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The Karl Robinson years at OUFC are difficult to analyse.

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Last season we started with a 1-1-5 league record in our first seven games, so similar to this season's 1-2-4. After 12 games our record was 1-3-8 and I must admit I was one of many calling for his head. Then last season we finished with an impressive 8-3-2 run and it seemed possible, with a modicum of improvement to the squad, we could be promotion challengers in 2019/20.

So what happened? A handful of decent performances to start don't seem to be continuing. Both defence and attack are getting flak and some formations are bemusing. The squad has certainly changed and it's reasonable to say we have some talented individuals, but are we stronger than we were last May?

I promised myself at the end of last season I'd be behind KR, and he deserves more time to turn things around (again), but I'm finding OUFC as bemusing as the Brexit debacle at the moment.
 
It is depressing that nearly all the pre-season enthusiasm has already evaporated.

How soon before those post match interviews turn to the farcical status of last season?
Well today's wasn't far away. Apparently we were 'in control of the game'. I'll leave it to those who actually saw the game to comment definitively, but from what I heard on RadOx that is an 'optimistic' view of the game!
 
Certainly a sense of déjà vu, but still early days. We are better than our current league position suggests but some of the claims on here that we could realistically have a tilt at the autos is clearly wide of the mark.
 
We are better than our current league position suggests...
Hmm, well I'd say that we are EXACTLY as good as our current league position suggests, because the table simply shows exactly how many points we've actually won (and don't look in that 'goals conceded' column - ouch).

We might improve as a player here and there gets fit but every club always has injuries here and there - it's an excuse that will only wash for so long - and we will get other/different injuries and suspensions as the season goes on. The aim of the game is to win matches, not to look good while losing them. Our start last season was a disaster area, and somehow the club has managed to just about replicate it.
 
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Well today's wasn't far away. Apparently we were 'in control of the game'. I'll leave it to those who actually saw the game to comment definitively, but from what I heard on RadOx that is an 'optimistic' view of the game!
I was there ZTH and we were second best.
There was nothing in that performance that makes me think we'll rise up the table!!
 
I was there ZTH and we were second best.
There was nothing in that performance that makes me think we'll rise up the table!!

Yep, pretty uninspiring but have had more decent performances than bad.

I know Agyei, Taylor, Fosu, Thorne all currently unfit but we had the same last season. At some point we need to adapt to the players available rather than trying to show horn everyone in.

KR has some big decisions to make
 
not sure why so much doom and gloom on here,we wern't that bad..Everyone has known for a while where we're lacking.
Those saying about negative subs, Long came on and Cadden could stay forward as had been putting in some fair crosses,they got their 2nd and then we brought on Fosu who was fouled at every opportunity.
Both sides had spells dominating possession and there was very little between the sides to be honest.
 
not sure why so much doom and gloom on here,we wern't that bad..Everyone has known for a while where we're lacking.
Well yes, and those things (fit goal-scoring strikers, proper pace out wide, a Mous/Hashi type midfielder for example) are STILL what we are lacking. And the transfer window has closed without the right signings being made (IMO). And as a result, the team is leaking goals, unable to hold on to a lead or a draw and has one win in 7 league games. Hopefully we will get the six points we need against Tranmere and Bolton to get the season started...
Get the proper strikers and Fosu fit, play Mous in defensive midfield, keep giving Baptisite more time (not on the bloody wing) and (unfortunately) leave Robbie Hall in the dressing room.
 
TEAMFROMTOGAMESWONDRAWNLOST
Oxford22 Mar, 2018Present79282229

By my reckoning (near enough without the decimal points) that's a 35% win ratio (28% draws, 37% losses)

Which (of our recent managers who have done more than a few games) is better than Clotet at 33% (close though!), but both Wilder and Appleton are up around the 45% mark and even Darren Patterson is up over 40%.

(table from Soccerbase, other stats from Wiki)
 
We seem incapable of retaining possession anywhere on the pitch, in midfield today we were completely overrun most of the game, unable to build any pressure on the opposition. We wait until the last minute to recruit and then are surprised players are not match fit. KR continually changes the makeup of the team so we are normally a goal down before the team start to gel on match day, we are already playing catch up.
 
TEAMFROMTOGAMESWONDRAWNLOST
Oxford22 Mar, 2018Present79282229

By my reckoning (near enough without the decimal points) that's a 35% win ratio (28% draws, 37% losses)

Which (of our recent managers who have done more than a few games) is better than Clotet at 33% (close though!), but both Wilder and Appleton are up around the 45% mark and even Darren Patterson is up over 40%.

(table from Soccerbase, other stats from Wiki)
But those other managers got the results in lower leagues, so the comparison isn't quite level.
However that said, a 35% win ratio isn't good enough. I hope that things will turn around much more quickly than last season. I think we have the squad for it, just not always getting the best out of them
 
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Most disappointing for me is that he took over and had 12/13 matches etc to see what was required with the most obvious need being a couple of centre forwards....I was amazed when Jon Obika started last season as our main man.
This summer we all knew an experienced centre back and a couple of centre forwards required. We start with Mous and Mackie.
No loan players came back for various reasons.
We pushed the boat out to sign Cadden and while Woodburn is a talent we had Henry and Sykes for the 10 role....I hope that Aygei and Taylor ( along with Moore) all come good and the season starts with Tranmere Sat but worry we take on players /focus on other teams youngsters and help them rather than get players who WANT to really play for us.
 
But those other managers got the results in lower leagues, so the comparison isn't quite level.
No, not quite I agree. But then when we were (for example) in the Conference we didn't have a team full of L1 standard players, we had a team that was generally of the standard we were playing. Maybe somewhat better perhaps because I am sure we had a better budget than Stafford or Histon, but I don't think you can discount a manager's win percentages entirely because of the difference in levels.
As you say though - comparisons or not - 35% is simply not good enough (and this season is currently running at 14% as far as the league is concerned).
 
After the day of the Taylor & Thorne signings, I dare say that a lot of us were dreaming of the Top Six. But a lot of that confidence and enthusiasm has certainly drained away over the past month.

Yes, we completely dominated and should have thumped Blackpool; the Rovers game was pretty even, and on another day we could have gotten something there.
But, from my perspective, we were very much second best against both Burton & Fleetwood, and were deservedly beaten by both of them.

If I was trying to look for something to mitigate the doom and gloom, I might point out that we've so far played the teams that lie 2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th, 9th, 10th & 13th in the table. It's been a tough start to the season and we probably haven't played any of the likely relegation candidates yet.
Three of our next four games are against teams that have struggled out the gate, so we'll have a much better idea of where we really stand when we reach the end of September.

However - if we've got any ambitions to even threaten the Top Six this season, then it goes without saying that we've got to be picking up more points against the division's good teams as well.

Meanwhile, only Southend and (for obvious reasons) Bolton have a worse defensive record than us so far - we're shipping on average more than two goals a game! Did we spend too much time and effort over the summer piecing together a deep and capable attack, but not enough time and effort piecing together a good League One-caliber rearguard?
 
After the day of the Taylor & Thorne signings, I dare say that a lot of us were dreaming of the Top Six. But a lot of that confidence and enthusiasm has certainly drained away over the past month.

Yes, we completely dominated and should have thumped Blackpool; the Rovers game was pretty even, and on another day we could have gotten something there.
But, from my perspective, we were very much second best against both Burton & Fleetwood, and were deservedly beaten by both of them.

If I was trying to look for something to mitigate the doom and gloom, I might point out that we've so far played the teams that lie 2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th, 9th, 10th & 13th in the table. It's been a tough start to the season and we probably haven't played any of the likely relegation candidates yet.
Three of our next four games are against teams that have struggled out the gate, so we'll have a much better idea of where we really stand when we reach the end of September.

However - if we've got any ambitions to even threaten the Top Six this season, then it goes without saying that we've got to be picking up more points against the division's good teams as well.

Meanwhile, only Southend and (for obvious reasons) Bolton have a worse defensive record than us so far - we're shipping on average more than two goals a game! Did we spend too much time and effort over the summer piecing together a deep and capable attack, but not enough time and effort piecing together a good League One-caliber rearguard?
Yes
 
I have to say that I actually feel much better about this season than I did last. Not because I expect more good results than last time, or because I think we’ve got a much better squad (I don’t think we’ve replaced the likes of Nelson, Whyte or Browne with players as good as they were, but I also don’t think we had a striker as good as Taylor or a centre midfielder as good as Brannagan has seemingly become in the last few months either, so it’s swings and roundabouts).

It’s because there are now no excuses. Our owners and our manager have been here for 18 months, had more than 60 league games at the helm and three full transfer windows to sort the squad out. The club has also had half a dozen winding up petitions to learn from and finally got the training ground to a point where it isn’t a building site, which should have given us a much more peaceful pre-season with far better preparation environments. On the face of it, this season is geared up to be better than last in an awful lot of ways. We’ve had nothing thrown at us apart from reassuring statements and strong messaging affirming how everything is amazing and rosy, both from the club and their cheerleaders, and as such expectations are high. Why not? Let’s have a damn good go, I say. Even if we don’t finish top six, we should be in the top half of the table for virtually the entire season, you’d expect. There’s certainly no way a repeat of last season’s horrific start could be justified, nor another season where most of it is spent in and around the drop zone. The board have also given the manager a new three year contract, so seemingly we now know exactly where we are. Whatever anyone thinks of this, that or the other on any of the matters mentioned above, the club seems to be saying that it knows exactly what it wants, where it thinks it’s going and how it believes it’s going to get there. And the people involved have had enough time to not only be able, but probably to be expected, to know those things and start getting them right.

So I say to those concerned: crack on. Get on with it and show everybody how good you are, and how knowledgable you are. Prove that you know better than anybody else. Because if you do, it’s happy days for anybody who spends time, money and huge chunks of their own sanity following this football club. It’ll mean we’ve had some form of success, which is what we all hope for and spend our time and money hoping to see firsthand. But if you DON’T succeed, and we don’t move forward at all... well, the proof will be in the pudding, won’t it? And if that happens there’s nothing anyone in the stands can do about that, and therefore none of us should be that worried, because it’s completely on the people at the top. They’ve embarked on quite the campaign of PR leading up to this season, and they’ve set expectations high with their statements about a lot of the players they ended up bringing in, so it’s on them to deliver something that is a marked step forward on last time. There’s absolutely no justification for not at least improving on last term, when we finished 12th. That’s the minimum we can reasonably expect, because otherwise it’s a failure. Better facilities, more stability, another year of learning and experience, a load of players we were assured are so good we just had to keep waiting for them as we would never have got them otherwise... there’s no way we can finish lower than 12th, is there?

We’re in a position where it seems there’s at least a fairly decent squad on paper, there’s at least a fairly decent infrastructure and environment for the playing staff to exist within, and there’s been at least a fairly decent amount of money spent on sorting all of that out. So if it goes wrong? Well, it should be pretty fixable, shouldn’t it? There’s nothing wrong with the setup anymore if people are being honest and straight up - we can’t have any excuses about this or that being wrong behind the scenes, being too thin on the ground here, needing somebody in over there etc. If it doesn’t work it’s because the people charged with making it work haven’t done their job. If that happens then certain people will have to make changes, and if they make changes and everything is as solid as we’ve been assured off the pitch, and the team is as good as we’ve been told it is on paper, then it won’t be an issue finding somebody semi-competent to at least do a half-decent job of it.

Basically, if everything is exactly as we’ve been told, it’s only the manager failing to perform who can make this season a shocker. And if that happens it’s really easy to sort out, because there’s absolutely no doubt that will be the main source of underperformance if it goes wrong. And if he’s as good as a lot of people say he is, it won’t be a problem anyway. Either we’re in for a decent season, or we’re in a position to know exactly how to fix it if it all goes tits up. We’ve got what we’ve been told is a solid plan, and as a result everybody can see where the escape pods are in case it goes wrong.

So what’s to worry about?
 
I have to say that I actually feel much better about this season than I did last. Not because I expect more good results than last time, or because I think we’ve got a much better squad (I don’t think we’ve replaced the likes of Nelson, Whyte or Browne with players as good as they were, but I also don’t think we had a striker as good as Taylor or a centre midfielder as good as Brannagan has seemingly become in the last few months either, so it’s swings and roundabouts).

It’s because there are now no excuses. Our owners and our manager have been here for 18 months, had more than 60 league games at the helm and three full transfer windows to sort the squad out. The club has also had half a dozen winding up petitions to learn from and finally got the training ground to a point where it isn’t a building site, which should have given us a much more peaceful pre-season with far better preparation environments. On the face of it, this season is geared up to be better than last in an awful lot of ways. We’ve had nothing thrown at us apart from reassuring statements and strong messaging affirming how everything is amazing and rosy, both from the club and their cheerleaders, and as such expectations are high. Why not? Let’s have a damn good go, I say. Even if we don’t finish top six, we should be in the top half of the table for virtually the entire season, you’d expect. There’s certainly no way a repeat of last season’s horrific start could be justified, nor another season where most of it is spent in and around the drop zone. The board have also given the manager a new three year contract, so seemingly we now know exactly where we are. Whatever anyone thinks of this, that or the other on any of the matters mentioned above, the club seems to be saying that it knows exactly what it wants, where it thinks it’s going and how it believes it’s going to get there. And the people involved have had enough time to not only be able, but probably to be expected, to know those things and start getting them right.

So I say to those concerned: crack on. Get on with it and show everybody how good you are, and how knowledgable you are. Prove that you know better than anybody else. Because if you do, it’s happy days for anybody who spends time, money and huge chunks of their own sanity following this football club. It’ll mean we’ve had some form of success, which is what we all hope for and spend our time and money hoping to see firsthand. But if you DON’T succeed, and we don’t move forward at all... well, the proof will be in the pudding, won’t it? And if that happens there’s nothing anyone in the stands can do about that, and therefore none of us should be that worried, because it’s completely on the people at the top. They’ve embarked on quite the campaign of PR leading up to this season, and they’ve set expectations high with their statements about a lot of the players they ended up bringing in, so it’s on them to deliver something that is a marked step forward on last time. There’s absolutely no justification for not at least improving on last term, when we finished 12th. That’s the minimum we can reasonably expect, because otherwise it’s a failure. Better facilities, more stability, another year of learning and experience, a load of players we were assured are so good we just had to keep waiting for them as we would never have got them otherwise... there’s no way we can finish lower than 12th, is there?

We’re in a position where it seems there’s at least a fairly decent squad on paper, there’s at least a fairly decent infrastructure and environment for the playing staff to exist within, and there’s been at least a fairly decent amount of money spent on sorting all of that out. So if it goes wrong? Well, it should be pretty fixable, shouldn’t it? There’s nothing wrong with the setup anymore if people are being honest and straight up - we can’t have any excuses about this or that being wrong behind the scenes, being too thin on the ground here, needing somebody in over there etc. If it doesn’t work it’s because the people charged with making it work haven’t done their job. If that happens then certain people will have to make changes, and if they make changes and everything is as solid as we’ve been assured off the pitch, and the team is as good as we’ve been told it is on paper, then it won’t be an issue finding somebody semi-competent to at least do a half-decent job of it.

Basically, if everything is exactly as we’ve been told, it’s only the manager failing to perform who can make this season a shocker. And if that happens it’s really easy to sort out, because there’s absolutely no doubt that will be the main source of underperformance if it goes wrong. And if he’s as good as a lot of people say he is, it won’t be a problem anyway. Either we’re in for a decent season, or we’re in a position to know exactly how to fix it if it all goes tits up. We’ve got what we’ve been told is a solid plan, and as a result everybody can see where the escape pods are in case it goes wrong.

So what’s to worry about?
As has been said before, Robinson has the safest job in football, he’s totally bomb proof. He’s far more involved than a mere first team coach/manager. He’s part of the clubs infrastructure. He’s practically a part of the board in all but name, to me he seems closer to the owners than the MD, or at least on a par. They’ve entrusted him with the task of totally restructuring and developing the football side of the club. Quite simply Robinson HAS to get it right as there’s no alternative.
 
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And this is what makes the trepidation of failure so much more acute. Only a few weeks ago we (Mrs Lounger & I) were telling each other how upbeat we were feeling about the season ahead, how much more condident we felt. Now, here we are discussing the eventuality of another season of disappointment with the odd cheer in between.
The information from the boardroom level has been tuned to a much better standard this season with Zak providing a welcome change to the less articulate, but excitable Tiger and the awful management speak from McWilliams. At the outset even KR was managing his interviews in a more realistic manner.
If we are to face another season of mediocre, low mid table or, heaven forbid, relegation battle then, repercussions must happen and responsibility accepted.
 
And this is what makes the trepidation of failure so much more acute. Only a few weeks ago we (Mrs Lounger & I) were telling each other how upbeat we were feeling about the season ahead, how much more condident we felt. Now, here we are discussing the eventuality of another season of disappointment with the odd cheer in between.
The information from the boardroom level has been tuned to a much better standard this season with Zak providing a welcome change to the less articulate, but excitable Tiger and the awful management speak from McWilliams. At the outset even KR was managing his interviews in a more realistic manner.
If we are to face another season of mediocre, low mid table or, heaven forbid, relegation battle then, repercussions must happen and responsibility accepted.
I know Robinson is a very self-confident fella but even when things are going wrong his persona oozes self-assured confidence as if he knows he’ll never be held to task for it. I think he will turn it round though - at least I hope he does. Behind all the chatter I do think there is a competent coach there ?
 
TEAMFROMTOGAMESWONDRAWNLOST
Oxford22 Mar, 2018Present79282229

By my reckoning (near enough without the decimal points) that's a 35% win ratio (28% draws, 37% losses)

Which (of our recent managers who have done more than a few games) is better than Clotet at 33% (close though!), but both Wilder and Appleton are up around the 45% mark and even Darren Patterson is up over 40%.

(table from Soccerbase, other stats from Wiki)

I’d be interested to see stats of other managers in this league right now, Sunderland managers win % can’t be that great as they draw so many.
Also as someone else has stated lots of those games were in a different league although I doubt anyone would argue that Wilder & Appleton were/are very good managers.
How do other ex oxford managers stats stand up? Smithx2, Horton, Kemp ?
 
I am not sure we can say there are no excuses for being successful this season but I would agree there should be far less than last season. There will always be a turn of fate that can make or break a club like us who do not have the larger resources of the bigger clubs.

As for KR I am still not convinced. I think he may be a good coach, but as for a manager I am not sure he is flexible enough. One thing looks almost certain though is that here he is very overstretched adding in everything else he seems to do. Although we have bought a lot of players I am still not sure we have bought that well in a couple of areas. I think the biggest misses this season is Kashi and Nelson. Hopefully like last season KR realizes his problems and puts Mous into Midfield to cover the back four. I still think we should have gone for an experienced center back (as well as Moore) an old head to organize our young players and get them into shape allowing us to bring in Moore more gradually.

Currently its all a little groundhog day. We built the squad way too late, with too many players not fully fit. We then have made way to many changes from a solid team last season and are currently still trying to do the preseason work of shaping the team and getting everyone fit and playing together.
I do think its all fixable I just wonder how long it will take a stuborn man like KR to fix it (it took him until Jan last season). This will be the key to this season sort the conceding of goals and we should be a solid mid table (at least) team.
 
Maybe we will be like Barnsley when they were bottom at Christmas and ended up promoted.
I see Portsmouth are also stuck near the bottom.
I agree we have got to see how Agyei and Taylor do. I believe Woodburn will come good too and we have much to be optimistic about this season.
There are some very strong teams up there.
Fleetwood although disappointing was not surprising given we’ve not beaten them in the league before and they’re unbeaten at home for so many games.
Burton will do better and have played at higher level too.
I’m sure we will be up in the top half before too long and not be struggling near the bottom.
Only three places for relegation. I’d be surprised if Bolton start winning any time soon. Southend will probably break their duck against us but they are well and truly in the mire even at this early stage.
I also see Wimbledon finding it tough again
 
How do other ex oxford managers stats stand up? Smithx2, Horton, Kemp ?
Just Google 'List of Oxford United Managers' in Wiki if you want to look at them all. He's got a better record than the various caretaker managers (I guess you'd expect that, since they were stuck with a team who'd just got the last bloke fired!), marginally better than Horton, quite a lot better than Kemp (unsurprisingly). But then if you say that managers playing in lower divisions (L2, Conference) should have their records downgraded, you'd also have to say that those in charge when we were in the top two should have their records adjusted upwards?
 
I am not sure we can say there are no excuses for being successful this season but I would agree there should be far less than last season. There will always be a turn of fate that can make or break a club like us who do not have the larger resources of the bigger clubs.

As for KR I am still not convinced. I think he may be a good coach, but as for a manager I am not sure he is flexible enough. One thing looks almost certain though is that here he is very overstretched adding in everything else he seems to do. Although we have bought a lot of players I am still not sure we have bought that well in a couple of areas. I think the biggest misses this season is Kashi and Nelson. Hopefully like last season KR realizes his problems and puts Mous into Midfield to cover the back four. I still think we should have gone for an experienced center back (as well as Moore) an old head to organize our young players and get them into shape allowing us to bring in Moore more gradually.

Currently its all a little groundhog day. We built the squad way too late, with too many players not fully fit. We then have made way to many changes from a solid team last season and are currently still trying to do the preseason work of shaping the team and getting everyone fit and playing together.
I do think its all fixable I just wonder how long it will take a stuborn man like KR to fix it (it took him until Jan last season). This will be the key to this season sort the conceding of goals and we should be a solid mid table (at least) team.

comes back to relying on Loans, i keep saying it build a squad of our players with the odd tweak here or there for 2/3 seasons and have a good go at it.
Stop the nicey nicey of training and giving game time to other clubs players and all this give us a year and we'll help further your career.
i'm still convinced that breaking up the squad every summer has contributed to 2 struggling seasons.

Having a reputation for developing other clubs players is all well and good but where has it got us !
 
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