The Relegation Thread

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A thread I hope to look back on at 2.30pm on Saturday 2nd May with some embarrassment, but I'm not sure I will. Even the RadOx boys seemed resigned although not sad about it. It may well be done tonight but almost certainly by Saturday.

Overall, I'm really not too bothered by it. Every pundit predicted we'd be down there, the league was certainly strengthened by having Birmingham and Wrexham in it and we simply didn't keep pace with others. The thought of us being 'safe' at any point has never looked on.

I don't look at this as a catastrophic failure or an embarrassment. Our points total isn't akin to Derby's infamous 2007-08 season or even our own record breaking 2000-01 season where we didn't even scrape to 30 points. It's a relegation born out of not being quite good enough to finish ahead of three other sides. As relegations go, it feels rather benign. It's certainly less of an issue than 2006 was.

Relegations aren't always down to a single factor. Some will have more significance than others and others will be secondary, but all add up. As a means of understanding the season, I've tried to summarise them below.

Disappointing recruitment in the summer
The big one for me. Only two permanent deals were struck in BDK and Spencer. Five loans joined before the end of the window closing yet Luke Harris returned to Fulham in January and Krastev was sent back in February. Ben Davies has made only 11 appearances for us and Nik Prelec has played 25 times with only one goal to show for it. Not enough quality, not enough numbers in the right areas and critically overlooked the midfield - I'll come back to that.

Indonesia tour
A tour the manager didn't want. We learned little from it, didn't even win it on ploughed fields and ended up coming back with even more injuries after some robust tackles from the opposition. It generated an OUFC meme for the ages but nothing more 🦁.

Gary Rowett - overstayed his welcome?
He was the hero of 2024-25 in making us tough to beat, but something didn't feel right this season. He hated the tour as above and came across as a niggled, frustrated character at times. We hadn't recruited for him but for the club and he soon ran out of ideas ('I don't know how many drawing boards I have to go back to'). By the Charlton game after which he was sacked, he seemed to be either phoning it in, awaiting January for reinforcements or expecting the sack. Would removing him any earlier made much of a difference?

Injuries
Every team has them, granted. However, we lacked the numbers in midfield for the start of the season. If you lose a midfielder in Brannagan and you essentially only have Vaulks and BDK to call upon (Sibley was out of favour and LHarris was off too), we were done for from late December to January. This goes back to recruitment. Not enough midfielders and no #10 either - we'd lost an option in Goodhram there as well.

Positive January signings but they needed time
Four permanent signings joined (+ Nik Prelec as a loan-to-permanent) plus four loanees. It's the window we should have had in the summer. The main difference is that you have time to fine tune and practice with the squad in the summer. Give them run outs in PSFs or take advantage of the early EFL Cup game to bed them in. Nearly all started to click and find their roles but that had to be done at the expense of a near winless February.

Matt Bloomfield
Probably no ones first choice and looking likely to have another relegation on his CV in similar circumstances to that he had at Luton (although more expected this time around). We've improved slightly under him but that's mainly because we've moved the dial a touch on what we brought in over the winter. He's made errors, for sure (Norwich at home, CB as a 10 last night) but show me a manager who hasn't. I'm not piling much blame on him as we were always swimming against the tide. The questions are now if he'll be here next season and, if so, is he the man to take us forward?

Bloated squad
A sub-category for recruitment and squad building although it's worth mentioning. We've ended up with too many players. Senior players in Finlay, Goodwin, Thorniley, Kioso, Dale, Negru, Sibley and Bradshaw have all been loaned out. El Miz, Phillips and Moore left in different circumstances. That's poor recruitment and management of the squad. It's ended up being a waste of a season for GO'D and Ferdinan too.

All that said …

The good
League 1 is fun. We'll have at least one new team we've never played before (and maybe even KR's Salford too). Derbies against Reading and Wycombe plus the possibility of Swindon. It'll be a competitive league next year but won't have a Wrexham or Birmingham to skew things. EFL Trophy to play some youngsters, first and second rounds of the FA Cup for novelty away days and - above all - hopefully a chance to experience a winning feeling a bit more often.

There are no guarantees to promotion but learn from our mistakes, recruit better all round and we can succeed.

Our Championship adventure is nearly over. Let's smile that it happened and hope to do it again sooner rather than later.
 
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Part of me is relieved as it’s been a bloody hard watch week in week out on the whole.

We weren’t good enough when it mattered but I have come to the conclusion that it was completely avoidable. So frustration, and a sense of what SHOULD have been has taken over and I feel pretty saddened by it.

The money we have spent on players should have been used to enhance the team who were able to get to 53 pts in may 2025. By adding 4 or 5 key players last summer and having a bit of wiggle room in the winter would have given us a good chance together with a solid and unspectacular pre season. Instead I have listened to count of our transfer business which tells me we were throwing turd hoping some of it would stick.
Hardly any of it has.
 
It's difficult to attract the calibre of player needed with the wages we can pay. Need to somehow generate some more permissible income under PSR.

The disastrous Indonesian tour meant we had an awful start to the season as the lads were undercooked and we just never recovered.

I think that bizarrely we can spend more in League One next season under the rules so hopefully we can be strong next season to at least make the playoffs.
 
fair assessment and overview in the main @unification

a few random thoughts from me after last nights game

we arent down yet, Im still hoping a series of miracles will save our championship status-its the hope that kills you!

I still believe OUFCs level is the Championship, mid tablish too

Goals win games- we havent scored anywhere near enough this season. SHOOT on sight, some speculative shots do end up in the back of the net. Do we have a dedicated coach for striker and attacking midfielders? come on, the basics are simple, this is the ball, this is the net, put the ball in the net, score goals, win games

Why , irrespective of who the manager/head coach is, do we have the entire team defending corners and set pieces inside our own penaly area, with no outlet(s) to pick up any ball cleared? Inevitably whoever we are playing mount 2nd, 3rd and 4th attacks following the set pieces. We've conceded far too many sucker goals from recycled set pieces due to deep 'defending'

Is it in CB's contract that he takes (almost) every FK in the oppositions half, and corners too? Arent there other players in the squad capable of taking them too

MB (and Dodds too?), imposing ridiculous experiments when weve needed positive play and results ( the CB one last night simply did not work), Im not sure they are capable of doing what is required should we find ourselves in L1

Irrespective of what league we're in next season I will be renewing my ST , Oxford United are my team, the team I support, through the good times, and not so good times
 
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I wish we knew a bit more about what had happened to the summer transfer budget without having to guess.

Based on the BDK and Spencer signings on the summer and our January dealings, it seems like we had some cash to spend so it's difficult to grasp what happened with our summer dealings without having a better idea of what caused it.

The tour was a disaster. s**t pitches, s**t weather for fitness training, s**t opposition; just s**t preparation all round.

I hope there will be some sort of internal review of what went wrong, what went right (let's give credit where it's due), even if the outcome isn't made public.

I'd like to think that any football club with aspirations of being Top 30 would regularly look at whether what its doing is working or not, and where it finds areas for improvement it addresses them.

For me, the uncertainty of whether we stay up not will now be replaced by uncertainty about who stays or goes, who we get in, and how that might impact our season. And the JR outcome, of course.
 
I will miss the Championship, the media coverage is so much greater than in L1. Although with Sky Sports showing all non-3pm games, it will still make away games watchable.

I look forward to seeing games where we can play football! Have a decent amount of possession etc. Seems the last 5 months we've been hanging on.

I look forward to a quiet summer camp. No fancy tours! Back to basics!
 
Based on the BDK and Spencer signings on the summer and our January dealings, it seems like we had some cash to spend so it's difficult to grasp what happened with our summer dealings without having a better idea of what caused it.
This will be the cause of our relegation above all else for me, the manager situation is a distant second to seemingly just giving up on what seemed a positive start recruitment wise. I'm still yet to hear a reasonable explanation, there is no way that it panned out how they thought it would at the start of the season, someone fucked up somewhere, the club just won't admit who and why.
 
A thread I hope to look back on at 2.30pm on Saturday 2nd May with some embarrassment, but I'm not sure I will. Even the RadOx boys seemed resigned although not sad about it. It may well be done tonight but almost certainly by Saturday.

Overall, I'm really not too bothered by it. Every pundit predicted we'd be down there, the league was certainly strengthened by having Birmingham and Wrexham in it and we simply didn't keep pace with others. The thought of us being 'safe' at any point has never looked on.

I don't look at this as a catastrophic failure or an embarrassment. Our points total isn't akin to Derby's infamous 2007-08 season or even our own record breaking 2000-01 season where we didn't even scrape to 30 points. It's a relegation born out of not being quite good enough to finish ahead of three other sides. As relegations go, it feels rather benign. It's certainly less of an issue than 2006 was.

Relegations aren't always down to a single factor. Some will have more significance than others and others will be secondary, but all add up. As a means of understanding the season, I've tried to summarise them below.

Disappointing recruitment in the summer
The big one for me. Only two permanent deals were struck in BDK and Spencer. Fiveloans joined before the end of the window closing yet Luke Harris returned to Fulham in January and Krastev was sent back in February. Ben Davies has made only 11 appearances for us and Nik Prelec has played 25 times with only one goal to show for it. Not enough quality, not enough numbers in the right areas and critically overlooked the midfield - I'll come back to that.

Indonesia tour
A tour the manager didn't want. We learned little from it, didn't even win it on ploughed fields and ended up coming back with even more injuries after some robust tackles from the opposition. It generated an OUFC meme for the ages but nothing more 🦁.

Gary Rowett - overstayed his welcome?
He was the hero of 2024-25 in making us tough to beat, but something didn't feel right this season. He hated the tour as above and came across as a niggled, frustrated character at times. We hadn't recruited for him but for the club and he soon ran out of ideas ('I don't know how many drawing boards I have to go back to'). By the Charlton game after which he was sacked, he seemed to be either phoning it in, awaiting January for reinforcements or expecting the sack. Would removing him any earlier made much of a difference?

Injuries
Every team has them, granted. However, if you lose a midfielder in Brannagan and you essentially only have Vaulks and BDK to call upon (Sibley was out of favour and LHarris was off too), we were done for from late December to January. This goes back to recruitment. Not enough midfielders and no #10 either - we'd lost an option in Goodhram there as well.

Positive January signings but they needed time
Four permanent signings joined (+ Nik Prelec as a loan-to-permanent) plus four loanees. It's the window we should have had in the summer. The main difference is that you have time to fine tune and practice with the squad in the summer. Give them run outs in PSFs or take advantage of the early EFL Cup game to bed them in. Nearly all started to click and find their roles but that had to be done at the expense of a near winless February.

Matt Bloomfield
Probably no ones first choice and looking likely o have another relegation on his CV in similar circumstances (although more expected this time around). We've improved slightly under him but that's mainly because we've moved the dial a touch on what we brought in over the winter. He's made errors, for sure (Norwich at home, CB as a 10 last night) but show me a manager who hasn't. I'm not piling much blame on him as we were always swimming against the tide. The questions are now if he'll be here next season and, if so, is he the man to take us forward?

Bloated squad
A sub-category for recruitment and squad building although it's worth mentioning. We've ended up with too many players. Senior players in Finlay, Goodwin, Thorniley, Kioso, Dale, Negru, Sibley and Bradshaw have all been loaned out. El Miz, Phillips and Moore left in different circumstances. That's poor recruitment and management of the squad. It's ended up being a waste of a season for GO'D and Ferdinan too.

All that said

The good
League 1 is fun. We'll have at least one new team we've never played before and maybe even KR's Salford too). Derbies against Reading and Wycombe plus possibility Swindon. It'll be a competitive league next year but won't have a Wrexham or Birmingham to skew things. EFL Trophy to play some youngsters, first and second rounds of the FA Cup for novelty away days and - above all - hopefully a chance to experience a winning feeling a bit more often.

There are no guarantees to promotion but learn from our mistakes, recruit better all round and we can succeed.

Out Championship adventure is nearly over. Let's smile that it happened and hope to do it again sooner rather than later.
Great post, sums up our season.
 
I'll be there no matter what. It's a shame it hasn't worked this season but it was always a big ask and one we were never fully prepared for.

Once we're in our new stadium things might change and we'll be able to sustain ourselves more at a higher level.
 
This will be the cause of our relegation above all else for me, the manager situation is a distant second to seemingly just giving up on what seemed a positive start recruitment wise. I'm still yet to hear a reasonable explanation, there is no way that it panned out how they thought it would at the start of the season, someone fucked up somewhere, the club just won't admit who and why.

Well we won't hear any explanation for that, reasonable or otherwise.

I'm not relieved, I'm utterly pissed off.

And I'll feel that every time the tv shows me some bunch of knobheads celebrating.
 
It's difficult to attract the calibre of player needed with the wages we can pay. Need to somehow generate some more permissible income under PSR.

The disastrous Indonesian tour meant we had an awful start to the season as the lads were undercooked and we just never recovered.

I think that bizarrely we can spend more in League One next season under the rules so hopefully we can be strong next season to at least make the playoffs.
Jerome seemed to suggest on Wasn't at The Game last night that PSR would be stricter in league one. I was surprised by this, given what Bummingham Titty and Disney FC managed to spend last year.

Who knows? 🤷‍♂️
 
Jerome seemed to suggest on Wasn't at The Game last night that PSR would be stricter in league one. I was surprised by this, given what Bummingham Titty and Disney FC managed to spend last year.

Who knows? 🤷‍♂️
maybe Erik will set up an Indonesian-style Netflix type tv deal to boost our (and add to his) income?
 
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It's a result of poor recruitment over a few windows, too many players who underperformed , poor boardroom decisions,rowett should have gone earlier,I am not convinced either by Bloomfield 's team selection and his tatics,retrospectively the tour to Indonesia was a mistake , we started the season very slowly and have never really got going, it's all been a bit frustrating, I am not sure if the club has progressed in any way,,however what's the most important thing the fan base is still United in its support for the team,I really hope that the whole mindset of the team changes ,goals win games,30percent possession wins nothing.revisit
 
I'm sanguine about the whole thing to be honest. I was just around to see the relegation from the old Division 1, but 1999, 2001 and especially 2006 all felt measurably worse than now. I would compare it to 1994...deservedly down but with a clear direction of what was to be done to get back up.

It is still a shame how it has come about though...we weren't miles off it this season and should have really given it a better go.
 
I've got to say, 7/1 odds for a Sheffield Wednesday win on the weekend. Looks like good value if you fancy a flutter...

A team who we have beaten twice in just over a year, who haven't won since September, who have only won one game all season, who are bottom and have been relegated for ages. Those are quite stingy odds. Probably be a draw.
 
Good to have a cathartic/venting thread for this. Thanks @unification. Couple of quick builds...

The Indonesia tour was a general disaster as mentioned but the outrageous assault and injury to BDK is worth highlighting in particular. His absence was a direct contributor to our bad start. It completely derailed us having spent the whole pre-season preparing to play with him as a controlling force in the middle. He wasn't signed as the only answer to our midfield woes but was the early marquee signing we hoped to bed in and build around. The opening day home defeat against a bang average Pompey then limp away defeat at Hull with him absent, no other midfield re-enforcements in the building and off the back of a heavily disrupted training schedule can all be attributed to that stupid tour.

The budget shenanigans were preceded by late accounts and PSR projections being filed with the EFL in April. This should have been a routine but mandatory task to assure the EFL that our current spending and future business plan was realistic and within acceptable parameters. We were late. Then begged for even more time. We scampered to get them over a few weeks later and were lucky to escape a sanction given our track record. Then, a few more weeks down the line, the budget was adjusted and the financial tap turned off for the football department. Just saying...
 
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Jerome seemed to suggest on Wasn't at The Game last night that PSR would be stricter in league one. I was surprised by this, given what Bummingham Titty and Disney FC managed to spend last year.

Who knows? 🤷‍♂️
I heard Jerome's comment and thought it strange as teams in League One operate under the Salary Cost Management Protocol (SCMP), not PSR.

A club's wage bill is restricted to 60%(?) of revenue but owners can make non-refundable share issues to increase the allowable wage limit.

Should we go down and with the speculation of us having a low wage bill by Championship standards, we might not be that badly affected - Leicester almost certainly will be.
 
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I heard Jerome's comment and thought it strange as teams in League One operate under the Salary Cost Management Protocol (SCMP), not PSR.

A club's wage bill is restricted to 60%(?) of revenue but owners can make non-refundable share issues to increase the allowable wage limit.

Should we go down and the speculation of us having a liw wage bill by Championship standards, we might not be as badly affected as Leicester almost certainly will be.
Yeah. Quite a few options to jerrymander in L1. Had we stayed up PSR would have been a pretty major issue next season though (despite what Tim said at the fans forum).
 
Jerome seemed to suggest on Wasn't at The Game last night that PSR would be stricter in league one. I was surprised by this, given what Bummingham Titty and Disney FC managed to spend last year.

Who knows? 🤷‍♂️
In Championship has Profitability and Sustainability Rules, it is around cumulative losses over a 3 year period.
In L1/L2 has Salary Cost Management Protocol, squad costs (player/coach wages, amortized transfers, and agent fees) can't be more than 60% of annual turnover (75% for U's as a newly relegated club to L1, 50% in L2). Given I believe our ratio is somewhere over 100% it could be hard as turnover is going to drop.
 
I heard Jerome's comment and thought it strange as teams in League One operate under the Salary Cost Management Protocol (SCMP), not PSR.

A club's wage bill is restricted to 60%(?) of revenue but owners can make non-refundable share issues to increase the allowable wage limit.

Should we go down and the speculation of us having a liw wage bill by Championship standards, we might not be as badly affected as Leicester almost certainly will be.
is 60% in L1 apart for clubs newly relegated from the Championship where it is 75%.
 
A team who we have beaten twice in just over a year, who haven't won since September, who have only won one game all season, who are bottom and have been relegated for ages. Those are quite stingy odds. Probably be a draw.
if ( BIG IF) we can beat owls, it would be our first double during last and this season in the championship
 
A thread I hope to look back on at 2.30pm on Saturday 2nd May with some embarrassment, but I'm not sure I will. Even the RadOx boys seemed resigned although not sad about it. It may well be done tonight but almost certainly by Saturday.

Overall, I'm really not too bothered by it. Every pundit predicted we'd be down there, the league was certainly strengthened by having Birmingham and Wrexham in it and we simply didn't keep pace with others. The thought of us being 'safe' at any point has never looked on.

I don't look at this as a catastrophic failure or an embarrassment. Our points total isn't akin to Derby's infamous 2007-08 season or even our own record breaking 2000-01 season where we didn't even scrape to 30 points. It's a relegation born out of not being quite good enough to finish ahead of three other sides. As relegations go, it feels rather benign. It's certainly less of an issue than 2006 was.

Relegations aren't always down to a single factor. Some will have more significance than others and others will be secondary, but all add up. As a means of understanding the season, I've tried to summarise them below.

Disappointing recruitment in the summer
The big one for me. Only two permanent deals were struck in BDK and Spencer. Fiveloans joined before the end of the window closing yet Luke Harris returned to Fulham in January and Krastev was sent back in February. Ben Davies has made only 11 appearances for us and Nik Prelec has played 25 times with only one goal to show for it. Not enough quality, not enough numbers in the right areas and critically overlooked the midfield - I'll come back to that.

Indonesia tour
A tour the manager didn't want. We learned little from it, didn't even win it on ploughed fields and ended up coming back with even more injuries after some robust tackles from the opposition. It generated an OUFC meme for the ages but nothing more 🦁.

Gary Rowett - overstayed his welcome?
He was the hero of 2024-25 in making us tough to beat, but something didn't feel right this season. He hated the tour as above and came across as a niggled, frustrated character at times. We hadn't recruited for him but for the club and he soon ran out of ideas ('I don't know how many drawing boards I have to go back to'). By the Charlton game after which he was sacked, he seemed to be either phoning it in, awaiting January for reinforcements or expecting the sack. Would removing him any earlier made much of a difference?

Injuries
Every team has them, granted. However, if you lose a midfielder in Brannagan and you essentially only have Vaulks and BDK to call upon (Sibley was out of favour and LHarris was off too), we were done for from late December to January. This goes back to recruitment. Not enough midfielders and no #10 either - we'd lost an option in Goodhram there as well.

Positive January signings but they needed time
Four permanent signings joined (+ Nik Prelec as a loan-to-permanent) plus four loanees. It's the window we should have had in the summer. The main difference is that you have time to fine tune and practice with the squad in the summer. Give them run outs in PSFs or take advantage of the early EFL Cup game to bed them in. Nearly all started to click and find their roles but that had to be done at the expense of a near winless February.

Matt Bloomfield
Probably no ones first choice and looking likely to have another relegation on his CV in similar circumstances (although more expected this time around). We've improved slightly under him but that's mainly because we've moved the dial a touch on what we brought in over the winter. He's made errors, for sure (Norwich at home, CB as a 10 last night) but show me a manager who hasn't. I'm not piling much blame on him as we were always swimming against the tide. The questions are now if he'll be here next season and, if so, is he the man to take us forward?

Bloated squad
A sub-category for recruitment and squad building although it's worth mentioning. We've ended up with too many players. Senior players in Finlay, Goodwin, Thorniley, Kioso, Dale, Negru, Sibley and Bradshaw have all been loaned out. El Miz, Phillips and Moore left in different circumstances. That's poor recruitment and management of the squad. It's ended up being a waste of a season for GO'D and Ferdinan too.

All that said …

The good
League 1 is fun. We'll have at least one new team we've never played before (and maybe even KR's Salford too). Derbies against Reading and Wycombe plus the possibility of Swindon. It'll be a competitive league next year but won't have a Wrexham or Birmingham to skew things. EFL Trophy to play some youngsters, first and second rounds of the FA Cup for novelty away days and - above all - hopefully a chance to experience a winning feeling a bit more often.

There are no guarantees to promotion but learn from our mistakes, recruit better all round and we can succeed.

Out Championship adventure is nearly over. Let's smile that it happened and hope to do it again sooner rather than later.
Excellent post with the quality I always expect from the @unification brand
 
If (haha) we do go down, one positive (possibly the only one) for me is the likelihood of seeing some of the Academy players involved in first team games. There are a few on the edge of the squad who wouldn't get a look in at Championship level: Snowden, Griffiths, Lacey, Golding, Johnson (if he can get past his injury problems), maybe even Burton, Abolade and Missanga. Probably a couple I've missed too. Plus, if Ingram is released, I wonder how good Pricey thinks Monty Marriott or Ajae Patel are and if they could step up. Interesting times ahead
 
Overall, I'm really not too bothered by it. Every pundit predicted we'd be down there,

I've seen you put this out there a few times, I don't really get your point?

Is it that some washed up ex-pro like Don Goodman, or a youtubing Benjamin Button (or whatever he's called) have some greater insight into our football club than our own supporters?

We finished 17th last season. That is a fact. For all your Wrexham and Birmingham chat we've still seen a honking Charlton, threadbare Portsmouth, basket-case Blackburn plus multiple points deductions to boot.

I don't think anyone expected a top half finish but an incremental improvement on last season was absolutely achievable and the whole 'Oxford United were always relegation fodder' is such a lazy narrative from anyone, let alone our own supporters.
 
If (haha) we do go down, one positive (possibly the only one) for me is the likelihood of seeing some of the Academy players involved in first team games. There are a few on the edge of the squad who wouldn't get a look in at Championship level: Snowden, Griffiths, Lacey, Golding, Johnson (if he can get past his injury problems), maybe even Burton, Abolade and Missanga. Probably a couple I've missed too. Plus, if Ingram is released, I wonder how good Pricey thinks Monty Marriott or Ajae Patel are and if they could step up. Interesting times ahead
I was thinking along the same lines funnily enough , Elliot-Wheeler as well who I hope along with others will be in the squad getting playing time .
Bringing through and crucially giving our younsters a chance has to be our way forward I hope.
 
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