International Politics The Brexit Thread 🇬🇧🇪🇺

[Carpy]

We already have youth mobility schemes with Australia, Canada and New Zealand (and a few others). No one is suggesting that these have led to mass migration or allows them to all rock up with their families.

This is yet another case of the right leaning media and desperate opposition parties stoking up some sort of national crisis with words like Betrayal and Surrender, and people not bothering to look at the details.

Agree to a point, but you have to recognise the difference between having these arrangements with advanced economies with similar economies similar paying jobs and the whole of the EU.

To open it up to some of the eastern bloc countries does mean there is an incentive to stick around after any visa expires.

 

[bazzer9461]

As said by @Scotchegg, this isn't a unique deal to the EU. Makes sense to me, I also hope we go back into the Erasmus Scheme.

Can't remember who said earlier but we'll end up with something akin to the Swiss type deal. Do you really think a Govt could sign us up to the Single Market with all it encompasses through the back door? That just isn't happening.

I hope not, not sure if the LibDems were in power that they wouldn’t put us into single market.

 

[Scotchegg]

Agree to a point, but you have to recognise the difference between having these arrangements with advanced economies with similar economies similar paying jobs and the whole of the EU.

To open it up to some of the eastern bloc countries does mean there is an incentive to stick around after any visa expires.

That's true for anyone, as it's also true for Brits travelling to other countries and then wanting to stay.

If someone comes here, gets work, makes a contribution to society and then applies to stay at the end of their visa - we should probably welcome them.

 

[The Voice Of Reason]

That is one take, I suppose. Or another is they are taking action as the Country's Govt.

Labour have been talking about trade and deals from before the last election.

Yes but not deals just for deals sake

 

[bazzer9461]

That's true for anyone, as it's also true for Brits travelling to other countries and then wanting to stay.

If someone comes here, gets work, makes a contribution to society and then applies to stay at the end of their visa - we should probably welcome them.

But the issue here Scotchera is they are allowed to bring their families as well as it will make a mockery of the immigration figures.

 

[Marked Ox]

Yes but not deals just for deals sake

And they are deals for deals sake?

This deal is expected to be worth £9bn. Small food producers are looking at exporting to the EU again as they won't have the red tape & costs associated before this deal. Somebody put the clip of Newsnight on earlier and listed quite a few organisations in favour. Then there is the opportunity for the defence industries which employ 10s of 000s directly in this country and therefore indirectly supporting more. Defence industries are recruiting staff and are often skilled workers, or Apprentices to become them, that make things.

Ironically the fishing organisations unhappy with the deal may end up benefiting with the SPS agreement.

India is expected to raise £5bn annually iirc. Hardly deals for deals sake.

 

[Scotchegg]

But the issue here Scotchera is they are allowed to bring their families as well as it will make a mockery of the immigration figures.

Families of those in youth mobility schemes are not eligible to come here.

 

[bazzer9461]

Families of those in youth mobility schemes are not eligible to come here.

But it was mentioned yesterday morning on GMB that’s why I mentioned.

 

[Scotchegg]

But it was mentioned yesterday morning on GMB that’s why I mentioned.

It may have been, but you can't bring anyone else in on a youth mobility visa.

 

[bazzer9461]

It may have been, but you can't bring anyone else in on a youth mobility visa.

Sorry just saying what I heard during the conversation with the news paper guys

 

[OUFCGav]

Sorry just saying what I heard during the conversation with the news paper guys

General Youth Mobility Scheme page - https://www.gov.uk/youth-mobility/eligibility
India Specific Page - https://www.gov.uk/india-young-professionals-scheme-visa

The exact criteria for the EU scheme are not yet finalised only an outline plan with broad criteria around limits, so anyone claiming to know details would seem to be being "creative".

 

[stokeu]

Better are the fishery expert that was on GMb this morning and I’m sure she would be more qualified than you or I.

What fish do you actually eat and how often?

 

[Essexyellows]

What fish do you actually eat and how often?

Cod loin, smoked mackerel, haddock and tuna (fresh and tinned) are our fish of preference ..... couple of times a week.
Try and stick to 2 meat, 2 fish, 1 veggie meal Mon to Friday - weekends depend on what`s going on.

 

[LowerSouth]

What fish do you actually eat and how often?

Probably Birds Eye

 

[QR]

Farmers Weekly pulling no punches.

'So why do many of the same farmers who cheered Brexit now protest the consequences, but stay silent on the cause?

That dissonance isn’t just frustrating – it’s fatal.'

 

[The Mighty Aldo]

Cod loin, smoked mackerel, haddock and tuna (fresh and tinned) are our fish of preference ..... couple of times a week.
Try and stick to 2 meat, 2 fish, 1 veggie meal Mon to Friday - weekends depend on what`s going on.

Well balanced @Essexyellows
I’ll be round on one of the smoked mackerel days.
Is Leigh on sea still a thriving fishing community?
My wife’s family come from Upminster and we would always take a trip down there in the summer with her mum and dad and the grandkids. Unfortunately haven’t been back since her dad died five years ago

 

[The Voice Of Reason]

Cod loin, smoked mackerel, haddock and tuna (fresh and tinned) are our fish of preference ..... couple of times a week.
Try and stick to 2 meat, 2 fish, 1 veggie meal Mon to Friday - weekends depend on what`s going on.

Love fish and eat alot even tho its gone thru the roof lately, but have a wider range like Hake a more meaty fish, pollock as a cheap alternative, monkfish and even Gurnard - the ugly fish

 

[Peterdev]

Well balanced @Essexyellows
I’ll be round on one of the smoked mackerel days.
Is Leigh on sea still a thriving fishing community?
My wife’s family come from Upminster and we would always take a trip down there in the summer with her mum and dad and the grandkids. Unfortunately haven’t been back since her dad died five years ago

Lived in Essex a long time ago and worked at TSB branches so did Leigh, Upminster, Hornchurch and many others. Fish from there was always up with the best. Going to Maldon in July. Always nice there

 

[bazzer9461]

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Lived in Essex a long time ago and worked at TSB branches so did Leigh, Upminster, Hornchurch and many others. Fish from there was always up with the best. Going to Maldon in July. Always nice there

south coast you can’t beat a bit of fresh fish from Mudeford Quay

 

[The Mighty Aldo]

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south coast you can’t beat a bit of fresh fish from Mudeford Quay

Love it down there,then across the ferry to Hengitsbury Head

 

[Peterdev]

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south coast you can’t beat a bit of fresh fish from Mudeford Quay

That would be nice. I’m a big fan of wild salmon..so much more taste than farmed salmon

 

[Marston Road Yellow]

Farmers Weekly pulling no punches.

'So why do many of the same farmers who cheered Brexit now protest the consequences, but stay silent on the cause?

That dissonance isn’t just frustrating – it’s fatal.'

I knew a couple of farmers who voted for Brexit. They’re the first to admit that they were lied to by the brexiteers

 

[Maldonyellow]

Lived in Essex a long time ago and worked at TSB branches so did Leigh, Upminster, Hornchurch and many others. Fish from there was always up with the best. Going to Maldon in July. Always nice there

It happens to be our Heybridge Basin Regatta on the 12th. Not sure when your down but always good for a day out (weather permitting)

 

[Peterdev]

It’ll be on 23 and 24 July. Always loved Maldon. I recall working there and the shops used to close on Wednesday afternoons

 

[Essexyellows]

Lived in Essex a long time ago and worked at TSB branches so did Leigh, Upminster, Hornchurch and many others. Fish from there was always up with the best. Going to Maldon in July. Always nice there

I once caught a bloke robbing the Leigh on Sea TSB branch................. best paid bit of work I`ve ever done.

 

[Essexyellows]

In other news it is possible that France might be the weak link in the EU chain............

Why is France’s government on the brink of collapse, again?

PM Francois Bayrou faces an uphill battle in securing support for his unpopular plans to shore up France’s finances.

www.aljazeera.com

“The issue, the question, is not the fate of the prime minister or… even the fate of the government. The question is the fate of France,” Bayrou said.

On August 26, Finance Minister Eric Lombard warned that unless France gets its debt under control, interventions from the International Monetary Fund, the global lender of last resort – typically for emerging market countries – “is a risk that is in front of us”.

Would that be because they don`t have their own currency and the associated levers?

 

[SteMerritt]

In other news it is possible that France might be the weak link in the EU chain............

Why is France’s government on the brink of collapse, again?

PM Francois Bayrou faces an uphill battle in securing support for his unpopular plans to shore up France’s finances.

www.aljazeera.com

“The issue, the question, is not the fate of the prime minister or… even the fate of the government. The question is the fate of France,” Bayrou said.

On August 26, Finance Minister Eric Lombard warned that unless France gets its debt under control, interventions from the International Monetary Fund, the global lender of last resort – typically for emerging market countries – “is a risk that is in front of us”.

Would that be because they don`t have their own currency and the associated levers?

We were the weak link at one time under the Exchange Rate Mechanism weren't we?

 

[Essexyellows]

We were the weak link at one time under the Exchange Rate Mechanism weren't we?

Yes, but we had a currency and a bank to pull the levers....... France lack those options.

 

[Londox]

In other news it is possible that France might be the weak link in the EU chain............

Why is France’s government on the brink of collapse, again?

PM Francois Bayrou faces an uphill battle in securing support for his unpopular plans to shore up France’s finances.

www.aljazeera.com

“The issue, the question, is not the fate of the prime minister or… even the fate of the government. The question is the fate of France,” Bayrou said.

On August 26, Finance Minister Eric Lombard warned that unless France gets its debt under control, interventions from the International Monetary Fund, the global lender of last resort – typically for emerging market countries – “is a risk that is in front of us”.

Would that be because they don`t have their own currency and the associated levers?

The collapse of the EU isn't a matter of if it's a matter of when.

And it's going to be delicious.

 

[SteMerritt]

The collapse of the EU isn't a matter of if it's a matter of when.

Isn't that the case for any civilisation