General The problem with success

Wandering Yellow

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I'm not really sure where to post this thread, so I decided to put it in the boardroom section, admins, feel free to move it!

Let me just start this thread by saying I would absolutely love it if we got promoted this season, and of course I desperately want us to win every single game.

But, I'd be lying if I said I didn't have some concerns about what on-the-pitch success could bring.

Problem One: Ticket prices

This one doesn't concern me too much, as I still think I could afford to go to games in the Championship/PL if we got there, but it would become more expensive and some fans might draw the line. Weren't Leeds United charging away fans close to £50? I wouldn't pay that just on the principal of it. Away tickets in the PL are capped at £30 (why there isn't caps in the football league is beyond me) but the price of tickets at Premier League teams is ridiculous.

Problem Two: Disconnect

This is a bit of a strange one, but I feel the higher up the leagues you go the more of a disconnect you feel between yourself and the club you support. I'm guessing fewer local lads we currently have could cut it at higher leagues, and they are the players a lot of fans feel a connection with. A mercenary player on £60,000 pounds a week would be harder to love for me (and I stress for me, maybe I'm weird)

I love the fact we are bringing through players from the academy and have local players in the team. I would hate to lose this.

Problem Three: VAR

Currently just in the Premier League, but it wouldn't surprise me if it found its way to the Championship. I think this is the one thing that would, sadly, just see me stop attending live matches although it would kill me. Michail Antonio said last night he doesn't want to celebrate goals anymore because of VAR. I attend football for an escape from life, hoping for that moment of elation of a last minute winner. Even if they somehow "fix" VAR to actually work, it takes this moment away, I couldn't justify keep spending money to go to games as it just depresses me. I've been to games officiated with VAR, and let me tell you, it's awful. A ref running to a little screen to look at a slow motion replay because a players foot may have been "dangerous" in a tackle? forget it, I'm out.

Problem Four: Commercialisation

I just want to turn up at the football, have a pint, watch my team, and go home. I don't want a cannon firing t-shirts into the crowd, cheerleaders, "light shows" and all the other Americanised crap Premier League teams often do these days. I don't want to sit next to someone with a foam finger who doesn't know who any of the players are. I want to stand next to a lad called Darren who is 5 pints deep and screams for KR to put Agyei on.

As I say, I would love promotion and this football club to do as well as possible. It's just I can't pretend I don't have some niggling concerns about being taken over by billionaires who take us on a "journey." I look at a club like AFC Bournemouth and just see them as a bit of a soulless joke, spending £20m on average players on silly wages, their entire crowd sat down at games in near silence. I would hate that to be us.

To be honest, I'd rather be in league one, in the Jim Smith Stand, newly turned into a safe-standing terrace, singing chants led by the ultras who have come back bigger and better.

Feel free to tell me I'm a pessimistic idiot, but I'd be interested in other fans views on how they would feel if Oxford ever did get to the Championship/PL
 

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I wouldn’t mind cheerleaders not as a sexist thing but I quite enjoy the ones at palace 😝
Light shows they can add to the atmosphere again I quite like how wolves do them
£60,000 players no thank you would much rather Sam long josh ruffles Matty Taylor our own lads
Ticket prices do concern me because it’s not just me to buy for I have 3 boys aswel so could be very expensive but I’d find the cash to support my team
 

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I wouldn’t mind cheerleaders not as a sexist thing but I quite enjoy the ones at palace 😝
Light shows they can add to the atmosphere again I quite like how wolves do them
£60,000 players no thank you would much rather Sam long josh ruffles Matty Taylor our own lads
Ticket prices do concern me because it’s not just me to buy for I have 3 boys aswel so could be very expensive but I’d find the cash to support my team
The light shows come with new LED lighting systems - I believe the one at Spurs cost well over £1million.
 

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I wouldn’t mind cheerleaders not as a sexist thing but I quite enjoy the ones at palace 😝
Light shows they can add to the atmosphere again I quite like how wolves do them
£60,000 players no thank you would much rather Sam long josh ruffles Matty Taylor our own lads
Ticket prices do concern me because it’s not just me to buy for I have 3 boys aswel so could be very expensive but I’d find the cash to support my team

10 - 15 Kelly Brookes prancing around the pitch at half time would suit me. It would certainly put a stop to me going out for a half time cigarette.
 

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I'm not really sure where to post this thread, so I decided to put it in the boardroom section, admins, feel free to move it!

Let me just start this thread by saying I would absolutely love it if we got promoted this season, and of course I desperately want us to win every single game.

But, I'd be lying if I said I didn't have some concerns about what on-the-pitch success could bring.

Problem One: Ticket prices

This one doesn't concern me too much, as I still think I could afford to go to games in the Championship/PL if we got there, but it would become more expensive and some fans might draw the line. Weren't Leeds United charging away fans close to £50? I wouldn't pay that just on the principal of it. Away tickets in the PL are capped at £30 (why there isn't caps in the football league is beyond me) but the price of tickets at Premier League teams is ridiculous.

Problem Two: Disconnect

This is a bit of a strange one, but I feel the higher up the leagues you go the more of a disconnect you feel between yourself and the club you support. I'm guessing fewer local lads we currently have could cut it at higher leagues, and they are the players a lot of fans feel a connection with. A mercenary player on £60,000 pounds a week would be harder to love for me (and I stress for me, maybe I'm weird)

I love the fact we are bringing through players from the academy and have local players in the team. I would hate to lose this.

Problem Three: VAR

Currently just in the Premier League, but it wouldn't surprise me if it found its way to the Championship. I think this is the one thing that would, sadly, just see me stop attending live matches although it would kill me. Michail Antonio said last night he doesn't want to celebrate goals anymore because of VAR. I attend football for an escape from life, hoping for that moment of elation of a last minute winner. Even if they somehow "fix" VAR to actually work, it takes this moment away, I couldn't justify keep spending money to go to games as it just depresses me. I've been to games officiated with VAR, and let me tell you, it's awful. A ref running to a little screen to look at a slow motion replay because a players foot may have been "dangerous" in a tackle? forget it, I'm out.

Problem Four: Commercialisation

I just want to turn up at the football, have a pint, watch my team, and go home. I don't want a cannon firing t-shirts into the crowd, cheerleaders, "light shows" and all the other Americanised crap Premier League teams often do these days. I don't want to sit next to someone with a foam finger who doesn't know who any of the players are. I want to stand next to a lad called Darren who is 5 pints deep and screams for KR to put Agyei on.

As I say, I would love promotion and this football club to do as well as possible. It's just I can't pretend I don't have some niggling concerns about being taken over by billionaires who take us on a "journey." I look at a club like AFC Bournemouth and just see them as a bit of a soulless joke, spending £20m on average players on silly wages, their entire crowd sat down at games in near silence. I would hate that to be us.

To be honest, I'd rather be in league one, in the Jim Smith Stand, newly turned into a safe-standing terrace, singing chants led by the ultras who have come back bigger and better.

Feel free to tell me I'm a pessimistic idiot, but I'd be interested in other fans views on how they would feel if Oxford ever did get to the Championship/PL
Well I wouldn’t worry too much. You could say that our ultimate dream might be to be as good as Southampton, who still seem relatively down to earth. I’m glad I don’t sit next to Darren TBH
 

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As a fan of a German club that has for the first time in its history reached the "promised land" of the Bundesliga just two seasons back, you shouldn't worry too much about the club becoming a capitalist monster. It is perfectly possible to keep your standards and morals.

Better players, better ground and better football as well.
 

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in 19/20 season 13 Championship clubs had away ticket prices at £30 or more.
The Football League MUST sort this out. First of all its outrageous profiteering and second of all when the Premier League is capped at £30 it just highlights the ridiculousness.
 

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Well I wouldn’t worry too much. You could say that our ultimate dream might be to be as good as Southampton, who still seem relatively down to earth. I’m glad I don’t sit next to Darren TBH
I'd rather a ground full of Darrens than a ground full of people sucking on a werthers original ;)

I guess we have the ready-made solution in the East Stand South Stand divide.
 

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As a fan of a German club that has for the first time in its history reached the "promised land" of the Bundesliga just two seasons back, you shouldn't worry too much about the club becoming a capitalist monster. It is perfectly possible to keep your standards and morals.

Better players, better ground and better football as well.
Union certainly have over-performed (and hopefully they can keep it going),
In 19/20 they had the 2nd lowest average player salary in the Bundesliga (and that was around a third less than the lowest Prem club Sheff Utd)
 

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The Football League MUST sort this out. First of all its outrageous profiteering and second of all when the Premier League is capped at £30 it just highlights the ridiculousness.
I’ve believed for a long time that there should be a ticket price cap depending o. What league you are in from the premier league down to league 2.
For example:
Premier League £30
Championship £25
League 1 £20
League 2 £15

They want to put in a salary cap for players so why not a ticket price cap?
 

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I'm not really sure where to post this thread, so I decided to put it in the boardroom section, admins, feel free to move it!

Let me just start this thread by saying I would absolutely love it if we got promoted this season, and of course I desperately want us to win every single game.

But, I'd be lying if I said I didn't have some concerns about what on-the-pitch success could bring.

Problem One: Ticket prices

This one doesn't concern me too much, as I still think I could afford to go to games in the Championship/PL if we got there, but it would become more expensive and some fans might draw the line. Weren't Leeds United charging away fans close to £50? I wouldn't pay that just on the principal of it. Away tickets in the PL are capped at £30 (why there isn't caps in the football league is beyond me) but the price of tickets at Premier League teams is ridiculous.

Problem Two: Disconnect

This is a bit of a strange one, but I feel the higher up the leagues you go the more of a disconnect you feel between yourself and the club you support. I'm guessing fewer local lads we currently have could cut it at higher leagues, and they are the players a lot of fans feel a connection with. A mercenary player on £60,000 pounds a week would be harder to love for me (and I stress for me, maybe I'm weird)

I love the fact we are bringing through players from the academy and have local players in the team. I would hate to lose this.

Problem Three: VAR

Currently just in the Premier League, but it wouldn't surprise me if it found its way to the Championship. I think this is the one thing that would, sadly, just see me stop attending live matches although it would kill me. Michail Antonio said last night he doesn't want to celebrate goals anymore because of VAR. I attend football for an escape from life, hoping for that moment of elation of a last minute winner. Even if they somehow "fix" VAR to actually work, it takes this moment away, I couldn't justify keep spending money to go to games as it just depresses me. I've been to games officiated with VAR, and let me tell you, it's awful. A ref running to a little screen to look at a slow motion replay because a players foot may have been "dangerous" in a tackle? forget it, I'm out.

Problem Four: Commercialisation

I just want to turn up at the football, have a pint, watch my team, and go home. I don't want a cannon firing t-shirts into the crowd, cheerleaders, "light shows" and all the other Americanised crap Premier League teams often do these days. I don't want to sit next to someone with a foam finger who doesn't know who any of the players are. I want to stand next to a lad called Darren who is 5 pints deep and screams for KR to put Agyei on.

As I say, I would love promotion and this football club to do as well as possible. It's just I can't pretend I don't have some niggling concerns about being taken over by billionaires who take us on a "journey." I look at a club like AFC Bournemouth and just see them as a bit of a soulless joke, spending £20m on average players on silly wages, their entire crowd sat down at games in near silence. I would hate that to be us.

To be honest, I'd rather be in league one, in the Jim Smith Stand, newly turned into a safe-standing terrace, singing chants led by the ultras who have come back bigger and better.

Feel free to tell me I'm a pessimistic idiot, but I'd be interested in other fans views on how they would feel if Oxford ever did get to the Championship/PL

Was speaking to a Palace supporting friend about this. He attends less when they are in the PL and enjoys it less. He says it's weird because you instinctively want your team to win each game but...

I honestly don't know how I'd feel if we got to the PL, but I'm pretty certain I could handle promotion to the Championship!
 
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