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I reckon so do a will win die to their clear superiority of spinners unless it seams around a bit.

Huh?

Yes - very much looking forward to it. I normally go to at least one day of two tests if possible. Might take a look at the Rose Bowl (or whatever it’s called now). I enjoyed it last time they were here.
 
The Vaughan whinging over Rashid is incredibly embarrassing. I thought Yorkies always backed Yorkies. But it seems they don't. Should be a fascinating series
 
It seems the pitch for tomorrow has been heavily watered in the recent weather, so should be England friendly. The Lords pitch though....
 
The Vaughan whinging over Rashid is incredibly embarrassing. I thought Yorkies always backed Yorkies. But it seems they don't. Should be a fascinating series
The whinging from Vaughan needs to stop. Speaking as a supporter of Yorkshire I am pleased for him individually that he has been selected but there is a bigger picture with this story. Firstly he hasn’t bowled competivly with the red ball since last September. Secondly he said he didn’t want to play in the 4day roses match days earlier saying he didn’t want to play 4 day cricket this year.
Thirdly he is signed to play white ball cricket only this year and having missed half of the 50 over tournament for Yorkshire and first 4 t20 games they thought they had him for the rest of the season and then find out differently after it is to late to get a replacement. Fourthly he is told it is a 1 off situation and if he is to play next year he will need to play 4 day cricket. He at present has a 1 day contract for next year to sign meaning all that might now need changing and therefore Yorkshire’s plans/ budgets for next year.
If you look beyond headlines you will find Yorkshire fans want the players with England and England to do well but are also getting pissed off with some of the treatment the county appear to get off the Ecb.
Have to say I am really looking forward to going to Headingley next Thursday to hopefully watch s Yorkshire win over Lancashire. Good luck England tomorrow.
 
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The whinging from Vaughan needs to stop. Speaking as a supporter of Yorkshire I am pleased for him individually that he has been selected but there is a bigger picture with this story. Firstly he hasn’t bowled competivly with the red ball since last September. Secondly he said he didn’t want to play in the 4day roses match days earlier saying he didn’t want to play 4 day cricket this year.
Thirdly he is signed to play white ball cricket only this year and having missed half of the 50 over tournament for Yorkshire and first 4 t20 games they thought they had him for the rest of the season and then find out differently after it is to late to get a replacement. Fourthly he is told it is a 1 off situation and if he is to play next year he will need to play 4 day cricket. He at present has a 1 day contract for next year to sign meaning all that might now need changing and therefore Yorkshire’s plans/ budgets for next year.
If you look beyond headlines you will find Yorkshire fans want the players with England and England to do well but are also getting pissed off with some of the treatment the county appear to get off the Ecb.
Have to say I am really looking forward to going to Headingley next Thursday to hopefully watch s Yorkshire win over Lancashire. Good luck England tomorrow.
For me, it doesn't matter if Rashid has played county cricket or not. Buttler came straight from the IPL and fitted in ok. I have found some of the Yorkshire politics a bit bizarre - even Plunkett has been on the end of some odd things this season.

I hope the Rashid pick works today.
 
For me, it doesn't matter if Rashid has played county cricket or not. Buttler came straight from the IPL and fitted in ok. I have found some of the Yorkshire politics a bit bizarre - even Plunkett has been on the end of some odd things this season.

I hope the Rashid pick works today.
It's not the case of coming from one form to another, it's more to do with Rashid saying he was done with red ball, not playing any games, then being called up ahead of players who have worked hard in the county championship. A bit of a slap in the face for them isn't it. Could you imagine the uproar if a footballer said he didn't want to play friendlies or qualifiers, then was picked for a World Cup?
 
It's not as if Rachid's test record is that brilliant - and (correct me if I am wrong) he has never played in a home test at all.

It's a bit of a comment on the state of English cricket if the best long-form spinner we've got is one who doesn't play the long-form game! I can't help thinking that he has been picked because of one brilliant ball he bowled a week ago, but that's perhaps a bit cynical...
 
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For me, it doesn't matter if Rashid has played county cricket or not. Buttler came straight from the IPL and fitted in ok. I have found some of the Yorkshire politics a bit bizarre - even Plunkett has been on the end of some odd things this season.

I hope the Rashid pick works today.
Plunkett had a bit of a strop after being dropped after going for 77 in 9 overs in a 50 over game. That was sorted but the main reason he is leaving is because Yorkshire think they can get better value elsewhere as he has only played 5 games all season due to England call ups and injury. Next season they would lose him for at least 2 months due to World Cup etc. They also have a very good crop of youngsters coming through.
 
It's not the case of coming from one form to another, it's more to do with Rashid saying he was done with red ball, not playing any games, then being called up ahead of players who have worked hard in the county championship. A bit of a slap in the face for them isn't it. Could you imagine the uproar if a footballer said he didn't want to play friendlies or qualifiers, then was picked for a World Cup?
Didn't that happen with Carragher and Paul Scholes?

Didn't Yorkshire not pick him last summer? I don't think he made the decision in isolation - it was an odd one, but I suppose if no English spinner is pushing themselves and on the recent performances, I can see why he's been picked. Buttler pretty much gave up red ball cricket and was taken in without much fuss.

Plunkett had a bit of a strop after being dropped after going for 77 in 9 overs in a 50 over game. That was sorted but the main reason he is leaving is because Yorkshire think they can get better value elsewhere as he has only played 5 games all season due to England call ups and injury. Next season they would lose him for at least 2 months due to World Cup etc. They also have a very good crop of youngsters coming through.
My point is all is not well at Yorkshire. I can see why Plunkett was miffed and is off to Surrey. Why even bother having international cricketers if you won't play them?
 
83 for 1 at lunch.
A steady start for England.
I really hope thatRoot goes on and gets a hundred this time ...
I think India saying they'd bowl if they won the toss would have been an interesting one. The pitch looks a bat first one so far.

Root does look in control out there and Jennings is less statuesque than the last time. Let's see in session 2
 
Jennings deeply unlucky there. What a horrible way to get out. No blame in Cook’s departure either.
 
Didn't that happen with Carragher and Paul Scholes?

Didn't Yorkshire not pick him last summer? I don't think he made the decision in isolation - it was an odd one, but I suppose if no English spinner is pushing themselves and on the recent performances, I can see why he's been picked. Buttler pretty much gave up red ball cricket and was taken in without much fuss.


My point is all is not well at Yorkshire. I can see why Plunkett was miffed and is off to Surrey. Why even bother having international cricketers if you won't play them?
Yorkshire picked Rashid most games last summer and please explain what is wrong at the county. Plunkett is off because he wasn’t offered a contact because he is no longer deemed good value within the budget and because 4/5 very good younger players who will be available all year round at present.
England doing reasonably well at the moment.
 
Yorkshire picked Rashid most games last summer and please explain what is wrong at the county. Plunkett is off because he wasn’t offered a contact because he is no longer deemed good value within the budget and because 4/5 very good younger players who will be available all year round at present.
England doing reasonably well at the moment.
For one, the club didn't initially congratulate him on the call up - whichever way you look at it, it's pretty silly. I do not suggest that they be over effusive, but it does come across as small minded. Comments like "I hope England know what they’re doing to Adil and the county game " and "Everyone can make their own mind up as to whether it’s the right thing to do from an England perspective but we feel very disappointed." come across badly. They aren't happy for the player, they are more concerned about the T20 tournament - think it, but don't say it!

It's clear there is something fundamentally broken between Rashid and Yorkshire. The player has some blame, but some of the comments out of Yorkshire come across really badly. Why even bother offering a one day deal for this year if they are as unhappy as they are? Why even keep Plunkett for the past few years if availability is such a problem? Why not show a speck of professionalism and keep it in house? What example does it set to the young players? If you want to play for England, jog on. Yorkshire is the be all and end all.

It's the sort of attitude that has held back the national team at times.

Cripes, the collapse is on. Dear oh dear Bairstow, that run out has cost us.
 
On the Rashid front.....in many ways, I think it reflects mostly just badly on the paucity of options in terms of English spinners.

The three young guys that have had a look-in recently - Bess, Crane & Leach - have really done nothing much at all for their counties this summer. I'm not as familiar with the county game as I used to be, but I'm not aware of any other spinner that has been lighting it up?

So in that context, going with the player who has the talent and form, and by far the most international experience even if it is mostly in the shorter versions of the game, is probably the sensible option - especially for an important series such as this against the #1 ranked side in the world.

Course now we'll see how he does when the pressure is on. Especially given that it looks like we're going to fall short of 300 to kick things off........
 
For one, the club didn't initially congratulate him on the call up - whichever way you look at it, it's pretty silly. I do not suggest that they be over effusive, but it does come across as small minded. Comments like "I hope England know what they’re doing to Adil and the county game " and "Everyone can make their own mind up as to whether it’s the right thing to do from an England perspective but we feel very disappointed." come across badly. They aren't happy for the player, they are more concerned about the T20 tournament - think it, but don't say it!

It's clear there is something fundamentally broken between Rashid and Yorkshire. The player has some blame, but some of the comments out of Yorkshire come across really badly. Why even bother offering a one day deal for this year if they are as unhappy as they are? Why even keep Plunkett for the past few years if availability is such a problem? Why not show a speck of professionalism and keep it in house? What example does it set to the young players? If you want to play for England, jog on. Yorkshire is the be all and end all.

It's the sort of attitude that has held back the national team at times.

Cripes, the collapse is on. Dear oh dear Bairstow, that run out has cost us.
First sentence Isn’t great but do you know they did with the other 2. All 3 were mentioned in the same sentence on the Yccc website.
I work with many people who follow various counties( none Yorkshire) and they agree with both statements for many reasons .
They have every reason to feel somewhat pissed off as the previous week the same player said he didn’t want to play in the 4 day match against Lancashire and had to borrow another counties spinner for a month because he had no interest in playing red ball cricket. Rashid will still be at Yorkshire next season.
He was offered this years and next years contracts on the assumption of playing 1 day cricket only. As for setting examples to young players how do you think Moin Ali feels having played loads of cricket this season.
As for Plunkett what is different this year is he missed the first 5 or so weeks of the season due to the Indian t20. Also as twice previously stated they think they can get better value elsewhere such as some of the many good young players coming through the ranks.
As for England young players see that by far more players play for England that also play for Yorkshire than any other county and that Yorkshire play young players eg. Coad,Brook, Tattersall, Fisher, Shaw, Thompson rather than going and getting loads of Kolpak players like many other counties do.
 
First sentence Isn’t great but do you know they did with the other 2. All 3 were mentioned in the same sentence on the Yccc website.
I work with many people who follow various counties( none Yorkshire) and they agree with both statements for many reasons .
They have every reason to feel somewhat pissed off as the previous week the same player said he didn’t want to play in the 4 day match against Lancashire and had to borrow another counties spinner for a month because he had no interest in playing red ball cricket. Rashid will still be at Yorkshire next season.
He was offered this years and next years contracts on the assumption of playing 1 day cricket only. As for setting examples to young players how do you think Moin Ali feels having played loads of cricket this season.
As for Plunkett what is different this year is he missed the first 5 or so weeks of the season due to the Indian t20. Also as twice previously stated they think they can get better value elsewhere such as some of the many good young players coming through the ranks.
As for England young players see that by far more players play for England that also play for Yorkshire than any other county and that Yorkshire play young players eg. Coad,Brook, Tattersall, Fisher, Shaw, Thompson rather than going and getting loads of Kolpak players like many other counties do.
Perhaps Rashid wasn't keen to play because he didn't feel welcome? He's no angel in this, but they know he's a player that needs encouragement and a bit of love. The comments (and there are more) are ones that smack of once you play for England or want to play somewhere other than Yorkshire, jog on lads.

Sadly, lads today see T20 as an easy way to earn money without the grind of 4 day and test match cricket. In some respects, I don't blame them, but players like Rashid and Gayle are ones people will look up to. You can have your cake and eat it. I suppose for some, learning new skills in the IPL, BPL or Big Bash is seen as more attractive than slogging around England. Would you learn the knuckle ball in Durham in May?
 
On the Rashid front.....in many ways, I think it reflects mostly just badly on the paucity of options in terms of English spinners.

The three young guys that have had a look-in recently - Bess, Crane & Leach - have really done nothing much at all for their counties this summer. I'm not as familiar with the county game as I used to be, but I'm not aware of any other spinner that has been lighting it up?

So in that context, going with the player who has the talent and form, and by far the most international experience even if it is mostly in the shorter versions of the game, is probably the sensible option - especially for an important series such as this against the #1 ranked side in the world.

Course now we'll see how he does when the pressure is on. Especially given that it looks like we're going to fall short of 300 to kick things off........
And that Moeen is a decent spinner in England, but his record is poor away from home and they feel the need to find AN Other who can be a threat at home and away. Especially with a trip to Sri Lanka soon.
 
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