Transfer News Summer 2024 Post-Transfer Window Thread

How would you rate the window?

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Carpy said:
I think the difficulty will be shifting people. We can't just not register them because we still then have to pay them, we'll need their wages to get in quality additions.

Dale, Thorniley, Ebiowei are the most likely outgoings I would think.

I would also look to offload Edwards and Leigh, bring back Currie and replace Edwards with someone likely to be available for at least 50% of our games.
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Jesus I forgot about Edwards. That sorry situation needs ending.

Agree with you though, I think outs are as important as ins. Currie surely needs to come back. Not sure how he’s getting on at Orient but left back is a serious problem not because Leigh is necessarily poor but because Des is avoiding a back 4 and I presume this is partially why.

There’s then several names who fit the ‘pointless them being here’ category if Des continues to marginalise them even when fit. Goodwin, Ebiowei, Thorniley, Sibley, Dale come to mind.

Between all of that is a good handful of spaces that we badly need to fill with some fresh energy and nouse. Ideally at centre back, up top, left wing and in midfield - oh, and a competent assistant manager with at least a decade at this level would also be the wish list.

Bigger question is, is this a blueprint the owners want to invest more in? If not, a big decision needs making. It’s approaching stick or twist.
 
Orkney Islands Yellow said:
It's crucial the spend in January is affordable/sustainable, Yeovil and Burton Albion went all out for a season or two in the Championship and look at them now.

Same with the stadium, we don't want a Darlington situation.
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So what would you recommend? We either go for it to try and stay in the league and maximise our revenue streams with the stadium, or what?

Burton are incredibly sustainable btw.
 
Swaby39 said:
It’s approaching stick or twist.
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No its not. It should never be stick or twist, it should be evolve, develop, grow.

Louis Sibley was brought in as someone with ability, but also as a development option. He is currently out injured but you'd already be looking to bin him off after a couple of months.

How does that look to players we're looking to recruit? Those who may have to move their families and change their kids schools? "Hit the ground running guys or we'll f**k you off in the summer!"

People keep saying that there's no sentiment in football but that's doesn't mean that we become complete c**ts when it comes to looking after our players. Remember its not long ago since the same people were saying that we should send Scarlett back because he didn't chase a lost cause or look interested.
 
Carpy said:
I think the difficulty will be shifting people. We can't just not register them because we still then have to pay them, we'll need their wages to get in quality additions.

Dale, Thorniley, Ebiowei are the most likely outgoings I would think.

I would also look to offload Edwards and Leigh, bring back Currie and replace Edwards with someone likely to be available for at least 50% of our games.
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Leigh stays FACT
 
Harris has to stay although needs to be benched for a couple of games. I want to see Goodwin play and can’t understand why he’s not.
A real,plus this season is Cumming. He can’t really be faulted for some of the great strikes yesterday.
Oxford have a fighting habit which is great, but it is concerning that we have to go to Sheffield on Tuesday really needing a result, preferably three points
 
Scotchegg said:
No its not. It should never be stick or twist, it should be evolve, develop, grow.

Louis Sibley was brought in as someone with ability, but also as a development option. He is currently out injured but you'd already be looking to bin him off after a couple of months.

How does that look to players we're looking to recruit? Those who may have to move their families and change their kids schools? "Hit the ground running guys or we'll f**k you off in the summer!"

People keep saying that there's no sentiment in football but that's doesn't mean that we become complete c**ts when it comes to looking after our players. Remember its not long ago since the same people were saying that we should send Scarlett back because he didn't chase a lost cause or look interested.
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Maybe in fantasy land where warm fuzzy feelings win football matches. My view of this is we’re now at a critical decision making point of the season. If there were a sensible time to make a change, we’re in it. This wasn’t one bad defeat in isolation, we’re in quick sand.

Sibley hardly got a look in when fit and when he did, he did his best to get sent off more than once. My point with him is if he’s behind the curve in Des’ mind, let’s accelerate that by letting him go until the summer while bettering ourselves with someone else. It needn’t be as terminal as you make it sound. If Des is going to use him and improve him then keep him with my blessing. If not, get someone in that he feels he can turn to. If you’d rather see us die on a hill with a clutch of players he’d rather not use just to look jazzy to players we want, you need to wake up.

You’re overthinking it. Say we let Sibley go, we haven’t ’given up’ on Goodrham, El Miz, Kioso, Cumming, Brown, Rodrigues, Moore all of which are getting their first consistent run of championship football thanks to this club. I don’t think we have to excuse ourself or apologise for letting a couple go that have not emerged in the same way when we’ve got so many examples of players whose careers are further on than ever. And let me flip it - what does it say to our existing players, many of which cited our ambition as a reason to join, if we trundle on as we are and don’t hold ourselves to a standard? Nobody’s is going to want to join if we hurtle in to January in this form either. That’s a far bigger worry.
 
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Swaby39 said:
Maybe in fantasy land where warm fuzzy feelings win football matches. My view of this is we’re now at a critical decision making point of the season. If there were a sensible time to make a change, we’re in it. This wasn’t one bad defeat in isolation, we’re in quick sand.

Sibley hardly got a look in when fit and when he did, he did his best to get sent off more than once. My point with him is if he’s behind the curve in Des’ mind, let’s accelerate that by letting him go until the summer while bettering ourselves with someone else. It needn’t be as terminal as you make it sound. If Des is going to use him and improve him then keep him with my blessing. If not, get someone in that he feels he can turn to. If you’d rather see us die on a hill with a clutch of players he’d rather not use just to look jazzy to players we want, you need to wake up.

You’re overthinking it. Say we let Sibley go, we haven’t ’given up’ on Goodrham, El Miz, Kioso, Cumming, Brown, Rodrigues, Moore all of which are getting their first consistent run of championship football thanks to this club. I don’t think we have to excuse ourself or apologise for letting a couple go that have not emerged in the same way when we’ve got so many examples of players whose careers are further on than ever. And let me flip it - what does it say to our existing players, many of which cited our ambition as a reason to join, if we trundle on as we are and don’t hold ourselves to a standard? Nobody’s is going to want to join if we hurtle in to January in this form either. That’s a far bigger worry.
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Seeing as it was only 18 months ago that you wanted to loan Tyler out as he wasn't ready for league one football, I would suggest that my "fuzzy feelings" are a little more effective than you think.
 
Scotchegg said:
Seeing as it was only 18 months ago that you wanted to loan Tyler out as he wasn't ready for league one football, I would suggest that my "fuzzy feelings" are a little more effective than you think.
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Can’t you both be right? Sibley looks off the standard fir now and might do better elsewhere for a bit, hopefully to return. I think our midfield is still our most disappointing area considering the signings we’ve made.
 
Swaby39 said:
Maybe in fantasy land where warm fuzzy feelings win football matches. My view of this is we’re now at a critical decision making point of the season. If there were a sensible time to make a change, we’re in it. This wasn’t one bad defeat in isolation, we’re in quick sand.

Sibley hardly got a look in when fit and when he did, he did his best to get sent off more than once. My point with him is if he’s behind the curve in Des’ mind, let’s accelerate that by letting him go until the summer while bettering ourselves with someone else. It needn’t be as terminal as you make it sound. If Des is going to use him and improve him then keep him with my blessing. If not, get someone in that he feels he can turn to. If you’d rather see us die on a hill with a clutch of players he’d rather not use just to look jazzy to players we want, you need to wake up.

You’re overthinking it. Say we let Sibley go, we haven’t ’given up’ on Goodrham, El Miz, Kioso, Cumming, Brown, Rodrigues, Moore all of which are getting their first consistent run of championship football thanks to this club. I don’t think we have to excuse ourself or apologise for letting a couple go that have not emerged in the same way when we’ve got so many examples of players whose careers are further on than ever. And let me flip it - what does it say to our existing players, many of which cited our ambition as a reason to join, if we trundle on as we are and don’t hold ourselves to a standard? Nobody’s is going to want to join if we hurtle in to January in this form either. That’s a far bigger worry.
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The real question is would you have Murphy back now?! 😉
 
IsleofWightYellow said:
The real question is would you have Murphy back now?! 😉
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Ha - well there’s no doubt we’re missing a player like that so if wages were no object and we were certain of getting the Murphy that left us then perhaps I’d consider a loan.

The trouble is, and I know this will be wildly unpopular to say, I don’t think it’s the players that are the issue currently.
 
Swaby39 said:
Ha - well there’s no doubt we’re missing a player like that so if wages were no object and we were certain of getting the Murphy that left us then perhaps I’d consider a loan.

The trouble is, and I know this will be wildly unpopular to say, I don’t think it’s the players that are the issue currently.
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How would you have managed the injury crisis?
 
Scotchegg said:
Seeing as it was only 18 months ago that you wanted to loan Tyler out as he wasn't ready for league one football, I would suggest that my "fuzzy feelings" are a little more effective than you think.
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Yes and we can all be wrong, can’t we? It doesn’t pain me to see what a fantastic player he is but that’s where hindsight can be used to make some of us look stupid and others look like know it alls.

I don’t care who you are, nobody saw Goodrham being this good 18 months ago from where we were as a club, let alone our stand out player in the championship.
 
There’s an element of wanting to throw the baby out with the bath water a bit in this thread. Let’s not forget, at the start of the season with a fully fit squad, we were more than holding our own at this level. A big part of our current issues stem from havign recruited to play a certain way and having been forced into alternatives becquse of injuries.

I think if we’re looking to move anybody on, it has to be those who haven’t contributed at all. Ebiowei I would say is an example. When wingers are so crucial to how we ideally play, having someone taking up a space in the squad / on the bench who is a winger and who is clearly showing so little in training it’s required us to move to a formation that doesn’t require wingers speaks volumes. Similarly Dale. Unfortunate because I love him as a player and he played a huge role in our promotion, but it’s obvious how much more toothless we look with him on the pitch. And, again, as others have said, as exciting and quality as Edwards is when fit, we simply can’t accommodate someone who just isn’t fit. Feels very KR to keep him around.

But saying we need to get rid of the likes of Leigh, who really has contributed this year (two goals and had a really good game at Watford), seems reactionary. He has a really good instinct in the opposition box (both goals this season from him reacting quickest to a knock down, and he showed in that spell last year he’s good in front of goal), which has proved valuable. Sure, long term, we can look to do better, but we can say that for every player in the squad.

If Nelson doesn’t return we clearly need a new CB for depth at the very least. And, as good as Moore and Brown were at the start of the season, yesterday showed we need some pace at the back, which those two both quite conspicuously lack. I think we also need wingers, as my second paragraph highlights. With Dembele and Phillips, alongside PP and TG, a couple more robust, quality wingers would do wonders for our squad depth and ability to affect games from the bench.

In the summer I’d like to see us augment the spine - a more progressive Vaulks and a CAM in the RR model but with that bit more championship speed - but we have to be realistic: given the level of investment in that area in the summer, I don’t think it’ll be seen as a priority this window.

The Harris question is a real tough one. I absolutely love him, and was burnt last year after the Leyton away game by saying I’d lost faith in him, as he then obviously had a couple of spells which played a big part in our promotion. But it is painfully conspicuous how little goal threat he’s offering at the moment. Even if he does now come good (for a bit), the ability of Scarlett to put away half chances has really thrown a harsh light on how much were missing from Sparky at the moment. I don’t know who we could get in, but being able to start someone like Al Hamadi, who offers the physicality to augment our general play as well as the ability to put the ball in the net, feels like it would be transformative at the moment. Presumably Harris will hit a vein of form again at some point - he’s getting the chances - but we just can’t wait for that at the moment.
 
I do find the idea of des under pressure a complete joke. I’m not sure what we expected after going up in May.

The fact is there are no games in this league we would look at and say a definite win against them. The gap between league 1 and championship is massive and the bottom line is we need to finish one place outside of the relegation zone. If we do that come May then nobody will talk about the boro game yesterday.

I am actually hoping yesterday’s result is a blessing as it will make us re think and hopefully learn from some harsh lessons. The Bolton away game last season was the turning point for des and the boys because a new plan was put in place after that game. If we carry on making the same mistakes then we wll struggle and deserve to keep getting beaten. The season starts on Tuesday. Let’s keep faith . 💛💙
 
Bucks yellow said:
I do find the idea of des under pressure a complete joke. I’m not sure what we expected after going up in May.

The fact is there are no games in this league we would look at and say a definite win against them. The gap between league 1 and championship is massive and the bottom line is we need to finish one place outside of the relegation zone. If we do that come May then nobody will talk about the boro game yesterday.

I am actually hoping yesterday’s result is a blessing as it will make us re think and hopefully learn from some harsh lessons. The Bolton away game last season was the turning point for des and the boys because a new plan was put in place after that game. If we carry on making the same mistakes then we wll struggle and deserve to keep getting beaten. The season starts on Tuesday. Let’s keep faith . 💛💙
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There are clearly a few posters who are doing their very best to create the impression that Des is a couple of games away from a sacking
 
chromeyellow said:
How would you have managed the injury crisis?
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It wasn’t a crisis, we haven’t struggled to fill a bench. This is the biggest squad we’ve had in years and you’re making out like there was only one way to skin the cat.

We lost Brannagan but still had 5 central midfielders fit at the time, 6 if you include Goodrham. Ok we lost the bulk our wingers and that’s some seriously rotten luck. But does that mean every game without them is a free hit and we just get what we can and be thankful for it? Rubbish. Roll up the sleeves and find another way. In 10+ games Des hasn’t done that well enough and I’m afraid his dependence on high quality wingers is becoming his undoing.

I applaud him for changing the shape and what he’s chosen, in theory, makes sense for what we have but the execution has been dire and it’s been the beginning of us going in to our shell. We’re playing like we’re in a dog fight akin to when Manning joined which we aren’t, yet. Stay in that zone and we’ll be relegated, it’s really that simple. He’s got to be brave on Tuesday because if we set up in a 541 and get smashed again i think that’ll be that.

At what point was a 4231 off the cards, all the below have been fit prior to yesterday.

Cumming
Kioso, Moore, Brown, Leigh
Vaulks, El Miz
Harris/Ebiowei, Rodrigues, Goodrham
Scarlett

Sub in anyone you like of Nelson, McEachran, Ter Avest, Dale, Long, Sibley

It’s all a bit of a smokescreen. We’ve been unlucky to have such a concentration of injuries in wide areas but to pretend we couldn’t field a respectable team is crazy.
 
Swaby39 said:
It wasn’t a crisis, we haven’t struggled to fill a bench. This is the biggest squad we’ve had in years and you’re making out like there was only one way to skin the cat.

We lost Brannagan but still had 5 central midfielders fit at the time, 6 if you include Goodrham. Ok we lost the bulk our wingers and that’s some seriously rotten luck. But does that mean every game without them is a free hit and we just get what we can and be thankful for it? Rubbish. Roll up the sleeves and find another way. In 10+ games Des hasn’t done that well enough and I’m afraid his dependence on high quality wingers is becoming his undoing.

I applaud him for changing the shape and what he’s chosen, in theory, makes sense for what we have but the execution has been dire and it’s been the beginning of us going in to our shell. We’re playing like we’re in a dog fight akin to when Manning joined which we aren’t, yet. Stay in that zone and we’ll be relegated, it’s really that simple. He’s got to be brave on Tuesday because if we set up in a 541 and get smashed again i think that’ll be that.

At what point was a 4231 off the cards, all the below have been fit prior to yesterday.

Cumming
Kioso, Moore, Brown, Leigh
Vaulks, El Miz
Harris/Ebiowei, Rodrigues, Goodrham
Scarlett

Sub in anyone you like of Nelson, McEachran, Ter Avest, Dale, Long, Sibley

It’s all a bit of a smokescreen. We’ve been unlucky to have such a concentration of injuries in wide areas but to pretend we couldn’t field a respectable team is crazy.
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That team’s a bit meh though. The midfielders aren’t currently performing well enough, Rodrigues hardly gets involved and the right wing is weak.
 
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