National News Sir Keir Starmer

Village-Yellow said:
I see John Prescott died yesterday.

I rather enjoyed watching his way of doing politics.
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He certainly had a unique method of dealing with farmers. Not sure that would have been appropriate with the current situation.

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Sheik djibouti said:
He was in the local paper the other week (when isn't he?) bellyaching about the fact that he's losing 400 beer glasses a week from his new Pub because everyone wants one as a souvenir . . . I'm sure he'll find a way to recoup that cost . . .
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I’m sure he recovers that in the higher than normal charges he levies on food and drink
 
SteMerritt said:
I remember you mentioning this before, a great story, and boy you were lucky he didn't lump one on you 🤣 🥊
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I think he’d had a skinful as well and was okay with it. I slurred “forget this politics bullshit you are a good man” as his security peeled me off him. Honestly a highlight of my life. He was deputy PM at the time.
 
It's also irrelevant. All experts were predicting a GE around now, but Sunak went early because he knew things were going to get a lot worse. We were always going to see a difficult first 6/12 months.

That doesn't mean that Starmer has been faultless. The Winter Fuel issue has been a major fook up, with the cut off point being set far too low. And there have been far too few easy wins which could and should have offset some of the negativity.

But even coming from a family with farming backgrounds, I don't think that the Inheritance Tax is that much of an issue that is widely felt across the country. The numbers affected appear to be much smaller than is being presented and will have a bigger impact against the very rich rather than the average family farm. It's certainly not the massive vote winner that the Tories and others think by latching on to it, and as one commentator said, Badenoch has already committed to overturning the WFP and the Farm Tax which are too very expensive policies to nail down with 4.5 years to go.

There's so long to go that these early months in Government will be quickly forgotten if people start to feel better off as a consequence or see real changes to our public services and beyond.

If anyone is relying on the next election being fought on a popularity contest of the leaders then I'm not sure anyone wins.
 
Will be interesting to see at what number this petition stops, even Liz Truss didn’t get a petition for an election and she was an absolute basket case.

petition.parliament.uk

Petition: Call a General Election

I would like there to be another General Election. I believe the current Labour Government have gone back on the promises they laid out in the lead up to the last election.
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Carpy said:
Will be interesting to see at what number this petition stops, even Liz Truss didn’t get a petition for an election and she was an absolute basket case.

petition.parliament.uk

Petition: Call a General Election

I would like there to be another General Election. I believe the current Labour Government have gone back on the promises they laid out in the lead up to the last election.
petition.parliament.uk petition.parliament.uk
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This will be about as futile as the petition to ask for another Brexit vote🤣

That was never going to happen, just as a general election won't be happening any time soon. Seems like more than a few need to dry their eyes and get used to it🤷‍♂️

I'm sure the next 4.5 years will fly by😉
 
Carpy said:
...even Liz Truss didn’t get a petition for an election...
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She wasn't there long enough for anyone to organise a petition.

I do find it interesting that those who were effectively saying that people have to suck up Trump bring President because he was democratically elected, or that Brexit was the will of the people, are now asking to another GE because they didn't win. (Not specifically aimed at this poster or the forum, but socials as a whole)
 
Scotchegg said:
It's also irrelevant. All experts were predicting a GE around now, but Sunak went early because he knew things were going to get a lot worse. We were always going to see a difficult first 6/12 months.

That doesn't mean that Starmer has been faultless. The Winter Fuel issue has been a major fook up, with the cut off point being set far too low. And there have been far too few easy wins which could and should have offset some of the negativity.

But even coming from a family with farming backgrounds, I don't think that the Inheritance Tax is that much of an issue that is widely felt across the country. The numbers affected appear to be much smaller than is being presented and will have a bigger impact against the very rich rather than the average family farm. It's certainly not the massive vote winner that the Tories and others think by latching on to it, and as one commentator said, Badenoch has already committed to overturning the WFP and the Farm Tax which are too very expensive policies to nail down with 4.5 years to go.

There's so long to go that these early months in Government will be quickly forgotten if people start to feel better off as a consequence or see real changes to our public services and beyond.

If anyone is relying on the next election being fought on a popularity contest of the leaders then I'm not sure anyone wins.
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This is the gamble.

If the huge tax raid on businesses actually turns out to have an adverse affect in terms of pay levels, employment opportunities/redundancies/cost cutting/business growth etc, but at the same time contributes to inflationary pressures, it is going to prove to be a very testing situation with pressure increasing from those currently prepared to give this the fair and reasonable time frame to let policies filter through.

If the economy doesn't grow, the money will simply not be generated for public services to improve (unless they want to break the debt model again), so it will be interesting to see what the mood is in 3-4 years time.
 
Carpy said:
Will be interesting to see at what number this petition stops, even Liz Truss didn’t get a petition for an election and she was an absolute basket case.

petition.parliament.uk

Petition: Call a General Election

I would like there to be another General Election. I believe the current Labour Government have gone back on the promises they laid out in the lead up to the last election.
petition.parliament.uk petition.parliament.uk
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Lol... that is just nuts.

Do you think they want Des gone too? :ROFLMAO:
 
Scotchegg said:
She wasn't there long enough for anyone to organise a petition.

I do find it interesting that those who were effectively saying that people have to suck up Trump bring President because he was democratically elected, or that Brexit was the will of the people, are now asking to another GE because they didn't win. (Not specifically aimed at this poster or the forum, but socials as a whole)
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She got a cabbage instead
 
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