General The Board & Senior Management

[Paul Cannell]

Firstly, writing off the FAB as a "club-controlled quango" before it’s even had the chance to prove itself....

Which part of fans having to have an interview with the club before standing doesn't tell us it's club-controlled?

Criticising a new initiative based on assumptions

Not assumptions, stated in FAB documents.


PS. @Sarge might well be the least cynical person I know.

 

[Orkney Islands Yellow]

I think this thread shows any fans group are on a hiding to nothing and will never do right in some people's eyes.

 

[Sarge]

I admire your passion and history of involvement you've shown over the years, but I disagree with the dismissive tone and defeatist outlook toward the FAB and those choosing to participate in it.

Firstly, writing off the FAB as a "club-controlled quango" before it’s even had the chance to prove itself not only undermines those volunteering their time, it also closes the door to progress before it’s begun. Change doesn’t come from cynicism—it comes from persistent engagement. Yes, you’ve done your time, and your past efforts are commendable, but that doesn’t give anyone a monopoly on how accountability and supporter representation should evolve.

You mention your frustrations with the CEO—fair enough. Many share that concern. But then isn’t it even more important to have credible, engaged voices on these new platforms pushing for answers and transparency? Walking away from the table because it isn't the perfect table is a luxury those serious about progress can’t afford.

Criticising a new initiative based on assumptions—before it's even been given a fair shot—sounds less like constructive scepticism and more like guarding old turf. The suggestion that OxVox makes FAB redundant is a false dichotomy. They can and should complement each other—OxVox's independence and longevity paired with FAB's potential proximity to club decision-making is precisely how you can build influence from both outside and inside the structure.

If you believe they’re up against a brick wall, help them build a battering ram instead of shouting from the sidelines.

Constructive dissent is valuable. Blanket dismissal is not.

Do you agree the CEO cannot be trusted to keep to his word?

Regular Fans Forums were promised, better communication was promised, a fifteen minute fans forum on Radio Oxford was promised .All Promised at the last Fans Forum

Both @OxVox and @OUSP (Replaced by FAB) have requested overdue Fans Forums, after going through the appropriate channels, the request for Fans Forums were refused.

Why is the CEO reluctant to deliver on his promises? We should be told, shant hold my breath on getting an answer

As for FAB , you may be in favour of the club driven and controlled FAB . I am most definitely not( have you read the actual control the club has over anything and everything regarding FAB?)

Have you ever bothered to read the minutes and reports of the outgoing OUSP? The amount of times , despite sterling efforts by OUSP reps,- that things raised by OUSP on behalf of supporters have been dismissed, blocked or ignored by club representatives, speaks volumes.

Why would FAB be treated in anyway differently than OUSP have been by the club?

You may support FAB as is your right, I do not, as is my right.

I take it as you are supportive, you will be putting your name forward for a seat as a FAB delegate , that is if you're not already involved?

 

[Scotchegg]

Everyone's time is precious, and just because you have frustrations, concerns or issues with the club or individuals within, doesn't mean that you are able or willing to commit to a representative role.

And not doing so doesn't make your views any less valid or able to be aired.

However, I would also encourage as many people as possible to consider joining FAB (as I also encouraged people to apply for the recent OxVox vacancies). We are a hugely diverse group of fans. Diverse of thought, experience, expectations, social backgrounds, locations, as well as the usual diverse demographics of age, gender, ethnicity and disabilities.

All voices deserve to be heard, and, I believe that the best way to do that is through as broad a process as possible. I am a life time member of OxVox and will always support their independence and right to hold the club to account. I have also been part of OUSP for two years and am proud of many of the things we have achieved together. It is an ever evolving process, and I don't think any of us have got everything right. Sometimes far from it. We've had our frustrations. And we've had some pretty heated arguments too. But I honestly believe that we're better placed by being at the table than we would be without the dialogue we have.

Not everyone will agree with OUSP/FAB and that's your right. Not everyone will agree with me or my views, and that is also your right. Some of the comments that go with this have been unnecessary and personal, and it has never bothered me, but sadly they do put some good people off from applying for these positions which is a shame.

We are all fans, and we all want whats best for our club. If that is from the position of FAB or OxVox then fantastic. If that's from these pages or the terraces then that's great too.

 

[ZeroTheHero]

Can someone summarise what the difference is between OUSP and FAB? I do understand that OxVox will be significantly represented on FAB (which I think is one difference)? Is the remit of what the new FAB group is set up to do different to OUSP? How transparent is the new organisation - will be get agendas, minutes etc with an eye to adding the the first and reading the results in the second?

 

[OUSP (Replaced by FAB)]

Agendas will be set by the supporter reps - this should be after taking input from fans, whether directly to fan reps or via OxVox. Minutes will be published.

This is from the FAQs.

What is the Remit of the FAB?

The remit of the FAB covers non-playing matters, including:

• The Club's strategic vision and objectives
• Off-pitch performance updates, priorities and plans
• Operational matchday issues
• Proposals relating to significant changes to Club heritage assets
• Stadium issues and plans
• The Club’s equality, diversity and inclusion commitments
• The Club's plan for broader supporter engagement

How will the FAB differ from OUSP?

There are two key differences:

1. The FAB will have a broader remit including strategy, governance, environmental sustainability and stadium plans.

2. The make-up of the FAB will be different, with more seats reserved for the Supporters Trust (OxVox), as well as for other fan groups. The number of individual posts will reduce from 9 to a maximum of 6, with 2 posts available for election each year.

What will happen to OUSP?

To ensure continuity as the new structure is established, existing OUSP individual representatives will move over to the FAB until the end of their current term of office.

How will individual representatives be appointed?

At the end of each season, starting from 2025, an Application and Interview Panel will invite applications from interested supporters. This Panel will be made up of two existing individual FAB representatives, one Club representative and an independent chair from the FSA (Football Supporters Association).

There will be at least two posts available in each election cycle, with the Interview Panel creating a shortlist of candidates to be put to the fanbase for election.

How will supporter group representatives be appointed?

It will be entirely up to the Supporter Group committee to establish how it selects its representatives; however, it must be through a democratic process.

How will the FAB ensure that representatives cover the necessary skills (e.g. finance) and demographics of the fanbase?

Supporter Groups representing specific demographics may apply for one of the reserved seats, ensuring their demographic will be represented. The Application and Interview Panel may identify certain demographics or certain skills that are not represented on the FAB and factor that into the shortlisting. The FAB can also co-opt supporters with necessary skills or experience either to the FAB or to relevant sub-committees.

What is the difference between supporter group and individual representatives?

There is no difference in terms of their status on the FAB. Any representative can be put forward for the role of Chair, Vice Chair or Secretary, and any representative can participate in sub-committees. The only difference is in how they are elected to the FAB (see above).

How are the FAB chair and vice-chair selected?
Each season the FAB representatives will elect these posts from among their number.

 

[witney50]

Do you agree the CEO cannot be trusted to keep to his word?

Regular Fans Forums were promised, better communication was promised, a fifteen minute fans forum on Radio Oxford was promised .All Promised at the last Fans Forum

Both @OxVox and @OUSP (Replaced by FAB) have requested overdue Fans Forums, after going through the appropriate channels, the request for Fans Forums were refused.

Why is the CEO reluctant to deliver on his promises? We should be told, shant hold my breath on getting an answer

As for FAB , you may be in favour of the club driven and controlled FAB . I am most definitely not( have you read the actual control the club has over anything and everything regarding FAB?)

Have you ever bothered to read the minutes and reports of the outgoing OUSP? The amount of times , despite sterling efforts by OUSP reps,- that things raised by OUSP on behalf of supporters have been dismissed, blocked or ignored by club representatives, speaks volumes.

Why would FAB be treated in anyway differently than OUSP have been by the club?

You may support FAB as is your right, I do not, as is my right.

I take it as you are supportive, you will be putting your name forward for a seat as a FAB delegate , that is if you're not already involved?

"Why all the negativity?"
honestly, it’s a bit disheartening. For the record—I have read the FAB terms, I’m an OxVox member, I’ve read the minutes, and I’ve been to several fans’ forums. Let’s be honest though—those forums are often poorly attended and haven’t really delivered much in terms of lasting change, apart from giving a few people a platform to vent or posture. It’s clear that what’s gone before hasn’t worked particularly well, so maybe it’s time to try something new.

Now, am I a cheerleader for the FAB? Not necessarily. I don’t have a fixed view yet—but I’m open-minded. The idea of structured communication, clear dates in the diary, and representation from both OxVox and a broader cross-section of the fanbase sounds like it could be a step in the right direction. Time will tell, of course.

The club has already explained why there hasn’t been a fans’ forum recently and when they’re planning to hold one. That information has been shared via OxVox. You can choose to accept that explanation—or reject it—but it has been communicated.

As for the FAB itself—maybe I’m involved, maybe I’ve put myself forward, maybe not. Either way, what I do believe is that whoever steps into those roles will be doing it with the best intentions. Instead of defaulting to criticism, maybe we could give it a fair shot and see if something positive can come from it.

 

[witney50]

I presume you'll be putting your name forward?

Maybe...but Im rubbish in interviews.

 

[witney50]

Condescending........

Thank you...exactly the tone I was looking for.

 

[Steve Gilbert]

"Why all the negativity?"
honestly, it’s a bit disheartening. For the record—I have read the FAB terms, I’m an OxVox member, I’ve read the minutes, and I’ve been to several fans’ forums. Let’s be honest though—those forums are often poorly attended and haven’t really delivered much in terms of lasting change, apart from giving a few people a platform to vent or posture. It’s clear that what’s gone before hasn’t worked particularly well, so maybe it’s time to try something new.

Now, am I a cheerleader for the FAB? Not necessarily. I don’t have a fixed view yet—but I’m open-minded. The idea of structured communication, clear dates in the diary, and representation from both OxVox and a broader cross-section of the fanbase sounds like it could be a step in the right direction. Time will tell, of course.

The club has already explained why there hasn’t been a fans’ forum recently and when they’re planning to hold one. That information has been shared via OxVox. You can choose to accept that explanation—or reject it—but it has been communicated.

As for the FAB itself—maybe I’m involved, maybe I’ve put myself forward, maybe not. Either way, what I do believe is that whoever steps into those roles will be doing it with the best intentions. Instead of defaulting to criticism, maybe we could give it a fair shot and see if something positive can come from it.

Have they? Where is this information and also when is the forum due to be held?

 

[LowerSouth]

Have they? Where is this information and also when is the forum due to be held?

Latest (30th May) on FAB from OxVox.
Still no news on FF.
Fan Advisory Board

As mentioned previously we have been working with the club and OUSP on the Fan Advisory Board (FAB). With some distinct changes from the original proposal, we decided it was important that OxVox was involved from the start and able to help shape its direction.

With OUSP ceasing to exist on formation of the FAB, the new board will absorb some of their committee to get it up to speed and those places will remain for their term as elections take place to fill places over the next two years.

While we had differences of opinion along the way and still have issues we feel need discussing, we hope that this initiative will improve communication and engagement for all supporters.

We spent a lot of time and energy ensuring that the hard-fought access we now have with the club would not be affected and we have written guarantees to that effect. We were also keen to make sure this was more than a tick box exercise and we are hopeful that the board will grow and become another useful method to have supporters’ voices heard at the heart of our club.

In essence the board, on which OxVox will permanently hold three seats, will deal with more long term, strategic issues that allow for feedback and discussion with the club. Season ticket pricing would be a good example of an area OxVox and OUSP dealt with together that would now be dealt with more under the FAB umbrella. This being said, we will relate everything back to OxVox members to inform our position. With the FAB meeting four times a year with the club, OxVox will of course be first to deal with more immediate issues that arise and will continue its work as the only independent supporters’ group, responding to the input of its members.

As with any new venture, there will inevitably be lessons to learn and adjustments to make as it evolves. The FAB has the potential to become a valuable tool for strengthening communication between fans and the Club, though its success ultimately depends on the Club’s commitment to it. With that in mind, we take up our OxVox places on the FAB with cautious optimism and an open mind. However, if we feel it is no longer serving the best interests of supporters, we reserve the right to step away.

 

[Colin B]

Maybe...but Im rubbish in interviews.

Why so cryptic?

I'd have thought a straightforward yes, or no, would have been easy enough, especially as someone who likes to portray themselves as a straight talker. Or is it that you can talk the talk, but don't want to walk the walk?

 

[Sarge]

"Why all the negativity?"
honestly, it’s a bit disheartening. For the record—I have read the FAB terms, I’m an OxVox member, I’ve read the minutes, and I’ve been to several fans’ forums. Let’s be honest though—those forums are often poorly attended and haven’t really delivered much in terms of lasting change, apart from giving a few people a platform to vent or posture. It’s clear that what’s gone before hasn’t worked particularly well, so maybe it’s time to try something new.

Now, am I a cheerleader for the FAB? Not necessarily. I don’t have a fixed view yet—but I’m open-minded. The idea of structured communication, clear dates in the diary, and representation from both OxVox and a broader cross-section of the fanbase sounds like it could be a step in the right direction. Time will tell, of course.

The club has already explained why there hasn’t been a fans’ forum recently and when they’re planning to hold one. That information has been shared via OxVox. You can choose to accept that explanation—or reject it—but it has been communicated.

As for the FAB itself—maybe I’m involved, maybe I’ve put myself forward, maybe not. Either way, what I do believe is that whoever steps into those roles will be doing it with the best intentions. Instead of defaulting to criticism, maybe we could give it a fair shot and see if something positive can come from it.

why the negativity you ask? it appears you find my lack of confidence in the CEO to deliver on any promises he makes disheartening? yet you swerve answering the questions asked as to whether you trust him to deliver on his word, why is that?

Where and when exactly has the club stated the reasons why there has been no fans forums,despite CEO promising them( and better communication- of which there has been very little, if any from the the club to the supporters), and when they will be holding one? Are you party to inside information that hasn't been made public?

It appears you oppose Fans Forums as you dismiss them as poorly attended and haven't delivered much in the way of lasting change. An overview that agrees that promises made at the last , and previous fans forums, have seen the CEO make hollow, unfulfilled promises to the supporters, thus ,by the lack of CEO delivering on promises he has made, nothing in the way of (lasting) change has been achieved. It seems to me you're using YF as a platform to posture, exactly the same thing you're sneeringly using to belittle supporters who have an issue they want to raise with / to those in a position to invoke change or provide clarity . All a bit double standards it seems to me, additionally, while Fans forums give supporters the opportunity to raise issues and ask questions, FAB , which you appear to be advocating as some kind of replacement to Fans forums(?) , will put another layer between supporters and the club.

OxVox latest full communication May 30th, has no update re long overdue Fans Forums, while on the subject of FAB, OxVox are 'cautious' and are 'reserving the right to step away', if it transpires that FAB is not in the best interest of supporters.

Criticism is entirely due to the proven inaction and apparent inability of the CEO to deliver on promises made publically to the supporters. Who exactly are the 'we' you refer to in your last sentence? you are entitled to speak for yourself, you are not entitled to speak for me, and tell me, when exactly were you elected to speak on behalf of all supporters? Who are this we you are referring to, as you do not speak for me.

Trust is earned, the CEO by not delivering on promises made has shattered any trust I had in him,so its hardly surprising that there is suspicion and very little confidence in FAB being capable of making any positive changes for the better, especially given the casual manner in which the CEO makes promises , then subsequently fails to deliver on his word.

Best of luck to all who apply and get elected to FAB, I sincerely hope it is something helpful, useful and effective in representing supporters interests. I look forward to being proved wrong about having concerns regarding FAB, though (sadly) I dont think I will be.

 

[Steve Gilbert]

Latest (30th May) on FAB from OxVox.
Still no news on FF.
Fan Advisory Board

As mentioned previously we have been working with the club and OUSP on the Fan Advisory Board (FAB). With some distinct changes from the original proposal, we decided it was important that OxVox was involved from the start and able to help shape its direction.

With OUSP ceasing to exist on formation of the FAB, the new board will absorb some of their committee to get it up to speed and those places will remain for their term as elections take place to fill places over the next two years.

While we had differences of opinion along the way and still have issues we feel need discussing, we hope that this initiative will improve communication and engagement for all supporters.

We spent a lot of time and energy ensuring that the hard-fought access we now have with the club would not be affected and we have written guarantees to that effect. We were also keen to make sure this was more than a tick box exercise and we are hopeful that the board will grow and become another useful method to have supporters’ voices heard at the heart of our club.

In essence the board, on which OxVox will permanently hold three seats, will deal with more long term, strategic issues that allow for feedback and discussion with the club. Season ticket pricing would be a good example of an area OxVox and OUSP dealt with together that would now be dealt with more under the FAB umbrella. This being said, we will relate everything back to OxVox members to inform our position. With the FAB meeting four times a year with the club, OxVox will of course be first to deal with more immediate issues that arise and will continue its work as the only independent supporters’ group, responding to the input of its members.

As with any new venture, there will inevitably be lessons to learn and adjustments to make as it evolves. The FAB has the potential to become a valuable tool for strengthening communication between fans and the Club, though its success ultimately depends on the Club’s commitment to it. With that in mind, we take up our OxVox places on the FAB with cautious optimism and an open mind. However, if we feel it is no longer serving the best interests of supporters, we reserve the right to step away.

It still doesn’t say when there is going to be a fans forum like @witney50 said. 4 meetings a year aren’t FF’s.

 

[Sarge]

It still doesn’t say when there is going to be a fans forum like @witney50 said. 4 meetings a year aren’t FF’s.

it doesnt- though re FFs, along with other broken promises made, weren't FFs promised to be changed to 2 per year, basically 1 for off field matters, and 1 for playing/ on field matters, at the last FF ?

 

[Foley]

It still doesn’t say when there is going to be a fans forum like @witney50 said. 4 meetings a year aren’t FF’s.

Didn't Oxvox suggest that it would be at the start of the new season?

 

[witney50]

it doesnt- though re FFs, along with other broken promises made, weren't FFs promised to be changed to 2 per year, basically 1 for off field matters, and 1 for playing/ on field matters, at the last FF ?

This was the OxVox update on the 14th May...whether it happens or not will be proved in time , hopefully the planning permission decision will be made by then.

Grant have expressed their understanding and apologised that this important piece of fan engagement was delayed but Grant returns in pre season and we have already pencilled in the forum for then.

 

[witney50]

Why so cryptic?

I'd have thought a straightforward yes, or no, would have been easy enough, especially as someone who likes to portray themselves as a straight talker. Or is it that you can talk the talk, but don't want to walk the walk?

I have until June 24th to decide whether I can commit the time to do it properly — so for now, it's a maybe...hope that clears that up.

 

[Colin B]

I have until June 24th to decide whether I can commit the time to do it properly — so for now, it's a maybe...hope that clears that up.

If you do it you will have to come out from behind your cloak of anonymity, so my money is on you not doing it. Hope that clears that up.

 

[witney50]

why the negativity you ask? it appears you find my lack of confidence in the CEO to deliver on any promises he makes disheartening? yet you swerve answering the questions asked as to whether you trust him to deliver on his word, why is that?

Where and when exactly has the club stated the reasons why there has been no fans forums,despite CEO promising them( and better communication- of which there has been very little, if any from the the club to the supporters), and when they will be holding one? Are you party to inside information that hasn't been made public?

It appears you oppose Fans Forums as you dismiss them as poorly attended and haven't delivered much in the way of lasting change. An overview that agrees that promises made at the last , and previous fans forums, have seen the CEO make hollow, unfulfilled promises to the supporters, thus ,by the lack of CEO delivering on promises he has made, nothing in the way of (lasting) change has been achieved. It seems to me you're using YF as a platform to posture, exactly the same thing you're sneeringly using to belittle supporters who have an issue they want to raise with / to those in a position to invoke change or provide clarity . All a bit double standards it seems to me, additionally, while Fans forums give supporters the opportunity to raise issues and ask questions, FAB , which you appear to be advocating as some kind of replacement to Fans forums(?) , will put another layer between supporters and the club.

OxVox latest full communication May 30th, has no update re long overdue Fans Forums, while on the subject of FAB, OxVox are 'cautious' and are 'reserving the right to step away', if it transpires that FAB is not in the best interest of supporters.

Criticism is entirely due to the proven inaction and apparent inability of the CEO to deliver on promises made publically to the supporters. Who exactly are the 'we' you refer to in your last sentence? you are entitled to speak for yourself, you are not entitled to speak for me, and tell me, when exactly were you elected to speak on behalf of all supporters? Who are this we you are referring to, as you do not speak for me.

Trust is earned, the CEO by not delivering on promises made has shattered any trust I had in him,so its hardly surprising that there is suspicion and very little confidence in FAB being capable of making any positive changes for the better, especially given the casual manner in which the CEO makes promises , then subsequently fails to deliver on his word.

Best of luck to all who apply and get elected to FAB, I sincerely hope it is something helpful, useful and effective in representing supporters interests. I look forward to being proved wrong about having concerns regarding FAB, though (sadly) I dont think I will be.

I will answer your questions...

- you swerve answering the questions asked as to whether you trust him to deliver on his word, why is that?

Williams is an employee who reports directly to the owners. I don’t know him well enough to hold a strong opinion either way. Has he made mistakes? Yes. Has he achieved more than previous leaders of this club? Also yes. Ultimately, Williams will be held accountable by his employers, and I don’t see the need to carry any negative energy about him.

- Where and when exactly has the club stated the reasons why there has been no fans forums,

14th May OxVox update.

- Are you party to inside information that hasn't been made public?
No, not sure why you would think Im ITK.

- It appears you oppose Fans Forums as you dismiss them as poorly attended and haven't delivered much in the way of lasting change.

They are poorly attended, and the attendees don’t represent a true cross-section of the club’s fanbase. Forums under different leadership teams have seen the same results, which leads me to believe that this method of engagement simply doesn’t work.

- You're using YF as a platform to posture, exactly the same thing you're sneeringly using to belittle supporters who have an issue they want to raise.

I'm using YF to express when I strongly disagree with a point of view and to share my perspective — isn't that what the forum is for? Im not going to apologise for having a different view.

Fans forums give supporters the opportunity to raise issues and ask questions, FAB , which you appear to be advocating as some kind of replacement to Fans forums(?)

As I mentioned previously, fan forums have achieved very little over the years. They tend to be informal, lack structure and accountability, and only those confident enough to take the mic and speak up truly get a voice. It’s clear that something new and more effective is needed. I appreciate the structure behind the FAB, and if everyone involved is committed to making it work, then what's not to like? My view is simple: support the FAB and those who are working to make it a success. If that means it replaces the traditional forum model, so be it.

If Ive missed any questions then apologies , it not me swerving it ... ive just missed it.

 

[witney50]

If you do it you will have to come out from behind your cloak of anonymity, so my money is on you not doing it. Hope that clears that up.

Not sure why that’s relevant — the key factor for me is whether I have the time to do it properly. If forum rules required real names, I’d have no issue with that. I haven’t abused or threatened anyone. Sure, I’ve disagreed with others, but so what? Most people here post under a pseudonym anyway...and for all I know you may be as well.

 

[Sarge]

I will answer your questions...

- you swerve answering the questions asked as to whether you trust him to deliver on his word, why is that?

Williams is an employee who reports directly to the owners. I don’t know him well enough to hold a strong opinion either way. Has he made mistakes? Yes. Has he achieved more than previous leaders of this club? Also yes. Ultimately, Williams will be held accountable by his employers, and I don’t see the need to carry any negative energy about him.

- Where and when exactly has the club stated the reasons why there has been no fans forums,

14th May OxVox update.

- Are you party to inside information that hasn't been made public?
No, not sure why you would think Im ITK.

- It appears you oppose Fans Forums as you dismiss them as poorly attended and haven't delivered much in the way of lasting change.

They are poorly attended, and the attendees don’t represent a true cross-section of the club’s fanbase. Forums under different leadership teams have seen the same results, which leads me to believe that this method of engagement simply doesn’t work.

- You're using YF as a platform to posture, exactly the same thing you're sneeringly using to belittle supporters who have an issue they want to raise.

I'm using YF to express when I strongly disagree with a point of view and to share my perspective — isn't that what the forum is for? Im not going to apologise for having a different view.

Fans forums give supporters the opportunity to raise issues and ask questions, FAB , which you appear to be advocating as some kind of replacement to Fans forums(?)

As I mentioned previously, fan forums have achieved very little over the years. They tend to be informal, lack structure and accountability, and only those confident enough to take the mic and speak up truly get a voice. It’s clear that something new and more effective is needed. I appreciate the structure behind the FAB, and if everyone involved is committed to making it work, then what's not to like? My view is simple: support the FAB and those who are working to make it a success. If that means it replaces the traditional forum model, so be it.

If Ive missed any questions then apologies , it not me swerving it ... ive just missed it.

cheers for replys

indeed forums are for exchanging and debating different views- it seems between you and I there are a few differing views

I must have missed the 14 may OxVox update- albeit, OxVox are not the club they're the independent fans trust ( the Question was exactly as you highlighted)

yes, you have missed one- who are/is the 'we' you are referring to?

 

[Sarge]

This was the OxVox update on the 14th May...whether it happens or not will be proved in time , hopefully the planning permission decision will be made by then.

Grant have expressed their understanding and apologised that this important piece of fan engagement was delayed but Grant returns in pre season and we have already pencilled in the forum for then.

again, the 'we' you have refered to, several times now - who is this we you are speaking for?

 

[witney50]

cheers for replys

indeed forums are for exchanging and debating different views- it seems between you and I there are a few differing views

I must have missed the 14 may OxVox update- albeit, OxVox are not the club they're the independent fans trust ( the Question was exactly as you highlighted)

yes, you have missed one- who are/is the 'we' you are referring to?

"we" im refering to OUFC fans giving this new initiative a fair shot at success...

 

[witney50]

again, the 'we' you have refered to, several times now - who is this we you are speaking for?

They are not my words , thats an extract from the oxvox update.

 

[Sarge]

"we" im refering to OUFC fans giving this new initiative a fair shot at success...

when were you elected to speak on behalf of all OUFC fans? You dont speak for me

 

[witney50]

when were you elected to speak on behalf of all OUFC fans? You dont speak for me

Where have I said that I am speaking for you...I havent, is the answer to that question...what I am saying is that I believe that "we" as OUFC fans should get behind the new intiative...thats my view, im not imposing that on you or anyone else.

 

[Colin B]

Not sure why that’s relevant — the key factor for me is whether I have the time to do it properly. If forum rules required real names, I’d have no issue with that. I haven’t abused or threatened anyone. Sure, I’ve disagreed with others, but so what? Most people here post under a pseudonym anyway...and for all I know you may be as well.

I post under my real name, and most people on here know who I am, and can vouch for that.

It is optional what you post as, but I post under my real name as I wouldn’t say anything on here that I wouldn’t say to someone’s face. You should try it, there’s nothing stopping you changing your username to your real name. People might be less suspicious of you.

 

[Sarge]

Where have I said that I am speaking for you...I havent, is the answer to that question...what I am saying is that I believe that "we" as OUFC fans should get behind the new intiative...thats my view, im not imposing that on you or anyone else.

That's rather contradictory, - your comment implies, by the use of the word we instead of I ,that you believe that all OUFC fans should be supporting the new initiative (FAB) because you do. You are of course entitled to hold and voice your own views, without a mandate to speak for all, you do not speak for all OUFC fans though, and in my opinion shouldn't infer that you do.- which you then appear to contradict by saying you're not 'imposing that on me or anyone else. Yet you clearly have done exactly that by using the word we, instead of I,

And, on the subject of Forum name's, I am known as and answer to the name Sarge by everyone who knows me, and I have been for well over 60 years.I don't post under a pseudonym, although many on YF choose to as is their right. Anything I post on YF I have no problem in saying face to face to anyone.

 

[witney50]

That's rather contradictory, - your comment implies, by the use of the word we instead of I ,that you believe that all OUFC fans should be supporting the new initiative (FAB) because you do. You are of course entitled to hold and voice your own views, without a mandate to speak for all, you do not speak for all OUFC fans though, and in my opinion shouldn't infer that you do.- which you then appear to contradict by saying you're not 'imposing that on me or anyone else. Yet you clearly have done exactly that by using the word we, instead of I,

And, on the subject of Forum name's, I am known as and answer to the name Sarge by everyone who knows me, and I have been for well over 60 years.I don't post under a pseudonym, although many on YF choose to as is their right. Anything I post on YF I have no problem in saying face to face to anyone.

I'm not quite sure what you're seeing as contradictory—maybe it's just that my level of education isn't where it could be. I can assure you, I'm not trying to speak on your behalf or anyone else's. I think I'll go for a swim and then come back to see if I can express my thoughts more clearly.

As for what name people choose to post under, I really don't care and don't have an opinion on it.