Safe standing

Gary Baldi

Well-known member
#42
I see the Hillsbrough Family Support Group want to even stop the debate about Safe Standing from happening. Very sad they cannot accept that a lot of football fans want to have the debate now and want to see change.
 

Marked Ox

Well-known member
#43
I see the Hillsbrough Family Support Group want to even stop the debate about Safe Standing from happening. Very sad they cannot accept that a lot of football fans want to have the debate now and want to see change.
Agreed. While the grief over Hillsborough must be awful still for them, the terracing being proposed isn't the same, even though it was cleared as a cause in the Review they pushed for.

Safer Standing is far, far safer and has plenty of evidence to back this up so they really need to do their research and look past their pre-conceived ideas.

Interestingly Spirit of Shankly are in favour from what I've read after visiting Celtic and seeing it in action.
 

Gary Baldi

Well-known member
#44
Agreed. While the grief over Hillsborough must be awful still for them, the terracing being proposed isn't the same, even though it was cleared as a cause in the Review they pushed for.

Safer Standing is far, far safer and has plenty of evidence to back this up so they really need to do their research and look past their pre-conceived ideas.

Interestingly Spirit of Shankly are in favour from what I've read after visiting Celtic and seeing it in action.
It's even the fact they believe they are the sole arbiters of the decision. They are part of a wider stakeholder group who will review and make a decision, but they have no right to be the moral compass or have a prominent say. Everyone should be mindful of their views.

Football has to move on.
 

Foley

Active member
#50
I see the Hillsbrough Family Support Group want to even stop the debate about Safe Standing from happening. Very sad they cannot accept that a lot of football fans want to have the debate now and want to see change.
Of course what happened was terrible, but I am not sure really why they should be listened to more than experts in the field who with regard to whether safe standing is safer than supporters standing in an all seater stadium.
 

Gary Baldi

Well-known member
#51
Of course what happened was terrible, but I am not sure really why they should be listened to more than experts in the field who with regard to whether safe standing is safer than supporters standing in an all seater stadium.
I agree. Football has moved on so much in the last 25+ years, that we cannot afford to be weighed down any longer by the Heysel, Bradford or Hillsborough disasters. We can be mindful, but they do not own a casting vote on anything. There is nothing better than standing at football, if ones wishes to.
 
#53
It’s unfortunate but the Hillsborough group are probably more likely to be a cause of future accidents with the zero tolerance view they have taken, it can’t be safe to have thousands standing and celebrating etc with a piece of plastic at their feet, only a matter of time before some one is seriously hurt. They certainly have no right to stop a fair debate on the subject.
 
#55
Full text of the change!
The Government thanks all the football supporters who made their views known about this issue through correspondence or through the recent online petition. Many of those were concerned that the proposal from West Bromwich Albion FC made earlier this year to install a standing section was rejected. The law governing all licensed stadia would need to be changed for that proposal to go ahead.
The Government’s current policy is that all-seater stadia are the best means to ensure the safety and security of fans at designated football matches in England and Wales. However the time is now right for us to reexamine that policy in light of the technological changes in stadium and seating design as well as the representations from both clubs and supporters on this issue.
We continue to work closely with the Sports Grounds Safety Authority to consider advances in technology and data on the issue.
The safety of spectators at sports grounds has always been of paramount importance for the Government. The all-seater policy was introduced in the top two divisions in the early 1990s, following a recommendation in Lord Justice Taylor’s Final Report into the Hillsborough Stadium Disaster.
All-seater stadiums have been a success. Benefits include:
● improved crowd management and crowd behaviour;
● modern, comfortable, and inviting facilities for spectators;
● increased inclusivity and diversity amongst those attending matches
- Premier League research has shown that the percentage of crowds attending Premier League matches from a Black and Minority Ethnic background continues to increase season-on-season, and is now at a record 16% (2014/2015 season); more women and children attending games helps to nurture the next generation of supporters - Premier League research has shown that a record 26% of match attendees are female, and that children's season ticket sales now make up 12% of all Premier League season ticket sales (2014/2015 season);
● enhanced security and policing to keep spectators safe;
● there have been fewer reported incidents and injuries to spectators, and
● Increased spectator attendances - by 60% - contributing to the future health of the game.
Given the success of all seater stadiums, the safety reasons for introducing the policy, and the enhancements that seated spectators have enjoyed, the Government would need strong evidence and rationale to change that policy.
The Government is aware of the calls from a wide range of interest groups including some football clubs and supporters’ groups to introduce standing areas for spectators at football matches in the top two divisions of English football.
We will continue to listen to supporters’ groups and other stakeholders who would like to see the reintroduction of standing at football in the top two tiers. The introduction of rail seating at Celtic Park and more recently at Shrewsbury Town FC informs the debate about the future of spectator accommodation at football matches. It is important that we have this debate and that it is informed by the evidence.
The Government is not complacent about spectator safety, nor are we complacent about the safety policies that have served spectators well for many years. But we acknowledge that policies must remain relevant and effective. Technology and stadium design have evolved since the all-seater policy was introduced. It is important that all the evidence and viewpoints are considered extremely carefully.
The Sports Minister looks forward to discussing at length the nuances and complexities of sports ground safety in Parliament later this month.
Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport
 
#58
I am reading between the times. Ref the change in the football demographic since all seats stadium, bringing back safe standing the demographic will revert to type. I guarantee Sky sports/BT have been lobbying the govt hard NOT to bring in safe standing, as their global brand could be ruined.

I hope I am wrong, but I dont think I am.
 

makv

Active member
#59
I am reading between the times. Ref the change in the football demographic since all seats stadium, bringing back safe standing the demographic will revert to type. I guarantee Sky sports/BT have been lobbying the govt hard NOT to bring in safe standing, as their global brand could be ruined.

I hope I am wrong, but I dont think I am.
And the racist bit?
 
#60
And the racist bit?
Well, that was me being a bit sensitive. The note states that higher % of minorities are now watching football compared to pre-1989...The document suggests, to me, safe standing = a return to the bad old days and maybe it will. The atmosphere at German games, can be very 1980's and the bloody Germans are an organised and rules following nation, but maybe they let themselves go at the footy. Heaven forbid the plebs have a fun day out!
 
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