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To be fair at least the nepotism, corruption, lying and U-turns are coming out faster than under the last government. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Shabana Mahmood for PM?

That`ll make the left froth more than a badly made milkshake. 🤷‍♂️
 
13 ministerial resignations.
Full confidence in Morgan McSweeney, Mandelson, Sue Gray, Lord Ali.
16 policy u-turns
No operable warships.
Approving the Chinese "super embassy".
Raising income tax
Raising Inheritance tax
Raising NI.
Raising CGT.
Raising VAT
Raising a mansion tax.
Scrapping jury trials.
Only boat stopped crossing the channel - HMS Dragon.
Increasing welfare spend.

Who voted for #change ? :) 🤷‍♂️
 
Bloody hypocrite

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If anyone thinks they are having a bad day... just watch the PM statement over Mandelson's vetting :ROFLMAO:
 
Sharp Edges said:
Are those the posters that told everyone to vote Labour because it couldnt get any worse but now all claim they didnt vote Labour?
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Yes, those ones.

The last couple of years of the Conservatives was a spectacular effort at shooting themselves in both feet several times bit this lot are making them look like amateurs.

Roll on 7th May............. it`ll be a bloodbath.

I`ll be chuckling by a pool somewhere warm and sunny.
 
Essexyellows said:
Yes, those ones.

The last couple of years of the Conservatives was a spectacular effort at shooting themselves in both feet several times bit this lot are making them look like amateurs.

Roll on 7th May............. it`ll be a bloodbath.

I`ll be chuckling by a pool somewhere warm and sunny.
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There are no Labour voters left. They barely had any at the last GE, let alone now.
 
Interestingly the Conservatives are being wiped out too. No chance seemingly of a coalition of the right although you can never rule it out.
There’ll be a realignment but surely the greens won’t make headway after that last by-election.
 
To paraphrase the prime minister

I wasn’t informed of the advice because I was walking around shouting” la la la I can’t hear you”very loudly.

I get that there is a need to plicate the orange twit but if you have a conversation along the lines of “mr trump he’ll bring Epstein with him and some of that s**t will rub off on you!” he’d have fallen straight in line.
Owning it when it first came out and at that point saying we’ve looked at the vetting and it seems he got through which isn’t good and we need to tighten up the process woukd have been a rideable storm

I was full of hope for a new dawn in British politics when he was elected but he’s shown no ownership or grace in this whole fiasco.

He needs to go.
 
Marston Road Yellow said:
To paraphrase the prime minister

I wasn’t informed of the advice because I was walking around shouting” la la la I can’t hear you”very loudly.

I get that there is a need to plicate the orange twit but if you have a conversation along the lines of “mr trump he’ll bring Epstein with him and some of that s**t will rub off on you!” he’d have fallen straight in line.
Owning it when it first came out and at that point saying we’ve looked at the vetting and it seems he got through which isn’t good and we need to tighten up the process woukd have been a rideable storm

I was full of hope for a new dawn in British politics when he was elected but he’s shown no ownership or grace in this whole fiasco.

He needs to go.
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He does need to go but who the next choice will be is anyone’s guess. Wes Streeting won’t be their choice as he is clearly on the right wing of the Labour Party. Angela Rayner has unfinished business. Andy Burnham not even an MP.
 
Marston Road Yellow said:
To paraphrase the prime minister

I wasn’t informed of the advice because I was walking around shouting” la la la I can’t hear you”very loudly.

I get that there is a need to plicate the orange twit but if you have a conversation along the lines of “mr trump he’ll bring Epstein with him and some of that s**t will rub off on you!” he’d have fallen straight in line.
Owning it when it first came out and at that point saying we’ve looked at the vetting and it seems he got through which isn’t good and we need to tighten up the process woukd have been a rideable storm

I was full of hope for a new dawn in British politics when he was elected but he’s shown no ownership or grace in this whole fiasco.

He needs to go.
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The guy is an utter cabbage and he has been a shambles since the day he walked through that door.

After the end of the last shambles of a government, the bar was so low that he really didn't have to try too hard to make an improvement, and yet he has failed miserably to be any kind of a leader.
 
TBF until this I think he’s been useless rather than blood sucking. This is a child stamping their feet saying I want that one, and when he got his choice he didn’t own it.

The tories were bloodsucking and self serving.

I fear that the Labour Party needs to sort itself it quickly ( in place and running it by September) or they will loose the whole nation.

Reform ( who I believe will be bloodsucking on steroids as well as being utterly incompetent and intolerant ) will be rubbing their hands waiting in the wings.
 
Its a bit odd when you find yourself agreeing with Zarah Sultana and Lee Anderson over the same thing! :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

And the select committee made for interesting viewing............ has he gone yet or is he clinging on until May when the bloodbath occurs?
 
Essexyellows said:
Its a bit odd when you find yourself agreeing with Zarah Sultana and Lee Anderson over the same thing! :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

And the select committee made for interesting viewing............ has he gone yet or is he clinging on until May when the bloodbath occurs?
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And Diane Abbott, most coherent thing I've heard her say in a long while.
 
I reckon he'll cling on until after the locals and then take the fall for that too (as I said about 4 months ago, but there we are. . .) That leaves 60% of their time in this parliamentary term left. That's a whole Johnson (beset by Covid and multiple scandals), or a May (hamstrung by Brexit), nearly 2 Rishi's or 25 Liz Trusses:ROFLMAO:

It's certainly likely to be an interesting multi-party government after the next GE as Tories are already toast, Labour going the same way, Reform going into meltdown as they are increasingly found out as a party of one policy and even less scruples (how is Tice doing with that troublesome tax bill btw?), Lib Dems continue to do Lib Dems stuff and not really trouble the scorers and Greens are just a bit too lefty and have too much of a social conscience for many to stomach. Yet again I suspect voting will be dominated by who people don't want as opposed to who they do.

Step forward Rupert Lowe and let the real clown show commence 🤡 :ROFLMAO:
 
Sheik Djibouti said:
I reckon he'll cling on until after the locals and then take the fall for that too (as I said about 4 months ago, but there we are. . .) That leaves 60% of their time in this parliamentary term left. That's a whole Johnson (beset by Covid and multiple scandals), or a May (hamstrung by Brexit), nearly 2 Rishi's or 25 Liz Trusses:ROFLMAO:

It's certainly likely to be an interesting multi-party government after the next GE as Tories are already toast, Labour going the same way, Reform going into meltdown as they are increasingly found out as a party of one policy and even less scruples (how is Tice doing with that troublesome tax bill btw?), Lib Dems continue to do Lib Dems stuff and not really trouble the scorers and Greens are just a bit too lefty and have too much of a social conscience for many to stomach. Yet again I suspect voting will be dominated by who people don't want as opposed to who they do.

Step forward Rupert Lowe and let the real clown show commence 🤡 :ROFLMAO:
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I think "Yellowsforum.plc" should set up a political party, despite our differing views we could probably fix most things.

Its that or proper PR. :)
 
No doubt we'll hear increasingly just how bad, weak and ineffective coalition governments are in the lead up to the next GE . . .

I was interested to hear though (last week on Newscast, I think) that the general consensus was that the last Lib/Tory coalition was in fact pretty effective at pushing stuff through as it all came down to Cameron/Osbourne/Clegg/Alexander making all the decisions in a very top down system that managed to avoid much of the gumming up of process in various departments that has subsequently hindered getting stuff done since.

Not that I was a massive fan of pretty much anything they did, especially the absolutely disasterously short sighted and particularly pernicious austerity measures, but it did prove (to a point) that where there was a will . . .
 
Sheik Djibouti said:
No doubt we'll hear increasingly just how bad, weak and ineffective coalition governments are in the lead up to the next GE . . .

I was interested to hear though (last week on Newscast, I think) that the general consensus was that the last Lib/Tory coalition was in fact pretty effective at pushing stuff through as it all came down to Cameron/Osbourne/Clegg/Alexander making all the decisions in a very top down system that managed to avoid much of the gumming up of process in various departments that has subsequently hindered getting stuff done since.

Not that I was a massive fan of pretty much anything they did, especially the absolutely disasterously short sighted and particularly pernicious austerity measures, but it did prove (to a point) that where there was a will . . .
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It did require an incredibly weak Nick Clegg though, who essentially not only backed down on his manifesto promises, but in certain cases, actively did the opposite of what he promised to do (uni fees a perfect example).

It could work, but only with a particularly spineless "second in command" coalition partner.
 
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Sheik Djibouti said:
No doubt we'll hear increasingly just how bad, weak and ineffective coalition governments are in the lead up to the next GE . . .

I was interested to hear though (last week on Newscast, I think) that the general consensus was that the last Lib/Tory coalition was in fact pretty effective at pushing stuff through as it all came down to Cameron/Osbourne/Clegg/Alexander making all the decisions in a very top down system that managed to avoid much of the gumming up of process in various departments that has subsequently hindered getting stuff done since.

Not that I was a massive fan of pretty much anything they did, especially the absolutely disasterously short sighted and particularly pernicious austerity measures, but it did prove (to a point) that where there was a will . . .
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I would take a different view. The coalition was dominated by the Tories,which would be inevitable whoever they were in coalition with; our staid political system, centralised government, the Establishment… Labour in Office pretty much focusses on making Toryism work; the growing gap between rich and poor, the great God of the ‘market’ and privatisation…l will continue to support the Labour Party, which is replete with talented and committed people despite the dross evidenced by the present Leadership.
 
Basham Wonderland said:
It did require an incredibly weak Nick Clegg though, who essentially not only backed down on his manifesto promises, but in certain cases, actively did the opposite of what he promised to do (uni fees a perfect example).

It could work, but only with a particularly spineless "second in command" coalition partner.
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While I agree to you to an extent, as the junior party in the coalition, there was no way that the Lib Dems could be expected to honour and implement all of their manifesto pledges (coalition politics simply doesn't work like that), and given the imbalance in MPs they had very little political leverage. Their only real weapon was the threat of collapsing the coalition, which - as a party advocating proportional representation which generally produces coalitions - would hardly be a smart tactic.

Cameron totally stiffed the Lib Dems over the AV referendum. The Lib Dems wanted a referendum on PR, but Cameron gave them the Alternative Vote instead (not proper PR) and then lied about it. Under AV, very occasionally when there are multiple candidates with similar percentage vote share, the candidate that gets elected will not be the candidate with the most first-choice votes, but a compromise candidate who gets a lot of second-choice votes (i.e. one acceptable to a lot of voters when there is no clear winner). But Cameron used the analogy of a losing boxer being awarded the belt by the judges –which is straighforwardly bullshit: in a two-horse race, AV will always elect the candidate with the higher vote; second-choice votes are irrelevant.

This really annoyed me at the time: I'd taken the time to understand how the proposed system worked, and then here was the Prime Minister of Great Britain lying, deliberately, about it to the British public. Or not understanding the thing he was criticising, which is possibly worse.

So forgive me if I don't entirely condemn the Lib Dems for changing policy when the circumstances changed. The tuition fees thing was a terrible bit of politics tactically, but it's weird how a minor thing becomes embedded, and defines the party in people's minds for what is well over a decade now. This childish affection for "strong government" and simple election mechanisms (not that the alternatives are complicated - the rules determining a football team's position in the league table are way more complicated than any electoral system and everybody manages that) is what has bequeathed us a huge Labour Party majority on a minor lead in vote share.
 
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