EFL The Relegation Thread

[Essexyellows]

The ever cheerful Leicester fans at work seem to think they will have a fire sale and/or release a lot of their squad, alongside those who have relegation escape clauses and can walk away..
They are also "concerned" about their borrowing secured against the EPL parachute payments.

I would be highly amused if they cop another points deduction middle of next season or, better still, their money boys decide to bale out.

 

[ZeroTheHero]

It varies.
So the 3 teams relegated from the Championship last year have finished
Cardiff 2nd Promoted
Luton 7th ( one point off the play offs with a game left)
Plymouth 8th (2 points off the play offs)

True - but both Luton and Plymouth had poor starts until they got the measure of that division and both (I think!) had to strengthen in January as well as replace the numerous players that left over the summer.

 

[QR]

I've seen a couple of reports that Steven Gerrard has been linked with a Championship club and thought 'silver lining'.

 

[Marked Ox]

After relegation Luton and Plymouth had very high player churn, Cardiff were middle of the road in terms of turnover.

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Cardiff lost a lot of senior players (especially keepers) but they promoted plenty of Academy/1st year pros into the squad. They signed 3 players for the senior squad late in the summer window of which 2 were loans (Omari Kellyman from Chelsea U21s, keeper Nathan Trott from FC Copenhagen) and centre back Gabriel Osho for a 1m euros from Auxerre. Then 2 in January, Calum Scanlon on loan from Liverpool U21s and Harry Tyrer on a permanent from Everton U21s.

The info is from Soccerway.

 

[greatunclekip]

@greatunclekip was shouting at clouds at the time.

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I was 11 though probs still shouting at clouds

 

[SirAndyOfCrosby]

Look , let’s be honest , we are just not good enough for championship football

How do you reconcile that with the fact that, in nine games against the Top 5 this season, we've only lost twice?

How about the fact that our tally of 20 losses from 45 games is pretty respectable - more than half of the division has lost at least 18?

The only reason we are getting relegated is because we haven't got a handful more wins - wins that we could and should have achieved with a bit more backbone.

How many of our 14 draws were closer to being wins than defeats? I reckon 9. We only needed to convert two or three of them.

And that's before you account for inexplicable defeats at home to Portsmouth, or at Charlton, or at Wrexham vs 10 men.

Yes, we're down. But I refuse to subscribe to the narrative that it was inevitable or that we didn't have enough within us.

 

[Digby]

How do you reconcile that with the fact that, in nine games against the Top 5 this season, we've only lost twice?

How about the fact that our tally of 20 losses from 45 games is pretty respectable - more than half of the division has lost at least 18?

The only reason we are getting relegated is because we haven't got a handful more wins - wins that we could and should have achieved with a bit more backbone.

How many of our 14 draws were closer to being wins than defeats? I reckon 9. We only needed to convert two or three of them.

And that's before you account for inexplicable defeats at home to Portsmouth, or at Charlton, or at Wrexham vs 10 men.

Yes, we're down. But I refuse to subscribe to the narrative that it was inevitable or that we didn't have enough within us.

Yes your right but you must be consistent, nobody actually knew what team was turning up the good,bad or the ugly !

 

[Basham Wonderland]

How do you reconcile that with the fact that, in nine games against the Top 5 this season, we've only lost twice?

How about the fact that our tally of 20 losses from 45 games is pretty respectable - more than half of the division has lost at least 18?

The only reason we are getting relegated is because we haven't got a handful more wins - wins that we could and should have achieved with a bit more backbone.

How many of our 14 draws were closer to being wins than defeats? I reckon 9. We only needed to convert two or three of them.

And that's before you account for inexplicable defeats at home to Portsmouth, or at Charlton, or at Wrexham vs 10 men.

Yes, we're down. But I refuse to subscribe to the narrative that it was inevitable or that we didn't have enough within us.

This is peak Yellowsforum

I actually think the same about Sheffield Wednesday - they were competing on the pitch when you strip away the -18 points. Even with a 17-man senior squad from January onward, Wednesday picked up results against the teams they were directly fighting to stay above.

12 draws, only 1 win but 4 of those draws were against Charlton, Blackburn, Watford, Coventry. With a normal squad, some of those become wins.

Yes they had -57 GD. But that blew out after Feb when relegation was confirmed. Before Feb: they were losing 2-1 to Sheff Utd, 2-1 to Derby — one goal games. The 11-match losing streak only started after they became the earliest relegated team in EFL history on 22 Feb. Teams switch off once it’s mathematically done.

Take the -18 off and Wednesday sit on 15 pts. That’s 35 games to go from 15 pts to 44 pts — the 22nd place safety mark. 29 pts from 35 games = 0.83 PPG. They were already at 0.35 PPG with kids and no strikers. With a proper squad and no admin fire sale in Jan, hitting 0.83 PPG is Championship-standard survival form.

If Oxford and Wednesday could just have turned a few results in their favour during the season they'd both be going up automatically.

In other words, if my auntie had balls...

 

[Peterdev]

I've seen a couple of reports that Steven Gerrard has been linked with a Championship club and thought 'silver lining'.

Rumours about him going to Burnley after their relegation was confirmed

 

[GeneralLee]

 

[SamLongSlidingTackle]

It'll be interesting to see how we deal with the pace of league 1, it's only been a few years but I've already forgotten. Though I think it'll be important to see how we deal with the ball when we have it and not to overcomplicate possession.

 

[SirAndyOfCrosby]

This is peak Yellowsforum

I actually think the same about Sheffield Wednesday - they were competing on the pitch when you strip away the -18 points. Even with a 17-man senior squad from January onward, Wednesday picked up results against the teams they were directly fighting to stay above.

12 draws, only 1 win but 4 of those draws were against Charlton, Blackburn, Watford, Coventry. With a normal squad, some of those become wins.

Yes they had -57 GD. But that blew out after Feb when relegation was confirmed. Before Feb: they were losing 2-1 to Sheff Utd, 2-1 to Derby — one goal games. The 11-match losing streak only started after they became the earliest relegated team in EFL history on 22 Feb. Teams switch off once it’s mathematically done.

Take the -18 off and Wednesday sit on 15 pts. That’s 35 games to go from 15 pts to 44 pts — the 22nd place safety mark. 29 pts from 35 games = 0.83 PPG. They were already at 0.35 PPG with kids and no strikers. With a proper squad and no admin fire sale in Jan, hitting 0.83 PPG is Championship-standard survival form.

If Oxford and Wednesday could just have turned a few results in their favour during the season they'd both be going up automatically.

In other words, if my auntie had balls...

Quite a lot of effort (and edits) for a facile 'joke' there.

I reckon that if you're 4 points off safety with a game to go you probably have more of a claim to 'What If's' then if you're relegated in February, but maybe that's just me?

Either way you completely miss the point (again) - no, we haven't been good enough this season overrall, but it's fine margins rather than a chronic inability to be competitive.

For what it's worth, it was routinely accepted that last season we 'out-performed' our xG and that the nature of our results wasn't sustainable - you can certainly argue we were a few points better off than we might have been.

But you can't have it both ways - this season the balance has clearly swung back and it's caught up with us. I don't fundamentally believe we have been worse this season.

In fact, I believe we had a better squad, in a weaker division. And that with better management, that we could have stayed up. I think it's ok to say that whilst also recognising the inescapable truth - that we haven't.

To use your crude analogy, my auntie did have b*llocks but we lopped them off ourselves.

 

[Digby]

It'll be interesting to see how we deal with the pace of league 1, it's only been a few years but I've already forgotten. Though I think it'll be important to see how we deal with the ball when we have it and not to overcomplicate possession.

We have got to up our possession from 30% in the championship to 60/70% in league one. No more hoping for a breakaway goal on 30% but attacking 60/70 % possession

 

[Basham Wonderland]

Quite a lot of effort (and edits) for a facile 'joke' there.

I reckon that if you're 4 points off safety with a game to go you probably have more of a claim to 'What If's' then if you're relegated in February, but maybe that's just me?

Either way you completely miss the point (again) - no, we haven't been good enough this season overrall, but it's fine margins rather than a chronic inability to be competitive.

For what it's worth, it was routinely accepted that last season we 'out-performed' our xG and that the nature of our results wasn't sustainable - you can certainly argue we were a few points better off than we might have been.

But you can't have it both ways - this season the balance has clearly swung back and it's caught up with us. I don't fundamentally believe we have been worse this season.

In fact, I believe we had a better squad, in a weaker division. And that with better management, that we could have stayed up. I think it's ok to say that whilst also recognising the inescapable truth - that we haven't.

To use your crude analogy, my auntie did have b*llocks but we lopped them off ourselves.

2 edits - when I asked AI to make a case for why Sheffield Wednesday should have stayed up, it seemed to get the number of games played wrong! So much for AI taking over the world.

As for effort, it was a cut and paste job. Please don't worry yourself.

 

[dickwalton1964]

First thing I’d do is insist he’s called Tommy not Tommi. Bit of a pet hate of mine, messing about with name spellings like this !!

 

[SteMerritt]

First thing I’d do is insist he’s called Tommy not Tommi. Bit of a pet hate of mine, messing about with name spellings like this !!

Calm down Richard.

 

[werthersoriginal]

First thing I’d do is insist he’s called Tommy not Tommi. Bit of a pet hate of mine, messing about with name spellings like this !!

Does he have a heart or a smiley face over the i?

 

[Paul Cannell]

A circonflex would be cooler these days, now that Brexit's being revoked

 

[Toe knee]

 

[dickwalton1964]

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Thomas to Tom or Tommy not a problem. Richard to Dick or Dickie no problem either but Dicki or Dickii would look a bit silly.

 

[SirAndyOfCrosby]

No issue with the name Tommi per se, but if I were to ordinarily hear of one in the wild I would assume them to be female and that it were another case of a narcissistic father feminising their own name (Danny/Danni Dyer, or Nigel/Nigella Lawson).

 

[Boris]

First thing I’d do is insist he’s called Tommy not Tommi. Bit of a pet hate of mine, messing about with name spellings like this !!

Except Tommi is his actual name, not a diminutive. You can blame the parents for that but you can't insist he calls himself anything other that Tommi (or possibly Tom)

 

[werthersoriginal]

No issue with the name Tommi per se, but if I were to ordinarily hear of one in the wild I would assume them to be female and that it were another case of a narcissistic father feminising their own name (Danny/Danni Dyer, or Nigel/Nigella Lawson).

Or he's Finnish

 

[Boris]

Or he's Finnish

He hasn't even started yet

 

[Marked Ox]

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Who uses Dickon?

 

[unification]

How do you reconcile that with the fact that, in nine games against the Top 5 this season, we've only lost twice?

How about the fact that our tally of 20 losses from 45 games is pretty respectable - more than half of the division has lost at least 18?

The only reason we are getting relegated is because we haven't got a handful more wins - wins that we could and should have achieved with a bit more backbone.

How many of our 14 draws were closer to being wins than defeats? I reckon 9. We only needed to convert two or three of them.

And that's before you account for inexplicable defeats at home to Portsmouth, or at Charlton, or at Wrexham vs 10 men.

Yes, we're down. But I refuse to subscribe to the narrative that it was inevitable or that we didn't have enough within us.

That was the most 'explicable' defeat all season. We all know why ...

 

[Boris]

Who uses Dickon?

That's what my late Mother in Law used to call her husband

 

[Foley]

True - but both Luton and Plymouth had poor starts until they got the measure of that division and both (I think!) had to strengthen in January as well as replace the numerous players that left over the summer.

Apparently

We have got to up our possession from 30% in the championship to 60/70% in league one. No more hoping for a breakaway goal on 30% but attacking 60/70 % possession

I would imagine that it will vary hugely.
So teams who simply some to get a 0 0- yes would expect 60% to 70%, but Bolton, Luton, Plymouth away?
Far too much is made on possession stats in my view. We clearly need to make a lot mord chances and score an awful lot more goals. There will be the new challenge of having to break sides down who do come to defend deeply.

 

[Orkney Islands Yellow]

 

[Matt W]

Or he's Finnish

He's only 28, no finnish