National Politics 🔴 The Labour Party

[HayfieldYellow]

Richard Branson, I know him personally has he been a job creator ? has he created wealth for people a day the country ?

Epstein's associate Richard Branson? Interesting choice.

You seem to be missing the point. I have no objection to people founding companies and making money. I'm just pointing out that they can't do that without the contribution of the rest of us underlings who they employ, and I'd quite like them to pay their taxes like the rest of us have to, and not squirrel it away in the Cayman Islands.

People spent centuries getting out of the yoke of serfdom, yet you seem to want us to go back. No thanks.

 

[Morris Oxford]

Seems like Farage was similarly duped but unlike Starmer doesn't have the balls to admit it.

In December 2024, Farage described Mandelson as a "very intelligent man" and an "enormously talented bloke". He expressed a willingness to act as a "bridge" between Mandelson and the Trump administration to serve the national interest.

Nigel Farage offers to help Lord Mandelson win over Trump https://share.google/ncAHQaX2Dhey49AJt

Nigel Farage offers to work with Peter Mandelson to secure US-UK trade deal

Labour party divided on whether incoming US ambassador should lean on Reform leader’s ties with Donald Trump

www.theguardian.com

I’m no fan of Farage, but some classic whataboutism there.

Like I’ve said before. Political threads on this forum from all sides of the spectrum just read as ‘we’re crap but the other side are crapper, vote for us’

 

[Peterdev]

Seems like Farage was similarly duped but unlike Starmer doesn't have the balls to admit it.

In December 2024, Farage described Mandelson as a "very intelligent man" and an "enormously talented bloke". He expressed a willingness to act as a "bridge" between Mandelson and the Trump administration to serve the national interest.

Nigel Farage offers to help Lord Mandelson win over Trump https://share.google/ncAHQaX2Dhey49AJt

Nigel Farage offers to work with Peter Mandelson to secure US-UK trade deal

Labour party divided on whether incoming US ambassador should lean on Reform leader’s ties with Donald Trump

www.theguardian.com

There were plenty of people who have considered Mandelson intelligent and talented. That is not in doubt. You’d expect the leader of any national party to want to co-operate with leaders of major countries to serve the national interest. What is Farage meant to do?
I’m sure Farage would have vetted him before appointing him and considered the baggage that Mandelson clearly had to be an obstacle.
That is different to taking Mandelson at his word as Starmer did.

 

[m]

And yet the Labour Party thought it was a good idea to have as their leader someone who was never, ever going to be voted in as PM. Ed Milliband was another.

Indeed.

 

[Sheik Djibouti]

There were plenty of people who have considered Mandelson intelligent and talented. That is not in doubt. You’d expect the leader of any national party to want to co-operate with leaders of major countries to serve the national interest. What is Farage meant to do?
I’m sure Farage would have vetted him before appointing him and considered the baggage that Mandelson clearly had to be an obstacle.
That is different to taking Mandelson at his word as Starmer did.

You mean in the same way Farage has vetted potential Reform candidates . . .

I mean, the blokes not got a great record when it comes to vetting anything much, so I certainly wouldn't trust him on Mandelson - they do after all move in the same circles.

 

[Sheik Djibouti]

Genuinely funny from the Torygraph

"Worst PM in my lifetime" either means all Telegraph readers are less than 3 years old (or have the critical thinking skills of a 3 year old), or have had a serious bout of collective amnesia since Liz Truss left office in October 2022. Not to mention Bojo . . . Cameron . . . . May . . . . Sunak.

Lovely stuff.

 

[HayfieldYellow]

Genuinely funny from the Torygraph

"Worst football team in my lifetime": Oxford/Swindon* fans on why Swindon/Oxford* are crap.

It's almost cute that the Telegraph thinks that "Telegraph readers disapprove of Labour prime minister" is headline news.

*Delete as applicable.

 

[Peterdev]

Well of course you’d expect Telegraph readers to want Starmer gone after 15 u turns and the way he’s handled the Mandelson situation. But it is fair to say a large number of Starmers own party want him gone too. I’m surprised Kemi Badenoch hasn’t called for a vote of confidence motion in the PM, but I’m sure she is waiting for the calls from his own MPs to do the right thing.
Harriet Harman was less than impressed with him yesterday.
One thing is clear, I’d say, if he dared to call an election he’d be gone. A majority of the QT audience didn’t seem too enamoured with him last night. The Labour minister had to defend Starmer , which must have been hard.
Starmers hands were shaking yesterday as the reality started to sink in as to what he had done.

 

[chuckbert]

it was in the news last week, i didn't read his name it was just stated that another billionaire exits the country and the government have lost the tax equivalent the 500,000 people working paying tax

So the average UK annual income tax bill is GBP10,000 p.a. So this mythical person is paying 5 billion quid in tax p.a.? They could probably have rectified that by getting a decent accountant rather than moving abroad. Or could have asked your and Epstein's mate Branson for advice.

 

[Marston Road Yellow]

Why do people call for a GE? It is a stupid as asking for the moon on a stick

If you were Starmer would you call an election now?

If I were the Labour Party I’d wait until the utter stench of abuse of power, insider trading and generally degenerate actions that Trump is taking are fully exposed by which point temo trump will either have to change his allegiance to him because he will be so stained from kissing trumps a**e ( I had no idea what he was doing, the Epstein excuse) or decide that he can ride it out.

3 1/2 years is a long time in politics. I’ll be surprised if in that time temo trump hasn’t got bored and started yet another political party.

 

[Peterdev]

Why do people call for a GE? It is a stupid as asking for the moon on a stick

If you were Starmer would you call an election now?

If I were the Labour Party I’d wait until the utter stench of abuse of power, insider trading and generally degenerate actions that Trump is taking are fully exposed by which point temo trump will either have to change his allegiance to him because he will be so stained from kissing trumps a**e ( I had no idea what he was doing, the Epstein excuse) or decide that he can ride it out.

3 1/2 years is a long time in politics. I’ll be surprised if in that time temo trump hasn’t got bored and started yet another political party.

Wanting Starmer gone is not wanting an election.
He backed damaged goods and has to resign

 

[SteMerritt]

Wanting Starmer gone is not wanting an election.
He backed damaged goods and has to resign

I think that would show a level of self awareness that most politicians don't possess. It'll be up to the MPs to force him out if it is going to happen.

 

[Peterdev]

I think that would show a level of self awareness that most politicians don't possess. It'll be up to the MPs to force him out if it is going to happen.

I’m sure they will. But I think the catalyst will be 26 November then the local elections. I’m sure SKS won’t be looking forward to it

 

[Symp59]

So the average UK annual income tax bill is GBP10,000 p.a. So this mythical person is paying 5 billion quid in tax p.a.? They could probably have rectified that by getting a decent accountant rather than moving abroad. Or could have asked your and Epstein's mate Branson for advice.

It was in the paper look it up yourself ,but there again the usual left wing attitude. If it was £200 million in tax is it worth driving people out of the UK. They generally create jobs alot of them but you seem the sort to be pleased if those jobs go ,very strange ,you musnt create wealth its terrible straight away they must be vile people. Weird

 

[JOHN BOY]

Genuinely funny from the Torygraph
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"Worst PM in my lifetime" either means all Telegraph readers are less than 3 years old (or have the critical thinking skills of a 3 year old), or have had a serious bout of collective amnesia since Liz Truss left office in October 2022. Not to mention Bojo . . . Cameron . . . . May . . . . Sunak.

Lovely stuff.

Oh he's the worst alright.

 

[Peterdev]

Oh he's the worst alright.

The strange thing is he comes across as a decent man, but he has shown again and again he’s not up to the job. A better option would be Wes Streeting. In the HOC on Wednesday he looked genuinely concerned that Starmer was losing it. Paddy McFadden might be a reasonable choice as might John Healey although I’d expect his pensionable age would go against him.

 

[chuckbert]

It was in the paper look it up yourself

No, if you’re going to spout improbable guff on here, then explain it. It’s not not “typical left” to ask for some actual evidence any more than it’s “typical right” to pull numbers out of where the sun don’t shine. If you’ve got evidence that someone willing to pay 5 billion in tax left the country then I actually want to know about it.

 

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[Morris Oxford]

Well this is the thing, be careful what you wish for.

It’s not just Starmer who’s not very good, the Chancellor isn’t very good either, in fact this government, the opposition and politicians in this country aren’t very good. Some are just not as bad as others.

Starmer goes and we might we’ll end up with a PM that the country would never vote for themselves, it would be the only way that person would ever get into that position of power and influence.

 

[QR]

There were plenty of people who have considered Mandelson intelligent and talented. That is not in doubt. You’d expect the leader of any national party to want to co-operate with leaders of major countries to serve the national interest. What is Farage meant to do?
I’m sure Farage would have vetted him before appointing him and considered the baggage that Mandelson clearly had to be an obstacle.
That is different to taking Mandelson at his word as Starmer did.

So, maybe because he was too trusting or maybe because he deployed 'a thief to catch a thief', Starmer judgement of being called into question and his head is being called for. But why therefore are those on the right not similarly shocked and outraged by Farage's years of fawning over Trump and calling for Farage to step down?

 

[Peterdev]

This is a discussion about Starmer and his judgement. He left the government twice yet Starmer decided to take a chance on him. He has tried to deflect the argument by blaming Mandelson for lying
He took a chance despite knowing the risks and warnings.
His judgement is in question.
Farage has made mistakes but he hasn’t made a whopper like this one has he?

 

[chuckbert]

This is a discussion about Starmer and his judgement. He left the government twice yet Starmer decided to take a chance on him. He has tried to deflect the argument by blaming Mandelson for lying
He took a chance despite knowing the risks and warnings.
His judgement is in question.
Farage has made mistakes but he hasn’t made a whopper like this one has he?

Farage doesn’t even turn up to f*****g parliament!

 

[QR]

This is a discussion about Starmer and his judgement. He left the government twice yet Starmer decided to take a chance on him. He has tried to deflect the argument by blaming Mandelson for lying
He took a chance despite knowing the risks and warnings.
His judgement is in question.
Farage has made mistakes but he hasn’t made a whopper like this one has he?

I'm not disputing Starmer's poor judgement on this. I've always found Mandleson very Machiavellian and untrustworthy and could not understand why Starmer would associate with him (other than the rather weak 'you need a thief to catch a thief' line). I don't think Starmer is a leader, I don't think he thinks quickly enough on his feet to come out on top in political one to ones, however, I do think, as far as you can say with any politicians (anyone!) that he's trustworthy.

What I am drawing attention to is the justifiable flak Starmer is receiving from the right for his decision to chum up to Mandleson compared to the absence of any criticism of Farage for chumming up to one of the worst people in history!

 

[Symp59]

This is a discussion about Starmer and his judgement. He left the government twice yet Starmer decided to take a chance on him. He has tried to deflect the argument by blaming Mandelson for lying
He took a chance despite knowing the risks and warnings.
His judgement is in question.
Farage has made mistakes but he hasn’t made a whopper like this one has he?

Nice to have decent conversation on here not the left wing abuse

 

[Oslernorth]

Starmer should go. He’s backed a known paedophile, who was sacked twice before.
Oh he’s apologised so that makes it ok.
Not to worry, Steve Reed has backed him. Thats a ringing endorsement for him.
I see bookies have him 4-1 on to leave this year. The problem for them is when the local elections are disastrous his own party won’t support him. Then there’s the by election is three weeks ago.

Epstein is the known paedophile, not Mandleson.
But yes, if that’s what is landing with the public. Then his position will become untenable regardless.
Comms has been the problem with this administration from the start. And that is Starmer’s fault!

 

[Symp59]

Epstein is the known paedophile, not Mandleson.
But yes, if that’s what is landing with the public. Then his position will become untenable regardless.
Comms has been the problem with this administration from the start. And that is Starmer’s fault!

It's not the paedophile bit it's that Mandleson excepted money for information from our government which he gave to Epstein and also lobbyed on his behalf with the government over stuff Epstein wanted there fore breaking the official secrets act. He should gi to prison and let's be honest if Mandelson goes down it will be like a pack of cards and it could bring the government down ,and could still also have massive ramifications for the royal family .It really is the biggest national story since Profumo

 

[Peterdev]

Epstein is the known paedophile, not Mandleson.
But yes, if that’s what is landing with the public. Then his position will become untenable regardless.
Comms has been the problem with this administration from the start. And that is Starmer’s fault!

I agree Epstein was. It remains to be seen if Mandelson is. Looks like pretty much everyone agrees Starmers judgement is deeply flawed and his evaluation of character is sadly lacking

 

[Peterdev]

Farage doesn’t even turn up to f*****g parliament!

If he does they don’t get the chance to question. They have to sit through Starmers allies praising him and then hurl barrages of criticism to which they can’t respond. Mind you to his credit, Starmer occasionally visits between appointments abroad

 

[chuckbert]

If he does they don’t get the chance to question. They have to sit through Starmers allies praising him and then hurl barrages of criticism to which they can’t respond. Mind you to his credit, Starmer occasionally visits between appointments abroad

Parliament isn’t all about having your personal voice heard.

 

[Marston Road Yellow]

A question for those that want Starmer gone.
Bearing in mind that the Labour Party have 3 1/2 years still to run and knowing that they won’t call an election, who would you like to be PM?

I know you don’t want any of them but for argument sake which of the labour front runners do you think would manage the country better than Starmer?