New Stadium The Triangle - Planning (S106 Agreed)

[SteMerritt]

New Stadium Project - Key Details
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Planning Portal: Planning Application - 24/00539/F Stadium News Digest Thread: Click Here. Latest from Club: Planning Meeting: Link​

Latest from CDC: APPROVAL GRANTED S106 AGREED Kassam License Extension: OUFC Communication Target SoS Decision Date: SoS Go-Ahead Given 15th Oct​

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[Concretebob]

They probably realise there's no point because Kidlington will be a suburb of Oxford in the next 30 years

It pretty much is Oxford.

Even Councillor Plonker has his location on Facebook as "Oxford"

 

[East Stand Fan]

At least the chap with glasses stuck to his guns and went against. Showed he had some guts, not that it mattered.

He ended up looking like a right isolated prat. Middleton got to him good but everyone else made their own conscious choice based on fact and the proposal itself rather than hurt feelings. He was the only person to go against the application out of all the professional bodies and local representatives and it really was baseless and built off the back of lies.

 

[Oxymoron]

Kpc have already said there will be no vote on wether its to change from village to town

If ten parishioners attend the meeting and demand a parish poll, they have no choice. But as we know, this only gives the local populace a chance to voice an opinion, it has no legal standing.

 

[Concretebob]

What exactly is the avantage of Kidlington being a village and not a town?

And wasn't Middleton pushing the idea of Kidlington being a town recently?

 

[Billyox]

If ten parishioners attend the meeting and demand a parish poll, they have no choice. But as we know, this only gives the local populace a chance to voice an opinion, it has no legal standing.

Very true good point

They kpc are bloody stupid tho they have just wasted £000s on changing all the stationary work clothes work vans etc to incorporate the new kidlington parish council logo only for it to maybe needing to be changed again if it does change to Town

 

[Billyox]

What exactly is the avantage of Kidlington being a village and not a town?

And wasn't Middleton pushing the idea of Kidlington being a town recently?

There is very little advantage kpc thought being a town would protect them from more developments as the green belt policy states merging 2 towns it matters not as each planning application is done on its on merits
You can see that on our own application its green belt so needed vsc and we provided it and it was approved

 

[Concretebob]

There is very little advantage kpc thought being a town would protect them from more developments as the green belt policy states merging 2 towns it matters not as each planning application is done on its on merits
You can see that on our own application its green belt so needed vsc and we provided it and it was approved

Thank you.

And more importantly Middleton gets to be mayor, yes?

 

[Oxymoron]

The Green Party would have to be the majority on the council for that to happen. Even though their role is only ceremonial, Town Mayors are traditionally selected from the party with control of the council.

Edit: Bad choice of words there. Town or Parish councils (there is no difference in their powers and responsibilities) are normally focused on their community and are not run on party lines, so there would be no controlling party.

The Mayor would, however, be the de facto leader of the council, so would assume the role of chairman, so the councillors may be "selective" on who they grant office to....

 

[unification]

If ten parishioners attend the meeting and demand a parish poll, they have no choice. But as we know, this only gives the local populace a chance to voice an opinion, it has no legal standing.

Yes, I was about to say this. Until residents of Kidlington call a Parish Poll, KPC can ignore any demands.

Very true good point

They kpc are bloody stupid tho they have just wasted £000s on changing all the stationary work clothes work vans etc to incorporate the new kidlington parish council logo only for it to maybe needing to be changed again if it does change to Town

I thought that KPC were normally more prudent with the public purse.

Who knew, eh?

 

[Dillon]

The Green Party would have to be the majority on the council for that to happen. Even though their role is only ceremonial, Town Mayors are traditionally selected from the party with control of the council,

The current Chair of the Parish Council would become the Town Mayor. Town mayors are not elected by the electorate, but by the ruling party, I believe. Still this is a bit of a side show as the two main issues will be the planning decisions regarding LBTM and the final steps (s106), will the PC be asked for and grant financial support towards a Judicial Review for each development?

 

[Concretebob]

The Green Party would have to be the majority on the council for that to happen. Even though their role is only ceremonial, Town Mayors are traditionally selected from the party with control of the council.

Edit: Bad choice of words there. Town or Parish councils (there is no difference in their powers and responsibilities) are normally focused on their community and are not run on party lines, so there would be no controlling party.

The Mayor would, however, be the de facto leader of the council, so would assume the role of chairman, so the councillors may be "selective" on who they grant office to....

This is KPC we are talking about. It's totally rotten to the core.

Middleton is a known bully and will see himself as the only person fit to hold the position.

Maybe if he did become mayor, we could invite him onto the pitch for the opening game at the new stadium? I'm sure many OUFC supporters will give him an interesting reception

 

[Billyox]

He just follows me about

 

[Oxymoron]

Maybe if he did become mayor, we could invite him onto the pitch for the opening game at the new stadium? I'm sure many OUFC supporters will give him an interesting reception

One of the roles of any mayor is to support local businesses and contributors to the community. The opening of the stadium would be exactly the type of event where he would be expected to represent the village town in celebrating a huge achievement in the advancement of Kidlington on the countywide stage.

 

[Wallop]

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Finished 9th out of 10 horses despite being the favourite - sounds about right. Described below as 'restless' early on, then 'outpaced' and 'weakened' as the hard yards kicked in - it's like a parody of the whole planning process

 

[Concretebob]

One of the roles of any mayor is to support local businesses and contributors to the community. The opening of the stadium would be exactly the type of event where he would be expected to represent the village town in celebrating a huge achievement in the advancement of Kidlington on the countywide stage.

He's got some interesting reviews on not so local businesses on his Facebook

 

[Concretebob]

Finished 9th out of 10 horses despite being the favourite - sounds about right. Described below as 'restless' early on, then 'outpaced' and 'weakened' as the hard yards kicked in - it's like a parody of the whole planning process

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It's ok, McIvor thinks there's grounds for a stewards inquiry

 

[Billyox]

Finished 9th out of 10 horses despite being the favourite - sounds about right. Described below as 'restless' early on, then 'outpaced' and 'weakened' as the hard yards kicked in - it's like a parody of the whole planning process

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Apart from he was never the favourite in planning
Also why i never backed it there were far better horses in that race

 

[Wallop]

Apart from he was never the favourite in planning
Also why i never backed it there were far better horses in that race

He was the favourite in his own head!

 

[Concretebob]

He was the favourite in his own head!

Like his home ownership, I wonder if he had two horses in the race?

 

[FatOldSun]

Finished 9th out of 10 horses despite being the favourite - sounds about right. Described below as 'restless' early on, then 'outpaced' and 'weakened' as the hard yards kicked in - it's like a parody of the whole planning process

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Explains the long face.

 

[Concretebob]

Explains the long face.

Linda Ward was in the race too?

 

[Orkney Islands Yellow]

The big question is will
Cllr McLean
Cllr Mawson

Abstain

"we don't know what we're voting for..."

 

[Golden Dr Otto]

Five months since planning permission was granted. Consider me utterly unimpressed by Tim and the gangs lack of traction in getting the s106 signed off.

They’ve missed their own rather liberal and loose timelines more than once and I fully expect them to miss the mid January one too.

 

[Billyox]

Five months since planning permission was granted. Consider me utterly unimpressed by Tim and the gangs lack of traction in getting the s106 signed off.

They’ve missed their own rather liberal and loose timelines more than once and I fully expect them to miss the mid January one too.

This is not a straightforward Section 106 agreement.
A typical S106 is a bilateral arrangement between a planning authority and a developer. In this case, the agreement involves multiple parties: the club, Cherwell District Council, Oxfordshire County Council and Chiltern Railways.
Each party has distinct statutory responsibilities, funding priorities and governance requirements, all of which must be reconciled within a single, legally robust agreement. No one party controls the timetable, and no element can be concluded in isolation.
It is therefore unhelpful to attribute delay to any single individual or organisation. This is not a matter of reluctance or inefficiency, but the inevitable consequence of coordinating a complex, multi-agency agreement covering transport, rail capacity, highways works and long-term mitigation obligations that must remain enforceable for decades.

this is a function of complexity, not fault.

 

[outsidethebox]

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14-1 would have been a more appropriate price!

 

[Orkney Islands Yellow]

Five months since planning permission was granted. Consider me utterly unimpressed by Tim and the gangs lack of traction in getting the s106 signed off.

They’ve missed their own rather liberal and loose timelines more than once and I fully expect them to miss the mid January one too.

Is this week considered 'mid-January'?

 

[West Oxon U’s]

The month of January is 31 days long so mid-January could run from , say, around January 11th to around the 20th?

Of course I hope the S.106 is signed off this week - a full five months since planning permission was given.

 

[Emilio]

This is not a straightforward Section 106 agreement.
A typical S106 is a bilateral arrangement between a planning authority and a developer. In this case, the agreement involves multiple parties: the club, Cherwell District Council, Oxfordshire County Council and Chiltern Railways.
Each party has distinct statutory responsibilities, funding priorities and governance requirements, all of which must be reconciled within a single, legally robust agreement. No one party controls the timetable, and no element can be concluded in isolation.
It is therefore unhelpful to attribute delay to any single individual or organisation. This is not a matter of reluctance or inefficiency, but the inevitable consequence of coordinating a complex, multi-agency agreement covering transport, rail capacity, highways works and long-term mitigation obligations that must remain enforceable for decades.

this is a function of complexity, not fault.

All this is well and good, and is exactly why I fear the stadium may not be constructed in time for the start of the 28/29 season (unless something is resolved soon). When I last said this, I think it might have been you who replied with a Chat GPT breakdown of a timeline, showing that the stadium should be built with time to spare (sorry, won't scroll back a month's worth of pages to find that post), but my fear is very much based on the number of departments who need to be in agreement, both in their negotiable demands and in their predetermined legal responsibility.

Not being on the inside of this particular procedure, none of us know how long it will take, other than calculated guesswork based upon how long similar processes have taken in the past. However, there has not been any such s106 handled between these particular stakeholders in Oxfordshire, and as such, there is no exact comparison.

I'll say it again, I wouldn't at all be surprised if we play at least part of the 28/29 season at another club's ground while awaiting construction on the triangle to finish.

 

[unification]

All this is well and good, and is exactly why I fear the stadium may not be constructed in time for the start of the 28/29 season (unless something is resolved soon). When I last said this, I think it might have been you who replied with a Chat GPT breakdown of a timeline, showing that the stadium should be built with time to spare (sorry, won't scroll back a month's worth of pages to find that post), but my fear is very much based on the number of departments who need to be in agreement, both in their negotiable demands and in their predetermined legal responsibility.

Not being on the inside of this particular procedure, none of us know how long it will take, other than calculated guesswork based upon how long similar processes have taken in the past. However, there has not been any such s106 handled between these particular stakeholders in Oxfordshire, and as such, there is no exact comparison.

I'll say it again, I wouldn't at all be surprised if we play at least part of the 28/29 season at another club's ground while awaiting construction on the triangle to finish.

I’m of the belief that the stadium will happen but not in the timeframe planned, as you are.

We’ve had so many of these little niggly delays that they soon mount up. Even if we have spades in the ground in Spring, I’ve seen enough Grand Designs to know that hold ups with materials here, bad weather there and another unforeseen issue elsewhere can add months on to a schedule. That contingency has already been eaten away with the planning process taking longer than usual (they got it right and got it approved first time around though) and the S106 is taking time too.

The stadium will happen. My inkling too is that there may be a groundshare needed somewhere in the process though.

Hope not but there should be a plan for these things.

 

[Stranger]

Five months since planning permission was granted. Consider me utterly unimpressed by Tim and the gangs lack of traction in getting the s106 signed off.

They’ve missed their own rather liberal and loose timelines more than once and I fully expect them to miss the mid January one too.

Not sure why you're giving Tim Williams flak on this. As far as I'm aware (which is reasonably far) this process is nothing to do with him or Grant but is the remit of a specialist team contracted to the club for this specific purpose.

And, as @Billyox says, it's a very complex, multi-agency agreement that will also have to be overseen by all the agencies' legal teams to make sure that everything is both practical and legal. Given that, I think if it's signed off this month that would represent excellent progress.