Ex-Player Thread Stuart Findlay

Aren’t we rumoured to be interested in Andrew Moran from Brighton (Tony Blooms other/main club) maybe we didn’t play hardball as a sweetener. 🤷‍♂️
 
I think his downfall started in his first competitive game for the I’s away to Derby and him giving the ball away and then they score and we lose….. which spoilt the nice hotdog i had eaten earlier.
 
Just bring him back. New manager might like him. Hearts would be gutted to lose him given that they haven't been in such a strong position in the Scottish Premier league title race for years
 
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Hearts have pulled our pants down here.Findlay probably has been offered a contract by Hearts over the course of the last 18 months but he is obviously getting paid more by us.I imagine we are paying the biggest chunk on the deal as well
Why wait until the summer they could have him on a permanent basis now?
I have thought for some time we are not tough enough with clubs when it comes to loans
 
Wallop said:
But we don't know what deal has been done. It might be that Hearts have agreed to pay all his wages for the rest of this season and/or a fee to secure the signing now. It might be that we have agreed to continue paying the % of wages we do now and will receive no fee.

The point is no-one on this forum knows yet people are berating the club.
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"and/or a fee to secure the signing now" - they don't need to, it is an "international" deal, so its in the terms of the Bosman deal re signing a pre-contract in January ahead of contract expiring in June.
 
bazzer9461 said:
I think his downfall started in his first competitive game for the I’s away to Derby and him giving the ball away and then they score and we lose….. which spoilt the nice hotdog i had eaten earlier.
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He was actually superb in that game prior to that mistake. I remember watching thinking we had a proper player on our hands.

He went on to have some other very good games but there was one away somewhere in the winter (want to say Ipswich?) where we had a collective shocker and Robinson seemingly singled him out. After that it was effectively over but he played his part under Manning.
 
The Mighty Aldo said:
Hearts have pulled our pants down here.Findlay probably has been offered a contract by Hearts over the course of the last 18 months but he is obviously getting paid more by us.I imagine we are paying the biggest chunk on the deal as well
Why wait until the summer they could have him on a permanent basis now?
I have thought for some time we are not tough enough with clubs when it comes to loans
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Exactly. Which is why we should recall him. They've shown their hand - they want him now and for the foreseeable. They just don't want to pay.

We finally have leverage due to Hearts having a great season and Findlay being integral to it. They don't want to lose him. He won't want to miss the next few months for them.

Recall him. Circulate his name to the other SPL clubs.

"Sorry lads, Hibs are willing to pay all his wages til the end of the season. Now f*ck off".
 
The Mighty Aldo said:
Hearts have pulled our pants down here.Findlay probably has been offered a contract by Hearts over the course of the last 18 months but he is obviously getting paid more by us.I imagine we are paying the biggest chunk on the deal as well
Why wait until the summer they could have him on a permanent basis now?
I have thought for some time we are not tough enough with clubs when it comes to loans
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International rules must apply here via Bosman. Findlay has the right to sign with another club internationally and not domestically 6 months before the end of his contract - which he’s done as Scotland I believe doesn’t count as a domestic club. If it was another English club they’d have a month before expiry to do deal.

Ultimately - we’ve been foolish here not demanding perm deal for him last summer. Hearts and Findlay have been clever. We could recall him and add him to squad though… highly doubt we’ll bother. No club is going to want to loan a player that is joining another club in the summer, no point and high risk/no return. Truly awful business from us.
 
Hearts are an Ace Club, they Jacked us off for a Diamond, but he was shite for us - you have to call a Spade a Spade but he'll get Knighted if they become Kings of the SPL.
 
brightonyellow said:
International rules must apply here via Bosman. Findlay has the right to sign with another club internationally and not domestically 6 months before the end of his contract - which he’s done as Scotland I believe doesn’t count as a domestic club. If it was another English club they’d have a month before expiry to do deal.

Ultimately - we’ve been foolish here not demanding perm deal for him last summer. Hearts and Findlay have been clever. We could recall him and add him to squad though… highly doubt we’ll bother. No club is going to want to loan a player that is joining another club in the summer, no point and high risk/no return. Truly awful business from us.
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We should tell them Hibs have offered to take him on loan and pay all his wages for the the rest of the season 🤣.
 
SirAndyOfCrosby said:
Exactly. Which is why we should recall him. They've shown their hand - they want him now and for the foreseeable. They just don't want to pay.

We finally have leverage due to Hearts having a great season and Findlay being integral to it. They don't want to lose him. He won't want to miss the next few months for them.

Recall him. Circulate his name to the other SPL clubs.

"Sorry lads, Hibs are willing to pay all his wages til the end of the season. Now f*ck off".
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For the third time in this thread, how do you know that we haven't?

Not every negotiation is played out in public. I don't know whether the club have played the hardest of hard balls or have rolled over and had their tummies tickled. Unless someone ITK has any inkling of what we are contributing to his salary up at Hearts, none of us plebs will ever know.

Stop getting so wound up by scenarios you have made up in your head.
 
unification said:
For the third time in this thread, how do you know that we haven't?

Not every negotiation is played out in public. I don't know whether the club have played the hardest of hard balls or have rolled over and had their tummies tickled. Unless someone ITK has any inkling of what we are contributing to his salary up at Hearts, none of us plebs will ever know.

Stop getting so wound up by scenarios you have made up in your head.
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Yep. Just wondering if clubs can even make a profit on players by renting them out? If not then perhaps they should.
 
Under The Cuckoo Lane said:
Yep. Just wondering if clubs can even make a profit on players by renting them out? If not then perhaps they should.
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They can demand what they want - a loan fee, wages etc. He’s our player until he’s not, and he’s integral to them.

At the very least I’d be saying to Hearts we want a fee that covers our share of his wages up to July up front. What’s that… £250k?

Hearts are active right now and vying for the title, backed by an incredibly wealthy bloke and their manager adores him. Can’t tell me that’s beyond them.

It might be we play nice through January to get this done amicably, but if not resolved a couple of days before the window closes we play nasty. I sure hope so.
 
unification said:
For the third time in this thread, how do you know that we haven't?

Not every negotiation is played out in public. I don't know whether the club have played the hardest of hard balls or have rolled over and had their tummies tickled. Unless someone ITK has any inkling of what we are contributing to his salary up at Hearts, none of us plebs will ever know.

Stop getting so wound up by scenarios you have made up in your head.
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Love all of the speculation on here.
I don’t think anyone has a clue what the terms of the loan are.
For all we know hearts are paying his wage in full.

Asking to bring him back is unprofessional, and looks like the kid who is loosing a football match picking up the ball and going home with it.

We’ve done a bad bit in f business. We need to learn from it and try not to repeat it.
 
Marston Road Yellow said:
Love all of the speculation on here.
I don’t think anyone has a clue what the terms of the loan are.
For all we know hearts are paying his wage in full.

Asking to bring him back is unprofessional, and looks like the kid who is loosing a football match picking up the ball and going home with it.

We’ve done a bad bit in f business. We need to learn from it and try not to repeat it.
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Hold on
If Hearts are paying his wages in full, it’s not bad business,
If Gary Rowett had thought Findlay was the right person for us we would have had him back last year at this time or certainly in the summer.
Who knows what the deal is? But I suspect if we were asked to pay too much we could have looked at other options
 
The player most certainly won't agree to come back and extremely bad faith if we try to force the issue plus we were lucky to get any club to agree to his loan over all this time. Stop talking about him and move on - a bad bit of KR business which I'm sure even he admits to.
 
daveoufc said:
Pretty sure I heard he has already agreed to join Hearts in the summer
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He has but he is contracted to us till the summer. I have a feeling any recall, if it ever existed, has expired now. Some you win, some you lose, we definitely lost on Findlay.
 
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