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International News Russian War With Ukraine

Eric Blair said:
Also in terms of security. The future of the world is going to be led by five competing blocs - the US, China, Russia, India and Europe. Standing alone we are limited in what we can influence (and thereby protect our interests). By being part of Europe (and actually leading Europe) we would be in a much better place to influence the world and our interests within it.

The argument about sovereignty and the EU never worked for me. There was no reason pre-Cameron that the UK could have led Europe by galvanising the Eastern European countries like Poland. France and Germany is seen as the power axis of the EU but actually the UK - with concerted political will - could have led Europe with a coalition of other countries but Cameron threw that opportunity away when he sided with the crazy extreme right bloc in the EU to appease the right of his party at home. The damage that man did to this country and international standing in incalculable
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You have started with something you have just made up, a future you can’t know, and just gone from there. We can all do that but it doesn’t make you right.
 
We are still a world power, and have far greater influence than countries of similar size or wealth have.

But you still need to have a seat at the table in order to make that influence count.

Starmer has been criticised for some of his travels since becoming PM, but I personally think that developing closer links with Europe (whilst not reversing the Brexit vote) and China has been two positives so far. Despite some of the comments from both sides, I also think that he will establish a decent relationship with Trump - and I think both countries will be better for it.

We will all be better by building stronger global partnerships than we ever could by trying to go it alone (and that might mean that we have to give a little in order to gain far more).
 
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Scotchegg said:
We are still a world power, and have far greater influence than countries of similar size or wealth have.

But you still need to have a seat at the table in order to make that influence count.

Starmer has been criticised for some of his travels since becoming PM, but I personally think that developing closer links with Europe (whilst not reversing the Brexit vote) and China has been two positives so far. Despite some of the comments from both sides, I also think that he will establish a decent relationship with Trump - and I think both countries will be better for it.

We will all be better by building stronger global partnerships than we ever could be trying to go it alone (and that might mean that we have to give a little in order to gain far more).
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Can't argue with that.
 
bashamwonderland said:
You've listed Russia as a future global trading superpower, but not the Middle East or Brazil/South America?? Are we all toast? 🤔
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Not such much trading but more in terms of global influencer. Nuclear weapons, a giant land mass and population, top ten global economy and huge natural resources will do the trick
 
We are not a world power- sorry.

World powers

USA

China

European Union

Japan

India

Brazil

Possibly - because of resources or other geopolitical necessities

Saudi Arabia

Iran

Israel
 
chromeyellow said:
We are not a world power- sorry.

World powers

USA

China

European Union

Japan

India

Brazil

Possibly - because of resources or other geopolitical necessities

Saudi Arabia

Iran

Israel
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Come on - I'm as pro-Europe as anyone, and even I can see that this is nonsense.

Britain has a bigger economy than Brazil by most metrics (or is comparable by others), is a permanent member of the UN security council and a nuclear power (neither of which Brazil is).

I 100% buy the argument that Britain should be part of Europe to help give the progressive European voice greater resonance when it comes to the table against the US and China......in fact I've made that argument many times myself.

But to say that Britain has less power on the global stage right now than Brazil is mad (in the future, who knows......)
 
Wandering Yellow said:
Don't act like you're above name calling.

You do it in your own arrogant, snide and elitist way on here and you always have done.
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Is he elitist? I think he works for a reggae record company. You seem perfectly articulate and to have plenty of leisure time, I don’t think you’re some untutored street urchin.
 
chromeyellow said:
We are not a world power- sorry.

World powers

USA

China

European Union

Japan

India

Brazil

Possibly - because of resources or other geopolitical necessities

Saudi Arabia

Iran

Israel
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I too can pull a list of G20 countries out of my a**e...

Iran a "world power" with more sway that the UK? What is this absolute hogwash you've come up with.
 
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holdsteady said:
There are only two world powers currently, the US and China, all the others are regional powers at best.
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You have to add the EU to that list, even without Britain’s participation. It’s a wealthy market of 500m million citizens, and is/would be, considered an equal partner in any trade deal with either China or the USA.
 
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Oslernorth said:
You have to add the EU to that list, even without Britain’s participation. It’s a wealthy market of 500m million citizens, and is/would be, considered an equal partner in any trade deal with either China or the USA.
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It’s not just trade though is it? It’s not got any military power to back it up and it’s not got the power of a single entity like the other two.
 
The Voice Of Reason said:
Agreed tho it's really China

For the last 50 years they have been very clever, in the background.

So.much so they own huge amounts of USA debt
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That’s not true is it? The idea that the most powerful military nation on earth is not a world power is a bit mental. It’s still the most powerful nation on earth, has huge reach financially, militarily and culturally.
 
Oslernorth said:
You have to add the EU to that list, even without Britain’s participation. It’s a wealthy market of 500m million citizens, and is/would be, considered an equal partner in any trade deal with either China or the USA.
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Not sure about that at all.
Sure it is an economic power ( far less influential than the US and China). But Europe can't defend Ukraine against Russia without huge help from the US.
European defence is fragmented ( many of the Countries don't contribute their share- one of the things that Trump is right about).
 


If this is true/accurate, I doubt Ukraine will be agreeing to anything and war will continue. If Trump pushes this then he really would be Putin's useful idiot and Moldova will be next.
 
Marked Ox said:


If this is true/accurate, I doubt Ukraine will be agreeing to anything and war will continue. If Trump pushes this then he really would be Putin's useful idiot and Moldova will be next.
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In another 10 years, when Moldova (or Georgia again) really is next, Russia will have replenished their manpower and the good Ukrainian work done to date will be for nothing.

That's why we should be getting some boots on the ground and pushing them back, with France and Poland.
 
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