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Scotchegg
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Was number 2 last year, and in the top 5 for the last 10 years.
Village-Yellow
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What it doesn’t say is whether the name is top because more Muslim boys are being born or if Christian names are more varied .
Village-Yellow
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So an upward trend ?
It says there are a lot of Muhammad's.
Scotchegg
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Were you concerned about a lot of Noah's last year?
Did I say I was concerned no I didn't.
Sheik djibouti
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Oliver went up in popularity but there were less Olivers, same with Henry's. The rise in Luca's is bigger than the rise in Muhammads
But yeah, the fact that there is one and one only name of Islamic origin in that list really does suggest that Christian derived baby naming is (as the Eggman says) more vaired.
Scotchegg
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I think it's clear what your point is. Just think it's lazy and ill informed.
We all have different views I'm afraid.
Sheik djibouti
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And would your view be that there are too many Muhammads?
No would yours?
Sheik djibouti
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No, my view would be that I couldn't give a toss
Village-Yellow
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Oliver went up in popularity but there were less Olivers, same with Henry's. The rise in Luca's is bigger than the rise in Muhammads
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But yeah, the fact that there is one and one only name of Islamic origin in that list really does suggest that Christian derived baby naming is (as the Eggman says) more vaired.
Whilst that is always going to be a case to distort the actual positioning in the table. The actual trend is more of a useful analysis :-
2018 (8) 3507
2019 (7) 3604 (+97)
2020 (5) 3710 (+106)
2021 (5) 3722 (+12)
2022 (2) 4177 (+455)
2023 (1) 4661 (+484) = +33% up on 2018
The trend would be more useful if you had included percentage of total in there, not just total. Total by itself is irrelevant if you don't know the total number of male births. Your total could go up but total share go down if the number of births has increased (or viceversa if it has gone down).
Making conclusions using one data metric is never useful.
Eric Blair
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Data pedant as well as grammar pedant. Good man
Well I am a database programmer by trade...
Village-Yellow
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That's fair comment.
Taking just the first 100 names from available data and incorporating Muhammed/Mohammed/Mohammad :-
2018 - 167955 (6233) = 3.7%
2019 - 160840 (6163) = 3.8%
2020 - 149404 (6076) = 4%
2021 - 150338 (6060) = 4%
2022 - 143229 (6715) = 4.6%
2023 - 135128 (7097) = 5.2%
That's a better dataset. There is of course still more we could do, like maybe get the religion data for parents which would focus the trend in a bit more, but I'd be surprised if that was available as it is a protected characteristic under GDPR. But just adding in the percentages has made a difference. You can see, for instance, the number of babies with this name dropped 3 years in a row from 2018, but the percentages went up due to drops in the total number of births.
