Manager/Coach KREXIT: The 'Robbo Out' thread.

[RyanioBirdio]

In reference to comments and discussions regarding the financial viability of any club sacking any manager, let alone KR / OUFC:

It’s virtually unheard of for a compensation clause to be any more than 12 months’ salary, regardless of duration. Usually that is even tempered by the club saying that the compensation stops in the event that the manager takes another job within those 12 months. Hence why further up the chain where you’re talking millions, a lot of managers wait many months if not an entire year before taking another job. At this level and below it’s a little different because the money isn’t anywhere near as big, and therefore having a job is preferable to sitting on a severance agreement that is constantly counting down. It’s incredibly rare that a lump sum is handed over which allows a manager to walk into a job the next day. They’re basically just kept on the payroll and paid their salary as normal for 12 months, or until they take another job, whichever comes first.

Any manager at any level with a contract that differs to the above has got an agent who is very adept at removing underpants.

 

[Shropshire U]

I’m sure KR is persuading Tiger to keep him on until he sorts out the problems in the January window.
Should be another couple of left wingers available by then, and a midfielder who hasn’t played since 2019 and needs eight weeks to get match fit.

You forgot the injury-prone has-been who gets fit after several weeks only to break down 5 minutes after coming on as a sub. There'll be a few of them to choose from.

 

[PottersRightBoot]

Robinson has got enough credit in the bank for his job not to be under threat. At the moment.

I would be less happy if I were Craig Short though.

 

[greatunclekip]

Robinson has got enough credit in the bank for his job not to be under threat. At the moment.

I would be less happy if I were Craig Short though.

Credit where from? A failed playoff campaign? I would say hes neutral at the moment. In real danger of tipping into negative.

 

[Foley]

I agree we need to swap out a few players in January, but not sure I agree with your list.

Although he had a bad 20 minutes yesterday, there have been two quite recent games where Agyei has been amongst our best players. Once when playing centre forward and the other when playing wide left. His worst position is the one where Robinson plays him most often, like yesterday.

I think we also need a bit of short termism to avoid relegation, so would keep Henry this season and hope his form returns.

Eastwood I agree needs to move on, and also in sending Shodipo back who has been appaling in his last few appearances.

I'd also try to get shot of Hall and Hanson, one of whom seems past it, and the other has never been decent and is a

I hope hes not referencing Kinniburgh - the man talks more sense than Robinson. His tactical analysis is fantastic and I think it's a shame he hasnt yet gone further in his management career.

It is pretty easy talking from a commentary box. I agree that he seems to make sense but look at Gary Neville when he tried management in Spain...
It actually isn't that easy (I know a lot on here reckon that they could do a great job as a manager)!

 

[Carpy]

very adept at removing underpants.

How are you getting on with that?

 

[Carpy]

There’s a reason KR shows passion and integrates himself into every aspect of the club, sure a bit of him may care, but for the most part I firmly believe he’s intelligent enough to realise that if he increases his “stickiness” within a club and shows some of this passion, it will buy him some time with management and the fan base alike, I for one don’t buy it, he’s judged on what is delivered on the pitch and in the last 9 months that’s not been a great deal

 

[greatunclekip]

It is pretty easy talking from a commentary box. I agree that he seems to make sense but look at Gary Neville when he tried management in Spain...
It actually isn't that easy (I know a lot on here reckon that they could do a great job as a manager)!

Kinniburgh actually had some success as manager of Corby.....

 

[unification]

This thread has run 12 pages now. I'm just wondering whether it would have existed at all had we instead drawn with Wigan, lost to Portsmouth and beaten Swindon in the last week - the same number of points would have been acquired and one each of a win, loss and draw, just in a different order to what we ended up with.

I would have thought not. I feel there is a still a lot of emotion knocking around when a bit of reason is needed.

 

[Daviddidcotexile]

The sad thing is nobody wants him to fail. Just stop making excuses and get the defence sound and all will be well with the world

 

[battman]

There’s a reason KR shows passion and integrates himself into every aspect of the club, sure a bit of him may care, but for the most part I firmly believe he’s intelligent enough to realise that if he increases his “stickiness” within a club and shows some of this passion, it will buy him some time with management and the fan base alike, I for one don’t buy it, he’s judged on what is delivered on the pitch and in the last 9 months that’s not been a great deal

This. I think a lot of fans have been won over by his bluster, and are willing to let the success of reaching the play-off final plus their like of him as a wears-his-heart-on-his-sleeve manager cloud their judgement when it comes to looking at on-pitch results and performances.

I've been calling for Karl to go, but even I wouldn't want to see someone with so much evident passion lose his job. But at the end of the day, he doesn't get paid to have passion, he's here to win football matches, and he's not done enough of that.

 

[Oxford84]

There’s a reason KR shows passion and integrates himself into every aspect of the club, sure a bit of him may care, but for the most part I firmly believe he’s intelligent enough to realise that if he increases his “stickiness” within a club and shows some of this passion, it will buy him some time with management and the fan base alike, I for one don’t buy it, he’s judged on what is delivered on the pitch and in the last 9 months that’s not been a great deal

Yep we always finish above 3rd in league 1 season after season!

 

[Peterdev]

Shodipo is not proving the signing we expected after a bright start.
Hanson is a really expensive flop on a long term contract who we can’t readily get shot off.
We seem to specialise in signing injury prone players. There was so much hype over Sam Winnall. Now we are stuck with a misfiring Taylor and a crock. I’d like to see a striker on loan who can help.

 

[battman]

Yep we always finish above 3rd in league 1 season after season!

When you finish 3rd but lose the play-offs, and the next season you're battling at the wrong end of the table (where we've been for most of Karl's reign), then where's the progress? The success (even in a season littered with poor runs of form as per) points to an outlier rather than a trend.

 

[Pillox]

In reference to comments and discussions regarding the financial viability of any club sacking any manager, let alone KR / OUFC:

It’s virtually unheard of for a compensation clause to be any more than 12 months’ salary, regardless of duration. Usually that is even tempered by the club saying that the compensation stops in the event that the manager takes another job within those 12 months. Hence why further up the chain where you’re talking millions, a lot of managers wait many months if not an entire year before taking another job. At this level and below it’s a little different because the money isn’t anywhere near as big, and therefore having a job is preferable to sitting on a severance agreement that is constantly counting down. It’s incredibly rare that a lump sum is handed over which allows a manager to walk into a job the next day. They’re basically just kept on the payroll and paid their salary as normal for 12 months, or until they take another job, whichever comes first.

Any manager at any level with a contract that differs to the above has got an agent who is very adept at removing underpants.

Id argue that makes it a rolling 1 year contract rather than a 4 year deal but ok. Question of course is how much is a years money, in addition of course to bringing in and paying for the replacement. Robinson signed when his stock was high and was publicly flashing a leg at any broadly similar level club with a vacancy.

 

[Pillox]

It is pretty easy talking from a commentary box. I agree that he seems to make sense but look at Gary Neville when he tried management in Spain...
It actually isn't that easy (I know a lot on here reckon that they could do a great job as a manager)!

Not impressed with how he did at Corby?

 

[Carpy]

Yep we always finish above 3rd in league 1 season after season!

Simply doing well the previous season shouldn't detract from what has been a poor season so far (not just the loss Saturday) and a dismal summer transfer window, unless of course you believe our team is actually littered with talent which then begs the question, why has Robinson failed to get the best out of so many of them.

I agree that sometimes a manager needs and warrants time when there's a bad run, but they're normally only afforded that time after a sustained demonstration of their abilities, half a season last season to get us to the Playoffs does not count as sustained in my book.

 

[Pillox]

Robinson has got enough credit in the bank for his job not to be under threat. At the moment.

I would be less happy if I were Craig Short though.

I remember when it was all Fazakerley's fault because he was the "common denominator"

And Mickey Lewis actually.

Now I come to think of it who was Mark Wright's assistant who was the devil incarnate for a while on the forums?

 

[greatunclekip]

This thread has run 12 pages now. I'm just wondering whether it would have existed at all had we instead drawn with Wigan, lost to Portsmouth and beaten Swindon in the last week - the same number of points would have been acquired and one each of a win, loss and draw, just in a different order to what we ended up with.

I would have thought not. I feel there is a still a lot of emotion knocking around when a bit of reason is needed.

It was the nature of the defeat rather than the defeat per se that hurts. If wed played well, or even with effort, and valiantly lost, no real issue.

It was the culmination of lack of effort, appalling subs (highlighting a dreadful transfer policy) and tactical suicide following performances such as Crewe that has people questioning whether he isnt in fact just a very naughty boy rather than the messiah.

 

[unification]

It was the nature of the defeat rather than the defeat per se that hurts. If wed played well, or even with effort, and valiantly lost, no real issue.

It was the culmination of lack of effort, appalling subs (highlighting a dreadful transfer policy) and tactical suicide following performances such as Crewe that has people questioning whether he isnt in fact just a very naughty boy rather than the messiah.

Of course. Regardless of the opponent, to crumble like that and to make those changes whilst the game did not ask for it would have had many of us frothing and knashing. The collapse was a shambles. ‘Disgusting’ KR quite rightly called it.

My point was that if we’d ended up with the same number of points from the three games, the sudden ‘Robbo Out’ movement wouldn’t have occurred. I think that the emotion of the derby has tipped people over the edge.

FWIW, I’m fairly stoical about KR. I like bits of what he does, I’m critical of others. I’m realistic where we are as a club, the resources we have and what we have to do to 1. survive as an entity and 2. continue to progress. In an ideal world I’d still have MApp at the helm being part of the buy-and-develop model but since he’s left we have KR who buys into it too. I’m comfortable with that and we have a steady if frequently frustrating man in charge.