National Politics 🔴 The Labour Party

[Symp59]

Ever since I became aware of politics we have had
- corruption
- scandals
- illegal wars
- mass immigration
- illegal immigration
- Economy and debt worries
- crime issues
- social issues

And things only seem to be getting worse.

What I don't understand is why I am supposed to be so scared of a Reform government?

I think it's because I don't have much of a stake in society and some others on here do but honestly I fear nothing.
The "centrism" of the Tories and Labour for the past 30 years is making our country a hellhole for a lot of people.
Even if Polanski and his merry band of far-left and Islamist friends (make that coalition make sense) got in things can't get much worse.

As @Essexyellows often says... The games gone

We need a total change ,we have slowly let go of running our country ,the EU has got into every country people have been massively paid to take away a countries DNA but people have had enough of politicians in every party ,Labour and the Conservatives lining there own pockets and not looking after there own people we are sleep walking to a disaster in this country, time to wake up and smell the coffee. Reform won't be perfect but the other 2 parties have let this country down .Ask Tony Blair ,Neil Kinnock ,Boris ,Cameron ,Ritchie Sunak I wonder what's been in it for them while the country is slowly but surely been taken over.

 

[Marston Road Yellow]

So great that not a single one of those disposables defected to reform

 

[Essexyellows]

Those of us who lived through the Thatcher years probably had it best, mostly due to "selling off the family silver" in the form of council houses, utilities etc etc.

Some time later I would agree that some of those decisions weren't the best, but hindsight is a marvellous thing and many of us done very well thank you.

End of the day we work, pay our taxes, do our four score years and ten, the world changes around us and we either take the opportunities to make our "bit" better or not.

And there is little we can do to change it.

 

[Londox]

We need a total change ,we have slowly let go of running our country ,the EU has got into every country people have been massively paid to take away a countries DNA but people have had enough of politicians in every party ,Labour and the Conservatives lining there own pockets and not looking after there own people we are sleep walking to a disaster in this country, time to wake up and smell the coffee. Reform won't be perfect but the other 2 parties have let this country down .Ask Tony Blair ,Neil Kinnock ,Boris ,Cameron ,Ritchie Sunak I wonder what's been in it for them while the country is slowly but surely been taken over.

I'm with you sir

 

[West Oxon U’s]

Starmer on the brink:

 

[bazzer9461]

Starmer on the brink:

Good

 

[Marston Road Yellow]

We need a total change ,we have slowly let go of running our country ,the EU has got into every country people have been massively paid to take away a countries DNA but people have had enough of politicians in every party ,Labour and the Conservatives lining there own pockets and not looking after there own people we are sleep walking to a disaster in this country, time to wake up and smell the coffee. Reform won't be perfect but the other 2 parties have let this country down .Ask Tony Blair ,Neil Kinnock ,Boris ,Cameron ,Ritchie Sunak I wonder what's been in it for them while the country is slowly but surely been taken over.

Neil kinnock???
All that power he wielded whilst not in power.

Real change I’m with you but don’t be fooled by the tories changing their suits and calling themselves Reform . They got away with so much in power that they’ll never get power again as tories and they know it. A leopard doesn’t change its spots.

 

[West Oxon U’s]

It has taken Starmer & Co. a mere 18 months to achieve what the Conservatives did to the Country over 14 years.

Starmer is now in office but not in power.

 

[Marston Road Yellow]

It has taken Starmer & Co. a mere 18 months to achieve what the Conservatives did to the Country over 14 years.

Starmer is now in office but not in power.

Starmer will go.
Labour have been bad but the roads were ok when Cameron got into power. The schools were well equipped and so were the hospitals. The defence was strong well equipped and organised and bar an international economic crash we would have been straight.
When the tories left the schools hospitals roads and defence were all on their knees.

I’m sorry that the Labour Party hasn’t fixed it all in 18 months., but don’t even joke that this government has been as bad as the 14 years of Tory pillaging.

 

[Symp59]

Neil kinnock???
All that power he wielded whilst not in power.

Real change I’m with you but don’t be fooled by the tories changing their suits and calling themselves Reform . They got away with so much in power that they’ll never get power again as tories and they know it. A leopard doesn’t change its spots.

No the money Kinnock his wife his family have earnt from the EU ,there are over 25,000 people in Brussels working in the EU earning over 250,000 a year it's a money train for ex politians screwing over your own country, iam glad to be out of it and it won't be long before it is over ,most European people have had enough of it,its corruption in a undercover way

 

[QR]

No the money Kinnock his wife his family have earnt from the EU ,there are over 25,000 people in Brussels working in the EU earning over 250,000 a year it's a money train for ex politians screwing over your own country, iam glad to be out of it and it won't be long before it is over ,most European people have had enough of it,its corruption in a undercover way

I do find it odd that those who laud the multi-millionaires and billionaires of this world (Epstein and his friends say) hate people on much less and then say they aren't being played!

 

[bazzer9461]

Good old Jezza not holding back

 

[Symp59]

I do find it odd that those who laud the multi-millionaires and billionaires of this world (Epstein and his friends say) hate people on much less and then say they aren't being played!

I understand where you are coming from ,however we have just lost a billionaire in the UK that was paying more tax than 500,too people, working people in the UK, the labour party are idiots at driving these people out. The politics of envoy are just plain stupid. When the public is now bigger than the private sector we are going bankrupt that's where we are going and we are walking blindly by Rachael from accounts in that direction. So if you believe it's the right way prepare yourself for the public bubble crash and another nail in our country.

 

[Sheik Djibouti]

I do find it odd that those who laud the multi-millionaires and billionaires of this world (Epstein and his friends say) hate people on much less and then say they aren't being played!

Certain posters: WE NEED CHANGE!

Same posters: I'M VOTING FOR REFORM



The biggest grifters in parliament who are all about self enrichment...and you think that represents change.

Well it does in one sense that self enrichment, nepotism, incompetence and Temu Trump policies will be on steroids. And it's ALWAYS the little people who will bear the brunt.

The only real change will come through reform of our political system and the way we choose government (which has universal support on here). Until that happens, you are simply giving one flavour of political doctrine almost unlimited power every 5 years...and that is why we are where we are.

We'll always be pissing in the wind until that changes and it won't be the well off who suffer the consequences, that much is sure.

 

[QR]

I understand where you are coming from ,however we have just lost a billionaire in the UK that was paying more tax than 500,too people, working people in the UK, the labour party are idiots at driving these people out. The politics of envoy are just plain stupid. When the public is now bigger than the private sector we are going bankrupt that's where we are going and we are walking blindly by Rachael from accounts in that direction. So if you believe it's the right way prepare yourself for the public bubble crash and another nail in our country.

Tell me more about this patriotic billionaire.

 

[Sheik Djibouti]

Tell me more about this patriotic billionaire.

A paragon of self interest from what I hear

 

[Marston Road Yellow]

No the money Kinnock his wife his family have earnt from the EU ,there are over 25,000 people in Brussels working in the EU earning over 250,000 a year it's a money train for ex politians screwing over your own country, iam glad to be out of it and it won't be long before it is over ,most European people have had enough of it,its corruption in a undercover way

Was it more or less than Nigel earned for not turning up there?

 

[Marston Road Yellow]

It also bothers me that you think people who were elected and turned up, represented their constituents and carried out their duties were grifters? They may be politically opposite but I think calling them grifters is untrue.

I mean I get that you didn’t want us in the union but did you not want someone from our nation that was paying billions into the union to represent and lobby for their share of the funding for constituency projects? Should we just have paid the money and not turned up? ( I know that’s what Nigel did, and in fact does for his constituents ….)

 

[Symp59]

Tell me more about this patriotic billionaire.

So you don't think we need the billionaires to create the wealth to pay the public services etc ,how should wealth be made because the public services don't make a country wealthy .Which country in the world would you use as an example

 

[Symp59]

Was it more or less than Nigel earned for not turning up there?

He was making g a point at the time and certainly the boat ,do you not think the EU is run by beaucrats lining thete own pockets ,Kinnocks ,Tony Blair with his projects he should be in prison for the Iraj war alone and the weapons of mass destruction.

 

[Symp59]

He was making g a point at the time and certainly the boat ,do you not think the EU is run by beaucrats lining thete own pockets ,Kinnocks ,Tony Blair with his projects he should be in prison for the Iraj war alone and the weapons of mass destruction.

rocking the boat

 

[Basham Wonderland]

Good old Jezza not holding back

It's just a shame Corbyn surrounded himself with the most ideologically disabled members of the Labour party. He was possibly the only genuine person in the whole party - which explains why they gave him the boot.

 

[ThatSlopesATwelfthMan]

So you don't think we need the billionaires to create the wealth to pay the public services etc ,how should wealth be made because the public services don't make a country wealthy .Which country in the world would you use as an example

Depends. Innovators, inventors, investors drive growth and collective wealth. Extractors, hoarders don't. Same throughout history. People who accumulate billions of personal or family wealth and dedicate their lives to protecting it are almost by definition hoarding. Dead money. Nothing wrong with people getting rich but if the balance between the private and public realm isn't there it becomes a recipe for nightmares. No country created more billionaires as quickly as Russia in the 90s for instance. Norway is a cliched but also helpful example of the benefits of a more balanced economic policy - wealth creation is incentivised but within a framework that asks 'how does this also benefit the whole'. They got lucky on natural resources for sure but so did we in the 70s and 80s. Currently running at about 45% national debt to GDP versus our 100%+. Higher direct taxes but also significantly higher overall 'wealth'.

 

[Symp59]

Russia had more Billionaires made from fraudulent ways ,so what other country would you recommend .Dyson a great investor and inventor wanted to make is car in Singapore because we are one of the worst countries in the world to build in because of the cost of electricity etc driven by the communist milliand lunatic net zero .We are driving business into the ground ,who pays for the public services

 

[m]

Russia had more Billionaires made from fraudulent ways ,so what other country would you recommend .Dyson a great investor and inventor wanted to make is car in Singapore because we are one of the worst countries in the world to build in because of the cost of electricity etc driven by the communist milliand lunatic net zero .We are driving business into the ground ,who pays for the public services

Dyson is a dreadful human being.

 

[Sheik Djibouti]

Dyson is a dreadful human being.

Precisely. Anyone holding up people like James Dyson or Jim Ratcliffe as shining examples of what a British billionaire should be and how they should act, needs to do some serious research.

 

[Sheik Djibouti]

Depends. Innovators, inventors, investors drive growth and collective wealth. Extractors, hoarders don't. Same throughout history. People who accumulate billions of personal or family wealth and dedicate their lives to protecting it are almost by definition hoarding. Dead money. Nothing wrong with people getting rich but if the balance between the private and public realm isn't there it becomes a recipe for nightmares. No country created more billionaires as quickly as Russia in the 90s for instance. Norway is a cliched but also helpful example of the benefits of a more balanced economic policy - wealth creation is incentivised but within a framework that asks 'how does this also benefit the whole'. They got lucky on natural resources for sure but so did we in the 70s and 80s. Currently running at about 45% national debt to GDP versus our 100%+. Higher direct taxes but also significantly higher overall 'wealth'.

Very well said.

The problem is that when you start using phrases such as "for the many, not the few" and "for the greater good". They have very negative connotations with socialism for people who have been conditioned to be convinced that wealth creation and individual enrichment at others expense are what we all need to strive for.

I'm sure it's an absolute coincidence that the people telling you to think that way are those who hold on to 98% of the worlds wealth

 

[ThatSlopesATwelfthMan]

Russia had more Billionaires made from fraudulent ways ,so what other country would you recommend .Dyson a great investor and inventor wanted to make is car in Singapore because we are one of the worst countries in the world to build in because of the cost of electricity etc driven by the communist milliand lunatic net zero .We are driving business into the ground ,who pays for the public services

For what it's worth I agree with you that the current government is overseeing an economic car crash, as did the previous one, and completely failing to identify the right solutions. This one is also doing even more 'tinkering' with the tax system - among the worst of economic crimes. Was commenting more on the focus on billionaires and the 'mega wealthy' as a bellweather. Dyson is a complicated example and a bit of an outlier as the charismatic head of a big but private company. For every Dyson there's a Nissan/BMW etc. who take a different view. And let's face it if was *only* about costs versus profiteering he wouldn't have chosen somewhere as grossly autocratic and unequal as Singapore. A push to 'net zero' will have an impact on energy prices (also energy security and supply) but we're decades away from those policies driving the kind of short term price inflation we've seen recently triggered by Ukraine. That inflation almost entirely down to our dependence on Russia and other countries to keep the lights on. Could be argued that in the long haul green energy is about the only viable way to build energy independence.

 

[Marston Road Yellow]

He was making g a point at the time and certainly the boat ,do you not think the EU is run by beaucrats lining thete own pockets ,Kinnocks ,Tony Blair with his projects he should be in prison for the Iraj war alone and the weapons of mass destruction

So not representing your constituency is “making a point”

What point is he making at the moment?

The system was broken so acting like a toddler and not going was the fix?

We’re in for a fantastic ride if he becomes prime minister!

 

[SteMerritt]

the communist milliand lunatic net zero

The what now?