the damage this has caused.
This project started out at around £130 million. The last figure mentioned was £150 million. By now, with inflation, delay, legal costs, consultants, KCs, lawyers, reports, responses and endless obstruction, I would not be remotely surprised if the real cost is now north of £170 million.
That extra cost has not appeared from thin air.
It has been created by interference. By delay. By misinformation. By people who have dragged this process out at every possible turn while pretending they are the reasonable ones.
And no, I have not forgotten.
I have not forgotten Les Wells and the others involved in putting this club in danger before.
I have not forgiven Firoz Kassam for the position Oxford United were left in.
And I sure as hell will not forget or forgive the people who have spent years trying to block the only realistic future this club has.
Ian Middleton. Suzanne McIvor. Steve Hill. Adrian Sutton. Victoria and Trevor Campbell. Melanie Moorhouse. Lesley McLean. And the rest of Kidlington Parish Council, bar the one person who actually showed some sense.
They have not just “raised concerns”. They have helped create delay, cost and uncertainty. They have pushed claims that were misleading, exaggerated or flat-out wrong. Some of it was even repeated in the planning committee meeting itself.
They knew what was at stake.
They knew this was not just about a patch of land.
They knew Oxford United’s future was on the line.
And still they carried on.
So no, I will not pretend this is normal local debate. I will not pretend this was harmless. I will not pretend the damage has not been real.
They did not simply oppose a stadium.
They tried to choke the future out of this football club.
And those of us who care about Oxford United should never forget it

“Churchillian”
You could actually win wars with speeches like that Billy

 

[Pgyellow]

And they will just go on to the next project . . .

 

[holdsteady]

And they will just go on to the next project . . .

Isn't this just one part of the overall plan? Which is the removal of working class people from near them and the eradication of the concept of enjoyment from humanity? Its a lifetime project.

 

[Concretebob]

It is because of them that this became a battle over the Triangle instead of Stratfield Brake.
It is because of them that we are not already halfway through building the new stadium.
It is because of them that Oxford United, its owners, its staff, its supporters, and the wider community are still sat here waiting.
And I don’t think some people truly grasp the damage this has caused.
This project started out at around £130 million. The last figure mentioned was £150 million. By now, with inflation, delay, legal costs, consultants, KCs, lawyers, reports, responses and endless obstruction, I would not be remotely surprised if the real cost is now north of £170 million.
That extra cost has not appeared from thin air.
It has been created by interference. By delay. By misinformation. By people who have dragged this process out at every possible turn while pretending they are the reasonable ones.
And no, I have not forgotten.
I have not forgotten Les Wells and the others involved in putting this club in danger before.
I have not forgiven Firoz Kassam for the position Oxford United were left in.
And I sure as hell will not forget or forgive the people who have spent years trying to block the only realistic future this club has.
Ian Middleton. Suzanne McIvor. Steve Hill. Adrian Sutton. Victoria and Trevor Campbell. Melanie Moorhouse. Lesley McLean. And the rest of Kidlington Parish Council, bar the one person who actually showed some sense.
They have not just “raised concerns”. They have helped create delay, cost and uncertainty. They have pushed claims that were misleading, exaggerated or flat-out wrong. Some of it was even repeated in the planning committee meeting itself.
They knew what was at stake.
They knew this was not just about a patch of land.
They knew Oxford United’s future was on the line.
And still they carried on.
So no, I will not pretend this is normal local debate. I will not pretend this was harmless. I will not pretend the damage has not been real.
They did not simply oppose a stadium.
They tried to choke the future out of this football club.
And those of us who care about Oxford United should never forget it

100 percent this.

Not letting them get away with anymore nonsense until the day the stadium is opened.

 

[Billyox]

“Churchillian”
You could actually win wars with speeches like that Billy

I wouldn't go that far

 

[outsidethebox]

Going to be hard to forget them when we have the:
"Durr, it's a triangle" stand
"We don't know what we're voting for" stand
"Abstain, Abstain, Abstain" stand
And even the "Those solar panels won't work at night" stand.

Never forget them, never forgive them, always remind them.

 

[trainingcone]

It is because of them that this became a battle over the Triangle instead of Stratfield Brake.
It is because of them that we are not already halfway through building the new stadium.
It is because of them that Oxford United, its owners, its staff, its supporters, and the wider community are still sat here waiting.
And I don’t think some people truly grasp the damage this has caused.
This project started out at around £130 million. The last figure mentioned was £150 million. By now, with inflation, delay, legal costs, consultants, KCs, lawyers, reports, responses and endless obstruction, I would not be remotely surprised if the real cost is now north of £170 million.
That extra cost has not appeared from thin air.
It has been created by interference. By delay. By misinformation. By people who have dragged this process out at every possible turn while pretending they are the reasonable ones.
And no, I have not forgotten.
I have not forgotten Les Wells and the others involved in putting this club in danger before.
I have not forgiven Firoz Kassam for the position Oxford United were left in.
And I sure as hell will not forget or forgive the people who have spent years trying to block the only realistic future this club has.
Ian Middleton. Suzanne McIvor. Steve Hill. Adrian Sutton. Victoria and Trevor Campbell. Melanie Moorhouse. Lesley McLean. And the rest of Kidlington Parish Council, bar the one person who actually showed some sense.
They have not just “raised concerns”. They have helped create delay, cost and uncertainty. They have pushed claims that were misleading, exaggerated or flat-out wrong. Some of it was even repeated in the planning committee meeting itself.
They knew what was at stake.
They knew this was not just about a patch of land.
They knew Oxford United’s future was on the line.
And still they carried on.
So no, I will not pretend this is normal local debate. I will not pretend this was harmless. I will not pretend the damage has not been real.
They did not simply oppose a stadium.
They tried to choke the future out of this football club.
And those of us who care about Oxford United should never forget it

Here here, well said.

 

[Sarge]

"The local ecology and wildlife reserve would be severly harmed by the new development stadium and hotel complex near Stratfield Break. Noise and traffic problems will be massive. Other more suitable areas around Oxford exist. There are colonies of badgers, raccons, hare, voles there."

That's a new one, raccoons living there. What's the equivalent of a twitcher for wild animals?

A Doctor Judy Webb ?

 

[Sarge]

“just ignore them”

FoSB should not be handed a free hit to slag off the club, trash the planning application, and pump out their usual cocktail of half-truths, selective nonsense and doom-mongering without being challenged
silence doesn’t make misinformation disappear. It just gives it room to grow.
They tried and are still trying to kill our club
There is absolutely no chance that ill give them a free ride not now not ever

100% - well put

never forget, never forgive

 

[Sarge]

And they will just go on to the next project . . .

such as the already running Land Behind the Moors , for example. ?

Some very familiar names are part of that campaign, difference being the LBTM protest group are relatatively transparent as to the members of that group, unlike FoSB

 

[Slade Yellow]

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Let's hope they've reported them to the authorities..

such as the Land Behind the Moors , for example. Some very familar names are part of that campaign, difference being the LBTM protest group are relatatively transparent, unlike FoSB

Not so many self righteous toff’s there

 

[Sarge]

Not so many self righteous toff’s there

Im not so sure about that

 

[Under The Cuckoo Lane]

Remember back in the day, my local pub chalked up names of banned punters on a blackboard.
How about a permanent list of lifetime bans. When the grand children, and great grand children (of those who tried to stop us) go to our wonderful new stadium, sad person's aforementioned can try explaining to them why they are banned and can't go with them.
Sorry but I'm angry.

 

[chuckbert]

I wouldn't go that far

Hmm. First name "Billy". Has mentioned going through Bladon. Sounds Churchillian to me.

 

[Billyox]

Hmm. First name "Billy". Has mentioned going through Bladon. Sounds Churchillian to me.

Hate to break to you my first name isn't billy hi ian

 

[Mike_H]

Basil England is also the clown making claims about raccoons isn't he?

Basil England = Bell End

An anagram of Basil England is Ban Signalled (also Blind Lasagne)

 

[Wicko]

“just ignore them”

FoSB should not be handed a free hit to slag off the club, trash the planning application, and pump out their usual cocktail of half-truths, selective nonsense and doom-mongering without being challenged
silence doesn’t make misinformation disappear. It just gives it room to grow.
They tried and are still trying to kill our club
There is absolutely no chance that ill give them a free ride not now not ever

Well said Billy. Why should they be allowed to spout their bile and lies without being challenged.
I’ll always remember what they’ve said and what they’ve tried to do.
Never forgotten, never forgiven.

 

[yellowbow]

Remember back in the day, my local pub chalked up names of banned punters on a blackboard.
How about a permanent list of lifetime bans. When the grand children, and great grand children (of those who tried to stop us) go to our wonderful new stadium, sad person's aforementioned can try explaining to them why they are banned and can't go with them.
Sorry but I'm angry.

I like this idea of a lifetime ban for anyone who has opposed the stadium and tried to kill off the club, but it’s shouldn’t just stop with them, it should follow down to every subsequent generation.

Black ball the name.

 

[Oxymoron]

I'd rather see a situation where the enquiry "Can you pop round Saturday, son?" is answered with "Sorry Dad, it's a top of the table clash at the Triangle; wouldn't miss that for love nor money".

 

[Orkney Islands Yellow]

Is this for real?! Are they for real?!

 

[Orkney Islands Yellow]

 

[Toe knee]

 

[The Mighty Aldo]

Is this for real?! Are they for real?!

Hmm are we sure that’s not one of us taking the p**s