The real living wage.

Like I said that is just life, we all get dealt different cards.
What would have impressed me is if the person winning the race had blasted through from the back.
You make your own way & your own choices.
 
That fundamentally is NOT what the film was trying to show. Those 'at the back' lacked advantage (stable home life, fees for tutoring, access to private education etc), none of which was their fault as individuals. Their circumstances were nothing to do with choices they themselves made, but those circumstances did affect the path their lives took.

You don`t live in the past you strive for the future.
There is nothing to stop any of those people improving their "lot".
I get that their start was not as easy as others but you don`t/shouldn`t let that hold you back.
 
Disagree! How you're brought up can affect your life chances. The more advantages you have as a child, the more likely you are to 'succeed' in life, although 'succeed' will inevitably mean different things to different people. Better education = better job prospects = better chance to accumulate wealth.

Of course there are plenty of examples of people from poorer backgrounds doing well in life, but I would suggest they are anomalies and generally the privileged do better overall.

Reminds of a guy I was talking to many years ago whilst in New York. He said he was sick of ghetto people moaning about their lot, and that if they didn't like their current life they should get on a bus, move out to a better neighbourhood and get a decent job. He held the view that everyone was in control of their destiny, but was unable to explain in practical terms how these improvements could be achieved. It's stuck with me ever since.

I would add that better education, well private education, in some cases can also provide contacts/networks that boost your job prospects.
 
Disagree! How you're brought up can affect your life chances. The more advantages you have as a child, the more likely you are to 'succeed' in life, although 'succeed' will inevitably mean different things to different people. Better education = better job prospects = better chance to accumulate wealth.

Of course there are plenty of examples of people from poorer backgrounds doing well in life, but I would suggest they are anomalies and generally the privileged do better overall.

Reminds of a guy I was talking to many years ago whilst in New York. He said he was sick of ghetto people moaning about their lot, and that if they didn't like their current life they should get on a bus, move out to a better neighbourhood and get a decent job. He held the view that everyone was in control of their destiny, but was unable to explain in practical terms how these improvements could be achieved. It's stuck with me ever since.

I`ll say it again.
Someone is at the top, someone is at the bottom.....all our lives are different.
Of course being born to wealthy parents "helps" that`s the luck of the draw but even "poor parents" can instill some virtues of work hard, learn, better yourself.
In practical terms? So you leave school with a poorer education, you get a job, you save,you invest, you work at improving yourself, you achieve...the only limitations to that are judgement and a splash of luck!
Compare it to what "we" are doing now................... university is almost mandatory for many yet the qualifications are barely worth the paper they are written on. Yet, barely 35 years ago, my sister was the first person in our family to ever go to University.
I left school with a motley array of CSE`s & GCSE`s.............. now, at 53, I`m doing a degree course in Management!

Never give up pursuing a dream..............the only person holding you back is you!
 
I`ll say it again.
Someone is at the top, someone is at the bottom.....all our lives are different.

That is certainly true. But that does not mean that if you are at the 'top' you should not care about those at the 'bottom' - in fact if you have worked your way up then surely you would be sympathetic to those trying to better themselves? Perhaps people who are doing all the right things, but just haven't had that 'splash of luck'? Because if the main aim is just to acquire wealth and if that's at the expense of other people (by paying them as little as you can get away with, probably with short term contracts and a miserly pension), then who cares - it's all a bit hollow. IMO of course.
 
They say that you should always be nice to people on your way up as wil meet the same people on you way down.
 
I would add that better education, well private education, in some cases can also provide contacts/networks that boost your job prospects.
Funnily enough I agree with this statement but the 3 people I know who went to private school all work in manual labour/basic jobs.

They came from familys of 'new money' and being forced to go to private school as it was a bit of a badge of honour. What happened was the effort wasn't put in at home and it was assumed private school would whip out someone who would end up a doctor or lawyer.

There are fantastic opportunities that come with being privately educated but it doesn't always equal automatic success.
 
I was watching the Martin Lewis presentations on TV recently and he said hard work played a major part in being successful. He also mentioned there was a key part to doing very well and that was luck.
A number of my clients attend private schools and have parents who are especially well off. They all seem to be nice people, and have a drive to get on. If they have a particular interest it is nurtured, for example, golf, orienteering, squash etc. Specialist tutors to assist in chess. One particular guy I know there can play many games simultaneously blindfold.
There is certainly not equality of opportunity, and that is one of the reasons why there will always be a sharp division in wealth.
If an analysis of the MPs in the House of Commons is carried out is shows that many of its members succeed largely because their parents also did well there. Many of todays footballers have done well because their fathers did too, and they all have their network they can rely on.
I went to school in Oxford, living in Cowley and Headington, and have done reasonably well, but struggled at first. I’ve been in contact with some I knew years ago in Cowley, and not many have had the opportunities. One has ended up in prison twice, one died from a heroin overdose, two others have drifted into poorly paid jobs.
Background pays a key part, and it’s often not what you know but who you know
 
I would add that better education, well private education, in some cases can also provide contacts/networks that boost your job prospects.


The old (public) school tie network and membership of societys ( such as the Bullingdon club/ aka riot club) when at Uni' certainly helps some from more affluent & privileged backgrounds 'get on' in life ...,. as does being a member of the funny handshakes mob too, so Im led to believe ? :oops:
 
So how many folk expressing outrage on here subscribe to Sky?

"A sport once the pride of the working man is now the ugliest, most grotesque example of corporate greed and and the ever growing divide between rich and poor."

You reap what you sow............
 
So how many folk expressing outrage on here subscribe to Sky?

"A sport once the pride of the working man is now the ugliest, most grotesque example of corporate greed and and the ever growing divide between rich and poor."

You reap what you sow............
Not me (subscribing to sky or sky sport that is)
 
So how many folk expressing outrage on here subscribe to Sky?

"A sport once the pride of the working man is now the ugliest, most grotesque example of corporate greed and and the ever growing divide between rich and poor."

You reap what you sow............

Not I.
 
I don't subscribe to Sky or any Murdoch media outlet. And I'm somewhat outraged.
 
Not me either.

But to suggest that Sky is the reason is a bit simplistic IMO. Yes, they are offering the money, but it is the Prem league and the clubs within it that are doing their absolute damnedest to ensure that as much of the money as possible is retained up there and as little as possible flows down to the rest of the pyramid.
 
So how many folk expressing outrage on here subscribe to Sky?

"A sport once the pride of the working man is now the ugliest, most grotesque example of corporate greed and and the ever growing divide between rich and poor."

You reap what you sow............

I don't have a Sky subscription, but I would be surprised if, on taking one out, there was a mandatory tick box that said 'ticking this box will mean you can't demand football clubs in the Premier League clubs pay a living wage'.
 
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