Ex-Player Thread Stuart Findlay

SirAndyOfCrosby said:
Perfect. All the more reason to have them over a barrell. Recall now.

Hearts either give us some cash and get him out of this contract now. Or cover all his wages.

Or just f*ck off and he can sit in block 9 of the SSU for four months whilst Hearts finish a great season and he looks on from afar.

Show some f*cking backbone. They're not poor. They're taking the p**s out of us.
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How do you know we haven’t?

The old cliche is that 10% of football is played on the pitch. You don’t know whether we have been having those conversations with Hearts and Findlay anyway.

We don’t actually have to recall him and parade him around our training ground just to get a better deal and make a point. It may well have happened without having to resort to anything performative or public declarations of a recall.
 
Don’t blame Findlay at all. He and his representatives have played a blinder.

If we’re too limp to get something out of them for this final 6 months, while also helping our own financial cause, then we’re our own worst enemy.

How would they feel if he were to come back here and not kick a ball for 6 months before he embarks on a 2 year contract? Grow some balls OUFC.
 
Swaby39 said:
Don’t blame Findlay at all. He and his representatives have played a blinder.

If we’re too limp to get something out of them for this final 6 months, while also helping our own financial cause, then we’re our own worst enemy.

How would they feel if he were to come back here and not kick a ball for 6 months before he embarks on a 2 year contract? Grow some balls OUFC.
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Its OUFC, we will probably put an announcement out congratulating him.
 
I sincerely hope the club are all over this.

If we get in now then there's every chance we can secure him on loan for the 26/27 campaign.
 
Wallop said:
So none of us know the terms of any deal that has been agreed yet everyone's kicking the club on here.
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Well we are paying a chunk of his wages, he is a Hearts player and they want for a further two seasons after this one, that would seem to me a good time to say they either pay more or we recall him? I am no Donald Trump but even I can see we are in a position to improve our situation here.
 
Wallop said:
So none of us know the terms of any deal that has been agreed yet everyone's kicking the club on here.
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If a deal were done club to club, we would’ve announced it. All that’s happened is hearts are saying he’s theirs permanently from the summer which they don’t need us to agree.

We may yet do something and as if we didn’t have enough leverage, Hearts have now showed their hand by committing to him long term. There’s a ransom situation staring them in the face, unless of course we didn’t give ourselves a right to recall.
 
Swaby39 said:
If a deal were done club to club, we would’ve announced it. All that’s happened is hearts are saying he’s theirs permanently from the summer which they don’t need us to agree.

We may yet do something and as if we didn’t have enough leverage, Hearts have now showed their hand by committing to him long term. There’s a ransom situation staring them in the face, unless of course we didn’t give ourselves a right to recall.
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I bet they would have had a right to send him back though.

Who actually does our loan deals out? Waldron?
 
greatunclekip said:
It has to be a recall and the rest of the season on our terms now. Show our teeth for once ffs.
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We need to do a Trump-style raid and kidnapping now, and hold him in Kidlington near the Exeter Hall. Otherwise, what's the point?!
 
holdsteady said:
Well we are paying a chunk of his wages, he is a Hearts player and they want for a further two seasons after this one, that would seem to me a good time to say they either pay more or we recall him? I am no Donald Trump but even I can see we are in a position to improve our situation here.
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But we don't know what deal has been done. It might be that Hearts have agreed to pay all his wages for the rest of this season and/or a fee to secure the signing now. It might be that we have agreed to continue paying the % of wages we do now and will receive no fee.

The point is no-one on this forum knows yet people are berating the club.
 
Bigdwoolly said:
It's good this forum isn't it - we have no details on what has happened with Findlay, we might be paying Hearts to take him, they might be paying us a loan fee, but people just assume we've messed it up to such a terrible degree.
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100% - all the negative posters above are guessing - there is no evidence either way. I'm not saying that we have done a deal with Hearts but there is no evidence to suggest we haven't.
 
Wallop said:
But we don't know what deal has been done. It might be that Hearts have agreed to pay all his wages for the rest of this season and/or a fee to secure the signing now. It might be that we have agreed to continue paying the % of wages we do now and will receive no fee.

The point is no-one on this forum knows yet people are berating the club.
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Its probably a knee jerk reaction but until I hear we have done a better deal I will assume we have managed to be turned over from a position of strength.

The only one not culpable in this is Craig Short as interim manager, its not his department.
 
unification said:
Once again, how you know we haven’t negotiated with Hearts for them to take more of his wages on?

You’re all assuming they are continuing to do so and getting frothy about it despite no evidence either way.

Chill a bit.
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OK, but the club could come out and clarify?
 
Victor1986 said:
OK, but the club could come out and clarify?
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Why? I’ve never heard a club say ‘Player A is going on loan to Club B who have agreed to pay X% of his wages’. Football finance is more secretive than ever. Why should we go on the record saying what the deal is with Hearts?

Sure, it leaves a vacuum for us to ‘debate’ these kind of things but without ever really knowing how much we’re paying Findlay to not play for us, aren’t some on here getting too worked up about hypothetical scenarios?
 
Bigdwoolly said:
It's good this forum isn't it - we have no details on what has happened with Findlay, we might be paying Hearts to take him, they might be paying us a loan fee, but people just assume we've messed it up to such a terrible degree.
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The bloody best, you should see other forums, they can barely string a few sentences together, we manage loads of sentences which are nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Anyone know what Findlays first car was?
 
Bigdwoolly said:
It's good this forum isn't it - we have no details on what has happened with Findlay, we might be paying Hearts to take him, they might be paying us a loan fee, but people just assume we've messed it up to such a terrible degree.
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True but in this period of the season, particularly without a manager, I think fans want to be seeing their club actively doing something positive. It’s not something for fans to beat the club or management over the head with it’s a communication opportunity for the club to prove it is operating well off the pitch and with an announcement made in this way that opportunity has been missed.

The history with this particular player has not been good for us and if we have fucked up then people should be held responsible in some way. The difference here is that he is allowed to negotiate a deal in the last 6 months of his contract with a club from a FA in another country.

It would be no different to say Marc Guehi at Palace agreeing terms with RM or Barcelona now and that prospective club announcing it.

His agent will have been working for him to get a deal done with Hearts as he is out of contract with us. Signing that agreement now gives the player protection. God forbid he got a serious injury at Hearts in February and got sent back to us for the rest of the season in the knowledge he would not get a contract from anyone whilst he was laid up. We end up with all his wages and the poor lad potentially ends up staring down the barrel of the end of his career.

These things are complicated and we may have received something to release him now rather than paying him ourselves. Yes we will have been stitched up but there are a few around the club we are also paying who are equally poor business. They will be gone this summer and I think before they slam the door shut the SMT will be out too.
 
Recall him let him warm his backside . In the summer they'll have a very unfit player and a key part of the runin missing if indeed we have a recall????

Or hearts pay a higher % if not already agreed
 
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