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[Peterdev]

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Name a day where he's not been struggling, I would say the guy should join the fire service, but he's just well used to fires, he doesn't seem that good at either preventing them or indeed putting them out.

he may well find himself fired soon,
There’s a vote releasing the Mandelson files very soon according to GB News.
I was expecting Angela Rayner to have a go, but I’m sure she’s happy just watching Starmer implode with her chance of No10 growing by the day.

 

[Symp59]

Mandelson should go to prison end of ,and Starmer should call an election .What a cover up ,what did he say i can't remember anything about the 75,000 unbelievable

PmQs today the PM says he knew about Mandleson and Epstein what is he hiding ,if he knows what is now coming out should he resign ,because there maybe a criminal case about Mandleson if there is and the pm knew what about him where does that put the PM

 

[Basham Wonderland]

Labour MPs say they will vote down plan to limit Mandelson disclosures​

Reported by the Guardian. I've not thought he was in trouble until now. As a side note - shouldn't MI5 have known about all of this throughout?? I'd imagine someone would have had a word with Starmer about this in advance.

 

[Peterdev]

The fact Starmer is trying to get this looked into internally, says a lot about his bumbling and indecisiveness at PMQs today.
I loved it when Angela Rayner said the government shouldn’t be marking its own homework. And I thought all she was waiting for the right opportunity to undermine Starmer. The risk for many of us could be Rayner becoming PM with a big majority in parliament,

 

[Nadi-]

The question should also be
What did Mandelson have on Starmer
Today he called him Mandelson, but it was Peter and my friend Peter previously.

 

[Peterdev]

The question should also be
What did Mandelson have on Starmer
Today he called him Mandelson, but it was Peter and my friend Peter previously.

I’m sure the video and pictures warmly smiling in each others company will come to haunt Starmer and a Labour for many a year. I’m not sure if this will bring about an early election but I’d think that confidence in Labour must be shot to pieces. I’m sure they will continue on with the big majority that Morgan Sweeney and Mandelson helped achieve. Starmer must be really disappointed that he can no longer rely on the services of the Dark Destroyer and his cabinet enforcer to help him…Sweeney will surely fall on his own sword or be pushed out.
Some in Labour seem deluded if they think Mandelson losing his title will be enough to satisfy his opponents…and of course all the Epstein victims and the voters who are being fed the idea that Mandelson spied against Britain for the east.
Starmer clearly backed his judgement despite two previous sackings.

 

[Essexyellows]

Starmer was literally bricks at PMQ`s.

Did the Security services tell you Mandelson was "close" to Epstein - "Yes".

Did you still appoint him to the US job? - "Yes".

Are you going to release the evidence? - "Ermmm...... hold on...........SQUIRREL!"

Its glorious!

 

[Londox]

Have @QR or @Sheik Djibouti come along yet to try and defend this mess or maybe some "whataboutism" and "deflection" with "Reform and the Tories are worse dontcha know?"

Starmers days are clearly numbered. One of the most unpopular PMs in history.

I thought after 14 years of "Tory cuts" everything was going to get better?

Different colour rosette same sh!t.

 

[Londox]

Yeah but they had honour and accountability back then. This is 2026 - we don't do that anymore.

Politicians must be up there with the least respected/ trusted professions these days.

Maybe only Traffic Wardens, HR and DEI departments are less respected.

 

[Marston Road Yellow]

Have @QR or @Sheik Djibouti come along yet to try and defend this mess or maybe some "whataboutism" and "deflection" with "Reform and the Tories are worse dontcha know?"

Starmers days are clearly numbered. One of the most unpopular PMs in history.

I thought after 14 years of "Tory cuts" everything was going to get better?

Different colour rosette same sh!t.

Yep but just because this lot are nearly as bad as the tories doesn’t mean that we should throw the baby out with the bath water.

What this demonstrates to me is that wrongdoings by any politician should be treated very harshly indeed. In this case it looks like a smoking gun of someone committing treason and insider trading and on both counts he should face very stiff punishment.

 

[Sheik Djibouti]

Have @QR or @Sheik Djibouti come along yet to try and defend this mess or maybe some "whataboutism" and "deflection" with "Reform and the Tories are worse dontcha know?"

Starmers days are clearly numbered. One of the most unpopular PMs in history.

I thought after 14 years of "Tory cuts" everything was going to get better?

Different colour rosette same sh!t.

Whataboutism and deflection are your speciality when asked whether you expect the civil service to break the law, remember.

Why would I defend the actions of Mandleson Serial liar and wrongun

As for Starmer...poor judgement and he'll get what's coming soon enough.

Hate to break it to you, but different colour rosette, same s**t ALSO applies to your mate Nigel (talking of serial liars and wronguns), or have you been sitting there covering your eyes and ears all this time!while he merrily recruits failed Tories.

 

[Londox]

Yep but just because this lot are nearly as bad as the tories doesn’t mean that we should throw the baby out with the bath water.

What this demonstrates to me is that wrongdoings by any politician should be treated very harshly indeed. In this case it looks like a smoking gun of someone committing treason and insider trading and on both counts he should face very stiff punishment.

Ever since I became aware of politics we have had
- corruption
- scandals
- illegal wars
- mass immigration
- illegal immigration
- Economy and debt worries
- crime issues
- social issues

And things only seem to be getting worse.

What I don't understand is why I am supposed to be so scared of a Reform government?

I think it's because I don't have much of a stake in society and some others on here do but honestly I fear nothing.
The "centrism" of the Tories and Labour for the past 30 years is making our country a hellhole for a lot of people.
Even if Polanski and his merry band of far-left and Islamist friends (make that coalition make sense) got in things can't get much worse.

As @Essexyellows often says... The games gone

 

[Morris Oxford]

This thread and the other political threads on this forum;

‘We’re crap but the other lot are crapper’

Not just on this forum either.

 

[SteMerritt]

‘We’re crap but the other lot are crapper’

I'll be happy to read this on a few matchday threads over the next 3 months, we might have a chance of staying up if so...

 

[EastSussexOx]

Agree wrongdoings of any politician should be treated harshly. Glad to see Mandelson getting his comeuppance and glad Labour MPs are voting down plans to limit Mandelson disclosures - Starmer is craven and will hopefully cost him his job. However, as more of the Epstein files are released Reform will not get out of this squeaky clean - most of Farage's close allies are implicated including Steve Bannon a close associate of Epstein who boasted of his influence on Farage and the treasurer of Reform UK Nick Candy, Farage himself is mentioned many more times than any other party leader (albeit not directly) which shows the sort of company the man of the (rich) people keeps.

 

[Londox]

This thread and the other political threads on this forum;

‘We’re crap but the other lot are crapper’

Not just on this forum either.

I'm not really old enough to know but maybe politics has always been like that?

It always feels very 'lowest common denominator' in first-past-the-post electoral systems.

You end up voting for who you dislike less rather than for anyone you actually believe in.

This trend seems the same in America.

Trump v Biden
Trump v Harris

People end up voting for people they have misgivings for or even serious concerns about, because they fear the alternative even more.

We have an utterly uninspiring system which ends up with personality vacuums, oddballs, narcissists and chancers having a decent chance of becoming PM, simply because their alternative is seen as even more inept.

Whether Reform get in or not, the entire system needs small R reform. The two party system is an outdated failure which isn't delivering for the average person.

All just my opinion, obviously. But there's plenty of people on here on the left (@SteMerritt springs to mind but there are others) who also think the voting and electoral system is sorely wrong.

 

[Londox]

Agree wrongdoings of any politician should be treated harshly. Glad to see Mandelson getting his comeuppance and glad Labour MPs are voting down plans to limit Mandelson disclosures - Starmer is craven and will hopefully cost him his job. However, as more of the Epstein files are released Reform will not get out of this squeaky clean - most of Farage's close allies are implicated including Steve Bannon a close associate of Epstein who boasted of his influence on Farage and the treasurer of Reform UK Nick Candy, Farage himself is mentioned many more times than any other party leader (albeit not directly) which shows the sort of company the man of the (rich) people keeps.

You've made @Morris Oxford 's point for him with this post.

 

[Basham Wonderland]

Agree wrongdoings of any politician should be treated harshly. Glad to see Mandelson getting his comeuppance and glad Labour MPs are voting down plans to limit Mandelson disclosures - Starmer is craven and will hopefully cost him his job. However, as more of the Epstein files are released Reform will not get out of this squeaky clean - most of Farage's close allies are implicated including Steve Bannon a close associate of Epstein who boasted of his influence on Farage and the treasurer of Reform UK Nick Candy, Farage himself is mentioned many more times than any other party leader (albeit not directly) which shows the sort of company the man of the (rich) people keeps.

Can't believe I actually just watched that ridiculous video. No wonder the MSM isn't running this Epstein/Farage story - it's a load of b*****s.

 

[Marston Road Yellow]

Ever since I became aware of politics we have had
- corruption
- scandals
- illegal wars
- mass immigration
- illegal immigration
- Economy and debt worries
- crime issues
- social issues

And things only seem to be getting worse.

What I don't understand is why I am supposed to be so scared of a Reform government?

I think it's because I don't have much of a stake in society and some others on here do but honestly I fear nothing.
The "centrism" of the Tories and Labour for the past 30 years is making our country a hellhole for a lot of people.
Even if Polanski and his merry band of far-left and Islamist friends (make that coalition make sense) got in things can't get much worse.

As @Essexyellows often says... The games gone

I do think you will get your wish.
Personally I think it will feel more dangerous for lots of us. I think we will loose our NHS and I do think think the economy will get much much worse.

I get that people want change and I’m so angry with this labour government for getting so much so badly wrong or badly communicated because they were my hope to save the country from the real elites of Reform.

My only hope is that this whole utterly mad politics of hatred lands on its face in the next 3 1/2 years, and that something caring and clean comes along. I just can’t see it happening.

 

[Londox]

Can't believe I actually just watched that ridiculous video. No wonder the MSM isn't running this Epstein/Farage story - it's a load of b*****s.

It will replace the Russia nonsense as the favoured conspiracy of the left.

 

[QR]

Have @QR or @Sheik Djibouti come along yet to try and defend this mess or maybe some "whataboutism" and "deflection" with "Reform and the Tories are worse dontcha know?"

Starmers days are clearly numbered. One of the most unpopular PMs in history.

I thought after 14 years of "Tory cuts" everything was going to get better?

Different colour rosette same sh!t.

I think you'll find there are many people in the Labour Party more thrilled by this than even you!!

 

[Londox]

I do think you will get your wish.
Personally I think it will feel more dangerous for lots of us. I think we will loose our NHS and I do think think the economy will get much much worse.

I get that people want change and I’m so angry with this labour government for getting so much so badly wrong or badly communicated because they were my hope to save the country from the real elites of Reform.

My only hope is that this whole utterly mad politics of hatred lands on its face in the next 3 1/2 years, and that something caring and clean comes along. I just can’t see it happening.

It's interesting you posit Reform as "utterly mad politics"

Is importing millions of people from countries from all over the world, many of which have completely different worldviews to ours not mad?

Is importing so many people from across the world that ethnically British people are under 50% in our 3 biggest cities not mad?

Is hoping that this change will just magically work out without major changes not mad?

Is following America into disastrous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan not mad?

Is spending way over our means and going into huge levels of debt not mad?

Labour and the Conservatives have been in power and they are the ones who have sowed the seeds of division and hatred through their extreme policies and carelessness.

 

[Essexyellows]

 

[bazzer9461]

Just listened to the Labour bullshit sorry oarty political broadcast all it was about was how much they hate the reform party. Labour must be shitting themselves as there isn’t any love lost from me for reform but it feels like Labour are worried about the fallout of Mandelson.

 

[Marston Road Yellow]

It's interesting you posit Reform as "utterly mad politics"

Is importing millions of people from countries from all over the world, many of which have completely different worldviews to ours not mad?

Is importing so many people from across the world that ethnically British people are under 50% in our 3 biggest cities not mad?

Is hoping that this change will just magically work out without major changes not mad?

Is following America into disastrous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan not mad?

Is spending way over our means and going into huge levels of debt not mad?

Labour and the Conservatives have been in power and they are the ones who have sowed the seeds of division and hatred through their extreme policies and carelessness.

Interesting how you read something I didn’t say……

 

[Marston Road Yellow]

I said politics of hatred but if the cap fits feel free to wear it.

 

[Londox]

Just listened to the Labour bullshit sorry oarty political broadcast all it was about was how much they hate the reform party. Labour must be shitting themselves as there isn’t any love lost from me for reform but it feels like Labour are worried about the fallout of Mandelson.

"We have no answers but the other guys are worse" - vote Labour/Tory since 1922

 

[m]

It will replace the Russia nonsense as the favoured conspiracy of the left.

Sorry, "Russia nonsense"?

Are you saying that you don't believe that there has ever been a concerted Russian effort to influence any UK votes or elections?

 

[tonyw]

All just my opinion, obviously. But there's plenty of people on here on the left (@SteMerritt springs to mind but there are others) who also think the voting and electoral system is sorely wrong.

I think it's been established that this is the one political issue where there's a pretty broad (if not universal) consensus on here. The country would be in a much better state with a proper PR system such that our representatives actually match the wishes of the people, and decisions have to be made after debate and compromise between blocks of politicians with differing views (and this applies to the UK obviously, but it's ten times worse in the US).

It's why I'm hoping that the next UK election results in something as close as possible to a five-way split of MPs. If the Greens, Lib Dems and Reform (yes, even them) actually had some power to reflect the number of people who agree with their positioning, then it might force some real change in the electoral system.

 

[EastSussexOx]

It will replace the Russia nonsense as the favoured conspiracy of the left.

The 'Russia nonsense' where Nathan Gill who has been jailed for accepting bribes to spy for Russia, the Crown prosecution service are now investigating at least 8 members of MEPs elected for either Ukip or the Brexit party for followed Gill’s talking points. Zia Yusef may claim “most people in the senior leadership team have never really heard of the guy and that he was just one of tens of thousands of people” the party’s leader Nigel Farage “meets on an annual basis” but unfortunately a lot of photos and video evidence of them working together including a video of him stating
"I have worked closely with Nathan Gill as leader of UKIP Wales," he said. "I have always found him to be hard-working, honest, and loyal." while of the 24 UKIP MEPs elected along with Farage in 2014, Gill was the only one to survive all the way to Farage’s newest party, when Gill was appointed Leader of Reform in Wales in March 2021. At the time, this was the most senior party appointment apart from Farage. This suggests that if nothing else Farage was a close ally of a Russian spy, and Yusef was either ignorant of this or lying.
But Farage has plenty of Russian connections of his own dating 2013 and his first (initially denied) meeting with the Russian Ambassador in London, Alexander Yakovenko, later identified in the UK Parliament’s Russia Report as a key Kremlin influence operator. He had a regular paid role on RT (formerly Russia Today), appearing 14 times in 2014 he same year he told GQ magazine, when asked which world leader he admired most, “as an operator, but not as a human being, I would say Putin. The way he played the whole Syria thing. Brilliant”. This is just the tip of the iceberg https://bylinetimes.com/2025/10/04/thick-as-thieves-nathan-gill-and-nigel-farages-putin-problem/ and points to a worrying pattern of Farage cosying up with some authoritarian figures who are hostile to the UK - just last week his attendance at Davos was paid for by an Iranian billionaire. Given he is happy to do Cameo videos cheering on the IRA and saying he is close friends with prolific paedophiles for less than £100, it should surely worry anyone the extent to which he may sell the UK down the river to enrich himself.

These are documented pieces of evidence - often in his own words rather than conspiracy theories.

Politics shouldn't be like football where we support our team no matter what. On balance, the Green party are closest to my values but I am happy to call them out when they engage in wrongdoing - like the Blackburn councillor arrested under the slavery act or f*****g Ian Middleton and his NIMBY zombies trying to kill our football club. But I don't think all politicians are the same - some genuinely want to help their communities and make the country a better place - but it depresses me when people cant see self serving grifters like Farage for who they really are.