West Oxon U’s
Level: Phil Whitehead
(238 Apps)
- Year of First Game
- 1975
National News Sir Keir Starmer
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Level: Phil Whitehead
Scotchegg
Level: James Constable
(280 Apps, 106 Gls)
Thats taken entirely out of context. The point he was making, and admitted to the wording being in jest, was that the UK has a proud history of upholding the rule of law, even if it goes against what they want.
The International Courts found that we have no right to occupy land of another sovereign nation, and it must be returned. However, a deal was struck to maintain a crucial military base here and we are paying to maintain this.
I'm not sure what the alternative is?
Go against International law and weaken our position when objecting to Russia in Ukraine etc?
Or give up access to a military base on the Island?
The International Courts found that we have no right to occupy land of another sovereign nation, and it must be returned. However, a deal was struck to maintain a crucial military base here and we are paying to maintain this.
I'm not sure what the alternative is?
Go against International law and weaken our position when objecting to Russia in Ukraine etc?
Or give up access to a military base on the Island?
BrockBuster
Level: Callum O'Dowda
(106 Apps, 14 Gls)
Does this mean America are going to give Hawaii back to the Hawaiian's given they had no legal 'ownership' in the first place? World is full of prick nations taking what they want - we did it for hundreds of years.
At least now we're trying to put right what we once did wrong. (Albeit only when forced by the courts).
At least now we're trying to put right what we once did wrong. (Albeit only when forced by the courts).
Almost every single more technologically advanced civilisation throughout history took land from other people.
How far do we go back? Can we demand reparations from Italy for the Roman occupation?
It's not that they were "prick nations" they were simply operating at a time before modern day values had been established.
I can assure you basically every single society in human history would have stolen land if more powerful than their neighbouring societies.
We not live in vastly different times where concepts like social Darwinism have thankfully been consigned to history.
Modern day values as displayed by Russia in Ukraine, China in the South China Sea, Israel in the West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon and East Jerusalem, Myanmar, Yemen, DRC, Sudan, Maghreb, Kashmir? Those ones??
My point is just that societies have always invaded other societies throughout the entirety of human history. Almost every single country could look back at a time they were conquered by another. When would reparations ever end?
Could the UK look into reparations for the Norman Conquest or the Roman Invasion, or seek damages from Germany for WW2? In 1953 an agreement cancelled 50% of Germany's debt which helped propel them into a successful economy. Rationing didn't end here until 1954.
The Chagos Islands deal is a ludicrous one.
Your point about modern conflicts rather shows what I say is true. Conquering other civilisations is no longer seen as the norm which is why Russia and China are condemned internationally for their behaviour.
Condemned internationally, maybe. But it doesn’t stop them, so I fail to understand what “modern day values” you reference, especially as my list isn’t near to exhaustive and would suggest this “behaviour” maybe is the norm….
Marston Road yellow
Level: Callum O'Dowda
(106 Apps, 14 Gls)
Should we be giving a hard time to Russia for invading Ukraine, Israel invading Gaza etc and then ignore international law?
The UK was taken to court and it lost.
It really is that simple. We lost a ruling and negotiated to keep our military there under agreement to stop further court action.
You may think that the amount we’re paying is too high ( or too low ? ) but the ruling and the compensation are our legal obligation.
The UK was taken to court and it lost.
It really is that simple. We lost a ruling and negotiated to keep our military there under agreement to stop further court action.
You may think that the amount we’re paying is too high ( or too low ? ) but the ruling and the compensation are our legal obligation.
Scotchegg
Level: James Constable
(280 Apps, 106 Gls)
What is ludicrous about this deal?
Not only does it make us look weak on the international stage to dangerous aggressors like China. It will also cost the taxpayer billions.
There absolutely must have been a better solution.
Scotchegg
Level: James Constable
(280 Apps, 106 Gls)
What is this better solution?
The deal isn't costing billions. We're paying to maintain a vital military base on the Island, or would you prefer that we just gave that up to save money?
And how does this make us look weak? Abiding by International Law with the full support of America and all of our key allies?
Let's be honest, this is nothing more than a cheap politically motivated stunt by the opposition parties to create this fake outrage over something that no one cared about a couple of months ago.
Its FoSB claiming that the Triangle is an eco-haven and valuable part of the local community being played out on an International stage.
And people are falling for it!
QR
Level: Paul Moody
(197 Apps, 75 Gls)
There is. Don't 'acquire' land that isn't yours in the first place!
£3.4 billion over 99 years
0.2% of the UKs defence budget.
Over that time period, it really is in the realms of a treasury rounding error.
In any case, it doesn't matter what the faux outraged opposition think . . all that matters is that Trump and Rubio like it . . . END OF STORY . . .right?
OUFCwaffle
Level: Yemi Odubade
(158 Apps, 31 Gls)
Do 1-4 year old children born in the UK count in those statistics?
West Oxon U’s
Level: Phil Whitehead
(238 Apps)
- Year of First Game
- 1975
Sir Keir Starmer skewered by the BBC and the Guardian.
Lammy would be far far more of a disaster than Starmer.
Starmer is obviously intelligent but just out of touch and a textbook rigid politician who has no personality or ideas of his own.
Lammy is genuinely unintelligent. Rayner not much better.
So the land belongs to the natives?
So we can demand all the middle east owned skyscrapers in London return to us?
It's weird how some on the left make the argument land belongs to the natives when it comes to Gaza, but when it comes to Europe it's about a borderless world and multiculturalism.
It's not the exact same thing no but it has always struck me there's a logic gap there.
Some people on here play the same game when they equate British immigration to Spain to mass immigration into the UK
QR
Level: Paul Moody
(197 Apps, 75 Gls)
What a bizarre 'equivalent'. There is a difference between taking something and buying something.
Hows that going though. Are China and Russia about to start playing by international law just because we start self flagellating? I bet they aren't going to fall in line with international law over south china sea navigation and Ukraine. Countries only respond to cold hard force except the wet ones like ourselves. Just once i want a government of the UK to do what's right for us and only us. I want a selfish government that puts British interest first.
QR
Level: Paul Moody
(197 Apps, 75 Gls)
The bottom line is we are complying with the International Court of Justice because, irrespective who you or I might think had the strongest claim to the Islands, one thing's for sure, it ain't the UK.
Didn't your mum ever tell you 'two wrongs don't make a right'?
Great post.
Globalists will never put Britain first. They've got no loyalty to us at all.
It doesnt matter what is right or wrong it is a simple case of survival of the fittest. It doesnt matter how wrong i find the Russian invasion of Ukraine it doesnt' alter the fact that Russia is looking likely to succeed. When we bombed Dresden or the US dropping atomic weapons on cities was that wrong? because ultimately it helped both win the wars. Sometimes you can't make an omlett without breaking some eggs.
QR
Level: Paul Moody
(197 Apps, 75 Gls)
It's doesn't matter if you're happy to live in a dystopian works but if you're aiming just a little higher I suggest it's the only thing that matters.
Excellent, utilitarianism vs. deontology reaches Yellows Forum.
I'm sure we can decide this one once and for all - moral philosophers have only been debating this one for centuries!
Marston Road yellow
Level: Callum O'Dowda
(106 Apps, 14 Gls)
Utterly daft post
How could we object morally to an invasion of Ukraine, or Poland or Romania when we would ignore international law.
Wasnt Brexit about doing what was right for us.
I do hate it when the re foamers foam up about when Britain was great and not ruled by Europe and then realise that the leaders you get are the same but just British. I can’t wait to see Nigel Farright flip from one thing to another fixing it with no money…….
That's also pretty daft and nieve how is our moral outrage holding up Ukraine are the Russian unlikely to prevail because we deployed moral outrage.
The language you employ about people who think differently to you is just as hysterical as the very people who you mock.
Marston Road yellow
Level: Callum O'Dowda
(106 Apps, 14 Gls)
You suggested that we should ignore international law and show some backbone and be selfish, I disagreed and think it’s a daft notion to break the law but I’m hysterical.
I love the way the right wing think that anyone who thinks the right is daft is hysterical. I am quite funny but I wouldn’t say hysterically so.
I love the way the right wing think that anyone who thinks the right is daft is hysterical. I am quite funny but I wouldn’t say hysterically so.
