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So they mislead us whilst eternally blaming the other side........... rinse and repeat.

Maybe, just maybe, Truss`s assessment of the "blob" wasn`t far off and she wasn`t scared to break a few eggs to cook the omelette?

We`ll never know. 🤷‍♂️
Do you genuinely think that although everyone else thought it was a bonkers idea she was right????
 
Personally would like to see Labour be bold and tax any second home ownership to a ridiculous degree, stop foreign home ownership (or tax it to an eye-watering amount), ban leasehold and ideally eventually move to a situation where a home is exactly that, not an investment opportunity. Make it so that people and businesses that are renting out homes can't make a profit off of it, with the idea that house prices will drop over time back down to somewhere close to an affordable level.

Won't happen in a million years as everyone on the ladder don't want to lose what they've invested and apparently as long as the people with money (and in turn multiple properties) are making a profit with the least amount of effort, then apparently that's seen as a good thing for the economy.
Sounds like the economics of envy and I’m not entirely sure that rolling back on 2nd homes etc will come close to reversing the lack of availability or affordability.
Since Thatcher, every Government has introduced policies that have generally,only accelerated the rise in house prices .
Abandon the ongoing obsession with house ownership.
Just ensure that all councils build in scale ,good quality council houses, with secure tenancies to rent .
 
Sounds like the economics of envy and I’m not entirely sure that rolling back on 2nd homes etc will come close to reversing the lack of availability or affordability.
Since Thatcher, every Government has introduced policies that have generally,only accelerated the rise in house prices .
Abandon the ongoing obsession with house ownership.
Just ensure that all councils build in scale ,good quality council houses, with secure tenancies to rent .

How many houses are we looking at building to do that?
 
Do you think that landlords should be taxed to a ridiculous degree too? If so would this not mean tenants would be evicted as landlords wouldn’t be able to afford to accommodate them. They’d also have to sell at a loss any houses they own.
They provide a service to tenants. Not all landlords are unscrupulous.
I'd actually want the state to take more ownership of the rental market ideally. In Germany a fifth of the rental market is owned by the state, and I'd legislate the s**t out of the rest. Or support not for profits to do so and build from that.

But yes, appreciate this is getting dangerously close to elements of communism. I just don't think people should be making significant profits from providing a basic right - a roof over your head. It's not difficult or clever to be able to buy a property and make money off of it, there's no real skill involved given how the market is with no signs of abating. You just need the capital in the first place.

Appreciate this is a very simplistic 'holier than thou' in some respects view, but I honestly believe it's unethical to own a second home or buy one as a money making scheme.
 
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Do you genuinely think that although everyone else thought it was a bonkers idea she was right????

We will never know because it never happened, people can think its "bonkers" and it might have really wobbled the markets but, because folk always make money when markets wobble, it would soon have settled down.

The OBR & BoE are both independent institutions constrain any "radical" action of the government. While these constraints are generally beneficial to the economy, they also make it almost impossible to develop a radical agenda.

Nobody can say it would or would not have worked. 🤷‍♂️
 
I bet everyone is awaiting the Rachel from Accounts statement on Wednesday.
I’m sure the working man will be exempt from taxation. Haven’t heard that term for a while. It looks like that will come back to haunt them.
Promises to be an interesting time at the local elections. Probably will include an interesting outcome by election result too
 
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I bet everyone is awaiting the Rachel from Accounts statement on Wednesday.
I’m sure the working man will be exempt from taxation. Haven’t heard that term for a while. It looks like that will come back to haunt them.
Promises to be an interesting time at the local elections. Probably will include an interesting outcome by election result too
Hopefully she was working on her statement during this week's Sabrina Carpenter gig, where she got a lovely free corporate box as a thanks for ruining the economy.

Never change, Rach.
 
We will never know because it never happened, people can think its "bonkers" and it might have really wobbled the markets but, because folk always make money when markets wobble, it would soon have settled down.

The OBR & BoE are both independent institutions constrain any "radical" action of the government. While these constraints are generally beneficial to the economy, they also make it almost impossible to develop a radical agenda.

Nobody can say it would or would not have worked. 🤷‍♂️
I’m sorry but we do know.
It wasn’t the obr or the BoE that crashed the market.
 
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I’m sorry but we do know.
It wasn’t the obr or the BoE that crashed the market.

It was fear of the unknown - that`s all.

You can`t know anything about something that never actually happened........... just saying what they planned frit people.

And "the market" did what it always does.......... made some folk very wealthy.
 
It was fear of the unknown - that`s all.

You can`t know anything about something that never actually happened........... just saying what they planned frit people.

And "the market" did what it always does.......... made some folk very wealthy.


Wasn’t the plan to borrow more money to cut tax for the wealthiest???
Trick(le) down economics

I can’t see how borrowing money at an eye watering rate to get less back in revenue has any hallmarks of a good economic policy.

It wasn’t even a good idea in principle let alone practice. It brought down her premiership and made her and the chancellor a joke.

I’m not surprised that you are once again defending the indefensible.
 
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Wasn’t the plan to borrow more money to cut tax for the wealthiest???
Trick(le) down economics

I can’t see how borrowing money at an eye watering rate to get less back in revenue has any hallmarks of a good economic policy.

It wasn’t even a good idea in principle let alone practice. It brought down her premiership and made her and the chancellor a joke.

I’m not surprised that you are once again defending the indefensible.

Tell the class which of these were "bad"?

Scrapping the 45% rate.
Reducing basic rate by 1%
Cancelling the NI rise that was due.
Scrap the corporation tax increase.
Raising the Stamp Duty threshold to £250k. (£425k for first time buyers).
Freeze energy bills at £2500.
Prioritising key infrastructure projects.
Creating investment zones with tax breaks.

Then tell the class which ones are still going ahead under a completely "new" government.

IIRC the aim was to have growth running around 2.5% .............. where are we now? 0.9% and waiting for it to get far worse this week.

Reeves and Starmer were both trumpeting "growing the economy" as the panacea for us all.

Maybe it wasn`t that mad? 🤷‍♂️
 
Tell the class which of these were "bad"?

Scrapping the 45% rate.
Reducing basic rate by 1%
Cancelling the NI rise that was due.
Scrap the corporation tax increase.
Raising the Stamp Duty threshold to £250k. (£425k for first time buyers).
Freeze energy bills at £2500.
Prioritising key infrastructure projects.
Creating investment zones with tax breaks.

Then tell the class which ones are still going ahead under a completely "new" government.

IIRC the aim was to have growth running around 2.5% .............. where are we now? 0.9% and waiting for it to get far worse this week.

Reeves and Starmer were both trumpeting "growing the economy" as the panacea for us all.

Maybe it wasn`t that mad? 🤷‍♂️
Tell the class how much less was going to be spent on crumbling schools, the depleted arms forces, essential road repairs, failing public transport, reducing NHS waiting lists, adult social care (that amazingly Johnson claimed he had fixed in his Downing Street resignation speech), .....
 
Tell the class how much less was going to be spent on crumbling schools, the depleted arms forces, essential road repairs, failing public transport, reducing NHS waiting lists, adult social care (that amazingly Johnson claimed he had fixed in his Downing Street resignation speech), .....

Tell the class how the current government are going to pay for the wish list while the economy shrinks faster than an ice cube in sauna? :)
 
Tell the class how much less was going to be spent on crumbling schools, the depleted arms forces, essential road repairs, failing public transport, reducing NHS waiting lists, adult social care (that amazingly Johnson claimed he had fixed in his Downing Street resignation speech), .....

Crumbling schools? If you mean RAAC concrete that was an unknown issue until it started failing.
Depleted armed forces? As per Ukraine war is very different now and far more technical.
Essential road repairs? You know it`ll be a sub-contracted company sending a bunch of blokes out to throw a shovel of tarmac in a hole.
Public Transport............ has been failing for decades, still the train drivers got a nice kick back.
NHS waiting lists......... The overall backlog has dropped from 7.48 million to 7.46 million.......... hardly "tearing up trees".
Social care? What do we have a commission by Baroness Casey, phase 1 2026, phase 2 2028............ the starting point should be getting folk out of hospital to facilitate the flow but there we are! 🤷‍♂️

Roll on Rachels bad news bomb eh? 😂
 
Crumbling schools? If you mean RAAC concrete that was an unknown issue until it started failing.
Depleted armed forces? As per Ukraine war is very different now and far more technical.
Essential road repairs? You know it`ll be a sub-contracted company sending a bunch of blokes out to throw a shovel of tarmac in a hole.
Public Transport............ has been failing for decades, still the train drivers got a nice kick back.
NHS waiting lists......... The overall backlog has dropped from 7.48 million to 7.46 million.......... hardly "tearing up trees".
Social care? What do we have a commission by Baroness Casey, phase 1 2026, phase 2 2028............ the starting point should be getting folk out of hospital to facilitate the flow but there we are! 🤷‍♂️

Roll on Rachels bad news bomb eh? 😂
Or you could have simply had a go at answering my question (what services would Truss cut to fund her tax give away for the rich?) but no.
 
Wednesday will be quite fun I think.


Wasn’t her idea to super boost economic growth to create tax to fund services?
As a nation we are skint.

We are currently borrowing £2685.6 billion that’s equivalent to 98.1% of GDP..
8.7% of the taxes you pay are used to pay the interest ( not pay down the debt) on the loans that the government has.

If you borrow money do you not think that there is influence on our country from those that we are borrowing from?
They get to decide the terms that you borrow at.

At some point the government has to make 1 of the following choices to start to balance the books.

Cut back on spending
Raise income

For me borrowing more is just crazy.
 
Cut back on spending
Raise income

For me borrowing more is just crazy.

I’ve always been a strong believer in spending wisely and borrowing sensibly , but alas our governments seem inept .

Still way too much financial waste in our system and money being spent on luxury projects (HS2).

We are in a spiral of stagnant economic growth, leading to a real drop in tax take at a time when we need money to invest in our failing services and the cost of debt is high.

Terrible set of cards to deal with.
 
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