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National Politics 🟣 Reform UK

Would you vote for Reform under Nigel Farage?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 20.1%

  • Maybe/Undecided

    Votes: 17 9.2%

  • No

    Votes: 130 70.7%
  • Total voters
    184
  • Poll closed .
The strange thing about Reforms massive donations is that it changes little in terms of their electoral outcomes.

They can create the greatest campaign videos in the world, flood social media with content, have national tours with Farage and Co. on a stage near you.

All it will do is to reinforce their core vote whilst also reinforcing the 'Anyone but Reform' vote. Reform can get a solid 30% in every constituency, but whilst like with the poll at the top of this thread, there will be twice as many people who will never vote for them and will unite behind the best of the rest. They'll win some seats but no where near the numbers that many were predicting only a few months ago.

And even this relays on a couple of key factors. Firstly, Reform keep this core vote. They were established to unite the disenfranchised right, those who felt ignored by the Tories and left behind by the political elite. But many of these people are seeing that Reform and their crypto mates and million pound gifts are no better. Many of these people are already moving even further right towards Restore or sliding back to the Tories.

And the single biggest factor is Farage. Like him or loathe him, he is an incredible force that IS Reform. I thought that he was guaranteed to go in the coming months, but these donations might have bought him for a little longer. But he's becoming less influential, both within his party, and amongst the wider public. And if/when he goes, what's left behind is, as @boogaloo says, a turd that can't be polished.
 
Scotchegg said:
The strange thing about Reforms massive donations is that it changes little in terms of their electoral outcomes.

They can create the greatest campaign videos in the world, flood social media with content, have national tours with Farage and Co. on a stage near you.

All it will do is to reinforce their core vote whilst also reinforcing the 'Anyone but Reform' vote. Reform can get a solid 30% in every constituency, but whilst like with the poll at the top of this thread, there will be twice as many people who will never vote for them and will unite behind the best of the rest. They'll win some seats but no where near the numbers that many were predicting only a few months ago.

And even this relays on a couple of key factors. Firstly, Reform keep this core vote. They were established to unite the disenfranchised right, those who felt ignored by the Tories and left behind by the political elite. But many of these people are seeing that Reform and their crypto mates and million pound gifts are no better. Many of these people are already moving even further right towards Restore or sliding back to the Tories.

And the single biggest factor is Farage. Like him or loathe him, he is an incredible force that IS Reform. I thought that he was guaranteed to go in the coming months, but these donations might have bought him for a little longer. But he's becoming less influential, both within his party, and amongst the wider public. And if/when he goes, what's left behind is, as @boogaloo says, a turd that can't be polished.
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Indeed. There's one reason why the Labour majority is so massive and that's because millions voted Anyone But Conservative at the last GE.

Reform are flat lining in the polls and anything they do from here on is mostly preaching to the choir, while they lose people to Restore because they're not hard core enough and to the Tories because looking semi credible in opposition is always miles easier than government, as they repeatedly prove.

And of course Reform and Farage in particular are political whores for sale to the highest bidder in return for favours and gratification of their donors choosing.

The majority will vote Anyone But Reform at the next GE and whilst there possibly won't be a clear majority for any one party, there certainly won't be one for Noge and chums.
 
For me there are 2 major questions.

1 are these donations directly from those that have made them or have they been gifted funds by third parties to forward on. ( with crypto it’s almost impossible to establish where the initial funds came from)

2. What do they expect for their money.
 
m said:
Attritional first half. Enertaining 2nd half -if short on quality - before we started scoring. (Even more entertaining once we did, obvs)

Burton worthy opposition.

I thnk we're stronger after our stint in the Champ. We'll see though.
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We can set Sibley to do one of his lunges on Farage and then chant "Boring, boring, boring" at him when he is stretchered off.
 
Scotchegg said:
The strange thing about Reforms massive donations is that it changes little in terms of their electoral outcomes.

They can create the greatest campaign videos in the world, flood social media with content, have national tours with Farage and Co. on a stage near you.

All it will do is to reinforce their core vote whilst also reinforcing the 'Anyone but Reform' vote. Reform can get a solid 30% in every constituency, but whilst like with the poll at the top of this thread, there will be twice as many people who will never vote for them and will unite behind the best of the rest. They'll win some seats but no where near the numbers that many were predicting only a few months ago.

And even this relays on a couple of key factors. Firstly, Reform keep this core vote. They were established to unite the disenfranchised right, those who felt ignored by the Tories and left behind by the political elite. But many of these people are seeing that Reform and their crypto mates and million pound gifts are no better. Many of these people are already moving even further right towards Restore or sliding back to the Tories.

And the single biggest factor is Farage. Like him or loathe him, he is an incredible force that IS Reform. I thought that he was guaranteed to go in the coming months, but these donations might have bought him for a little longer. But he's becoming less influential, both within his party, and amongst the wider public. And if/when he goes, what's left behind is, as @boogaloo says, a turd that can't be polished.
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Can I ask what is the best of the rest.
 
Light touch regulation for crypto-currency transactions is what they want. I wonder why? Absolutely no chance of getting this done in the EU. When Trump is gone the US may well go the same way and then the game is up.
 
Scotchegg said:
Anyone but Reform. I thought I made that obvious in the context of my post.
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Absolutely. Last GE there was a campaign called Anyone But Conservative where you could enter your postcode, and it would show who is Conservative's main rival in your constituency. In 2029, I expect there will be something similar for Reform.

In a bizarre twist of fate, we could see lots of people who voted for Labour/Lib Dems purely to keep out the Tories, actually voting for the Tories this time round!
 
Scotchegg said:
The strange thing about Reforms massive donations is that it changes little in terms of their electoral outcomes.

They can create the greatest campaign videos in the world, flood social media with content, have national tours with Farage and Co. on a stage near you.
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or maybe, even a proper vetting process so we won't keep getting councillors/candidates routinely getting outed as racists/misogynsts/criminals. But I won't hold my breath, as Reform does seem to attract a certain sort...
 
Just putting this out there........... a subtle change in the Employment Rights Bill means unions no longer require member approval to use donations for political purposes. Labour MPs may see a rise in donations as unions, the party’s main fundraisers, respond to the rule change.

parliamentnews.co.uk

Labour could gain £11m after union donation rule change

Labour may benefit from a rule change allowing unions to donate without member consent, potentially adding £11m to party funding.
parliamentnews.co.uk parliamentnews.co.uk

And if you want to see who gives what to who..........or "buys influence"....

donation.watch

Top donors of Labour United Kingdom | DonationWatch

Since 2010, Labour has received 11508 donations over £1K, totaling £368M. Explore donor data and trends in United Kingdom.
donation.watch donation.watch
 
Essexyellows said:
Just putting this out there........... a subtle change in the Employment Rights Bill means unions no longer require member approval to use donations for political purposes. Labour MPs may see a rise in donations as unions, the party’s main fundraisers, respond to the rule change.

parliamentnews.co.uk

Labour could gain £11m after union donation rule change

Labour may benefit from a rule change allowing unions to donate without member consent, potentially adding £11m to party funding.
parliamentnews.co.uk parliamentnews.co.uk

And if you want to see who gives what to who..........or "buys influence"....

donation.watch

Top donors of Labour United Kingdom | DonationWatch

Since 2010, Labour has received 11508 donations over £1K, totaling £368M. Explore donor data and trends in United Kingdom.
donation.watch donation.watch
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I agree that no one should be forced to make a political donation to any party but as your link points out...

“Members will be informed of their right to opt out of contributions on any form they complete to join a union.”

...it sounds that the £11m claim is a bit far fetched.
 
QR said:
I agree that no one should be forced to make a political donation to any party but as your link points out...

“Members will be informed of their right to opt out of contributions on any form they complete to join a union.”

...it sounds that the £11m claim is a bit far fetched.
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Same suit, different tie colour...................

"Across both parties, the study identified 125 companies that had donated £30.15m to political parties and were subsequently awarded £28.8bn in central government contracts, with £2.5bn of those awarded within two years of the donation."

bmmagazine.co.uk

Companies that donated to Labour awarded £138m in government contracts, report claims

A new study by the Autonomy Institute claims that firms donating to Labour have received £138m in government contracts during the party’s first year in power, prompting calls for tighter rules on political donations and procurement.
bmmagazine.co.uk bmmagazine.co.uk
 
boogaloo said:
Well, well. 'Protect our women' - I thought that was their mantra?

They certainly seem to attract a certain sort...

www.bbc.co.uk

Reform's Dan Thomas resigns as Wales leader after arrest

Gwent Police said he was arrested on suspicion of assault and controlling or coercive behaviour.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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I think that policy was officially dropped at the party conference. Well the audience seemed to have got that impression anyway
 
Sheik Djibouti said:
And he's promised to stop the boats, while imprisoning everyone and anyone he deems to have aided and abetted them, so there is that. . . .

Fabulous ROI for the cryptospivs though. One off £32m in and then a sweet £100 million A YEAR in return - what's not to like 🤷‍♂️
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I was going to say 'and they didn't try to hide it'. But they do.
 
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