General Robinson Player Development

Foley

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And didn't look great in fairness. That's not a dig at him, we didn't play great as a team in either game and he was only just getting up to speed. But he didn't make a claim for a central position with either performance.
He was poor in the game I saw.
 

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Enough of the nonsense and lets breakdown the facts.
  • Mackie has played 1401 league minutes this season and has scored 2 goals - minutes to goal ratio is 1 goal every 703 minutes
  • Matty Taylor has played 1254 league minutes and has scored 7 goals - minutes to goal ratio is 1 goal every 179 minutes
  • Dan Agyei has played 91 league minutes and has scored 2 goals - minutes to goal ratio is 1 goal every 46 minutes
Firstly just based on these statistics it is clear that Jamie Mackie is the worst striker on our books and should not be starting any games for us. Strikers to start up front should be either Matty Taylor or Dan Agyei end of. The stats don't lie. Dan Agyei is 22 years old and is actually older than Mark Sykes, Marcus Browne and Shandon Baptiste. Therefore Karl Robinsons argument about Dan Agyei being a young player is null and void as there are younger players in the squad who have had consistent game time. Also bear in mind that Agyei has played 3 premier league matches for Burnley and 43 League 1 matches at Coventry, Walsall and Blackpool prior to joining our club, so he's already got league 1 experience. The fundamental issue is that Karl Robinson has an allegiance to Jamie Mackie and will play him regardless of how poor his goal record is and lack of being a goal threat. I'm sorry but if either Matty Taylor of Dan Agyei had a record as poor as Jamie Mackie's then Karl Robinson wouldn't accept it, so why does he accept such a poor record from Jamie Mackie? It is now clear that Karl Robinson doesn't judge or view our strikers on equal precedent and due to his stubbornness refuses to choose the team based on ability, stats or form but does whatever he wants to do because he can as he is the manager despite everyone clearly seeing that a change in tactics needs to be applied. We're so predictable in our playing style teams don't even need to do research on how we play. Sorry to say it but if we don't get promoted then Karl Robinson is accountable and should get the sack. Not good enough.
 

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Enough of the nonsense and lets breakdown the facts.
  • Mackie has played 1401 league minutes this season and has scored 2 goals - minutes to goal ratio is 1 goal every 703 minutes
  • Matty Taylor has played 1254 league minutes and has scored 7 goals - minutes to goal ratio is 1 goal every 179 minutes
  • Dan Agyei has played 91 league minutes and has scored 2 goals - minutes to goal ratio is 1 goal every 46 minutes
Firstly just based on these statistics it is clear that Jamie Mackie is the worst striker on our books and should not be starting any games for us. Strikers to start up front should be either Matty Taylor or Dan Agyei end of. The stats don't lie. Dan Agyei is 22 years old and is actually older than Mark Sykes, Marcus Browne and Shandon Baptiste. Therefore Karl Robinsons argument about Dan Agyei being a young player is null and void as there are younger players in the squad who have had consistent game time. Also bear in mind that Agyei has played 3 premier league matches for Burnley and 43 League 1 matches at Coventry, Walsall and Blackpool prior to joining our club, so he's already got league 1 experience. The fundamental issue is that Karl Robinson has an allegiance to Jamie Mackie and will play him regardless of how poor his goal record is and lack of being a goal threat. I'm sorry but if either Matty Taylor of Dan Agyei had a record as poor as Jamie Mackie's then Karl Robinson wouldn't accept it, so why does he accept such a poor record from Jamie Mackie? It is now clear that Karl Robinson doesn't judge or view our strikers on equal precedent and due to his stubbornness refuses to choose the team based on ability, stats or form but does whatever he wants to do because he can as he is the manager despite everyone clearly seeing that a change in tactics needs to be applied. We're so predictable in our playing style teams don't even need to do research on how we play. Sorry to say it but if we don't get promoted then Karl Robinson is accountable and should get the sack. Not good enough.
You really don't need to post the same thing on every thread.

Edit: Although it really demonstrates how many threads are duplicating the very same conversation.
 
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Enough of the nonsense and lets breakdown the facts.
  • Mackie has played 1401 league minutes this season and has scored 2 goals - minutes to goal ratio is 1 goal every 703 minutes
  • Matty Taylor has played 1254 league minutes and has scored 7 goals - minutes to goal ratio is 1 goal every 179 minutes
  • Dan Agyei has played 91 league minutes and has scored 2 goals - minutes to goal ratio is 1 goal every 46 minutes
Firstly just based on these statistics it is clear that Jamie Mackie is the worst striker on our books and should not be starting any games for us. Strikers to start up front should be either Matty Taylor or Dan Agyei end of. The stats don't lie. Dan Agyei is 22 years old and is actually older than Mark Sykes, Marcus Browne and Shandon Baptiste. Therefore Karl Robinsons argument about Dan Agyei being a young player is null and void as there are younger players in the squad who have had consistent game time. Also bear in mind that Agyei has played 3 premier league matches for Burnley and 43 League 1 matches at Coventry, Walsall and Blackpool prior to joining our club, so he's already got league 1 experience. The fundamental issue is that Karl Robinson has an allegiance to Jamie Mackie and will play him regardless of how poor his goal record is and lack of being a goal threat. I'm sorry but if either Matty Taylor of Dan Agyei had a record as poor as Jamie Mackie's then Karl Robinson wouldn't accept it, so why does he accept such a poor record from Jamie Mackie? It is now clear that Karl Robinson doesn't judge or view our strikers on equal precedent and due to his stubbornness refuses to choose the team based on ability, stats or form but does whatever he wants to do because he can as he is the manager despite everyone clearly seeing that a change in tactics needs to be applied. We're so predictable in our playing style teams don't even need to do research on how we play. Sorry to say it but if we don't get promoted then Karl Robinson is accountable and should get the sack. Not good enough.

Stroooonnng sense of deja vu.
 

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Truth hurts
He breaks, me down, he builds, me up
He fills, my cup, I like, it rough
We fuss, we brawl, we rise, we fall
He comes, in late, but it's, OK
He do, I do, he knows, the rules
He takes care of home, though he's not alone
I'm on, his knee, he keeps, me clean
And gives, me things, he makes, me scream
 

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Enough of the nonsense and lets breakdown the facts.
  • Mackie has played 1401 league minutes this season and has scored 2 goals - minutes to goal ratio is 1 goal every 703 minutes
  • Matty Taylor has played 1254 league minutes and has scored 7 goals - minutes to goal ratio is 1 goal every 179 minutes
  • Dan Agyei has played 91 league minutes and has scored 2 goals - minutes to goal ratio is 1 goal every 46 minutes
Firstly just based on these statistics it is clear that Jamie Mackie is the worst striker on our books and should not be starting any games for us. Strikers to start up front should be either Matty Taylor or Dan Agyei end of. The stats don't lie. Dan Agyei is 22 years old and is actually older than Mark Sykes, Marcus Browne and Shandon Baptiste. Therefore Karl Robinsons argument about Dan Agyei being a young player is null and void as there are younger players in the squad who have had consistent game time. Also bear in mind that Agyei has played 3 premier league matches for Burnley and 43 League 1 matches at Coventry, Walsall and Blackpool prior to joining our club, so he's already got league 1 experience. The fundamental issue is that Karl Robinson has an allegiance to Jamie Mackie and will play him regardless of how poor his goal record is and lack of being a goal threat. I'm sorry but if either Matty Taylor of Dan Agyei had a record as poor as Jamie Mackie's then Karl Robinson wouldn't accept it, so why does he accept such a poor record from Jamie Mackie? It is now clear that Karl Robinson doesn't judge or view our strikers on equal precedent and due to his stubbornness refuses to choose the team based on ability, stats or form but does whatever he wants to do because he can as he is the manager despite everyone clearly seeing that a change in tactics needs to be applied. We're so predictable in our playing style teams don't even need to do research on how we play. Sorry to say it but if we don't get promoted then Karl Robinson is accountable and should get the sack. Not good enough.
I take it from this you’re excellent at football manager!
And I hope you wrote that in your lunch break and not in lessons 😉
 

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Nothing like Atkins.
He generally didnt like playing young players. He also had Sam Ricketts and didnt rate him (look what happened to him)
To be fair to Atkins - although he was terrible at giving young players a shot (Simon King was another, and Dexter Blackstock left because he never gave him a run), nobody rated Sam Ricketts when he was with us! He started 35 games for the club; of those, we only won 7. And on 7 occasions, he was voted Rageonline's "Weakest Link"!

There's players who clearly look the part, and don't get a chance because the manager is stubborn, and then it's really annoying when they go on to have great careers.
Sam Ricketts got his chance, looked crap, went to Telford - and then surprised everyone by becoming a PL player and international. Sometimes you just have to hold your hands up and say "Fair play, I didn't see that coming!"
 

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To be fair to Atkins - although he was terrible at giving young players a shot (Simon King was another, and Dexter Blackstock left because he never gave him a run), nobody rated Sam Ricketts when he was with us! He started 35 games for the club; of those, we only won 7. And on 7 occasions, he was voted Rageonline's "Weakest Link"!

There's players who clearly look the part, and don't get a chance because the manager is stubborn, and then it's really annoying when they go on to have great careers.
Sam Ricketts got his chance, looked crap, went to Telford - and then surprised everyone by becoming a PL player and international. Sometimes you just have to hold your hands up and say "Fair play, I didn't see that coming!"
Nobody? Maybe he was the weakest link but he was very young and if I recall wasn’t used in the same position every game? Maybe all the other players were actually very good and he was just good? We did only lose one game at home in the league, Huddersfield & bloody Sodje if I remember correctly.
 

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To be fair to Atkins - although he was terrible at giving young players a shot (Simon King was another, and Dexter Blackstock left because he never gave him a run), nobody rated Sam Ricketts when he was with us! He started 35 games for the club; of those, we only won 7. And on 7 occasions, he was voted Rageonline's "Weakest Link"!

There's players who clearly look the part, and don't get a chance because the manager is stubborn, and then it's really annoying when they go on to have great careers.
Sam Ricketts got his chance, looked crap, went to Telford - and then surprised everyone by becoming a PL player and international. Sometimes you just have to hold your hands up and say "Fair play, I didn't see that coming!"
Ricketts was played as wing back and had the ball a lot - maybe it wasnt his game.
 

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Sure I remember him at RB,CB, & DM also during his time with us but maybe not all under Atkins as we were at the Manor when he first played I think with another blast from the past, Rob Folland.
Although we were playing wingbacks at the time, I liked the idea of a Ricketts-Hackett partnership down the right.
 

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Sam Ricketts got his chance, looked crap, went to Telford - and then surprised everyone by becoming a PL player and international.
I remember what I think was Rickett's debut at The Manor.
It was the last game of the season- a nothing game.
But as right wing back Ricketts was excellent.
I didnt realise that he had played 45 games for us.
My guess that under KR, he would have progressed a lot quicker and we would have seen his undoubted talent.
 

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I remember what I think was Rickett's debut at The Manor.
It was the last game of the season- a nothing game.
But as right wing back Ricketts was excellent.
I didnt realise that he had played 45 games for us.
My guess that under KR, he would have progressed a lot quicker and we would have seen his undoubted talent.
Ricketts would have been a prime example of the new OUFC "model" in action. Nurtured and then sold for a bomb.
Did we actually get full value or indeed any value from any player in the Atkins, Wright, Rix, Talbot years? Craig Davies went for good money if I recall but any others?
 

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Ricketts would have been a prime example of the new OUFC "model" in action. Nurtured and then sold for a bomb.
Did we actually get full value or indeed any value from any player in the Atkins, Wright, Rix, Talbot years? Craig Davies went for good money if I recall but any others?
Distinctly remember the Dexter Blackstock sale in 2003 which I think rather set the precedent for the years to come - other clubs knew that Firoz would happily cash in quick; Blackstock hadn't even had the chance to play a game for the first team before Southampton snapped him up. Was just a year after Jamie Brooks' ill-fated trial at Arsenal IIRC
 

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