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National Politics 🟣 Reform UK

Would you vote for Reform under Nigel Farage?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 20.1%

  • Maybe/Undecided

    Votes: 17 9.2%

  • No

    Votes: 130 70.7%
  • Total voters
    184
  • Poll closed .
Peterdev said:
I think you’ll find it’s probably a combination of Conservative and Labour followers that want Nigel Farage gone
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Probably true but that’s not what the Reform Party said, they blamed him it on loony left activists - straight out of the Trump playbook.
 
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I don’t know why people keep saying ‘You vote for a party’ - that’s not entirely correct, or why would MPs at election time all constantly bang on about how much they’ve done for the constituency and how much they’ve helped their constituents etc? You vote for a specific, named individual who is a member of a party. It’s not completely clear cut as to whether you’re voting for the individual or the party - I suspect there are many in both camps.

However, you certainly don’t vote for a leader or PM - directly, anyway.

But to make my point, if an MP changes party mid-term then it doesn’t trigger a byelection - so you clearly don’t vote for a party, as that might change and you have no power to stop it.
 
Isle of Wight Yellow said:
I don’t know why people keep saying ‘You vote for a party’ - that’s not entirely correct, or why would MPs at election time all constantly bang on about how much they’ve done for the constituency and how much they’ve helped their constituents etc? You vote for a specific, named individual who is a member of a party. It’s not completely clear cut as to whether you’re voting for the individual or the party - I suspect there are many in both camps.

However, you certainly don’t vote for a leader or PM - directly, anyway.

But to make my point, if an MP changes party mid-term then it doesn’t trigger a byelection - so you clearly don’t vote for a party, as that might change and you have no power to stop it.
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It's a bit of both really. In Clacton, it is widely accepted by the Reform voters that they are more likely to see Elvis in Clacton than Nigel Farage. Getting a MP's surgery forget about it. But they're voting for him because he IS Reform.

Likewise there are some MPs who do a lot for there constituency. Although I don't like him, Lee Anderson did retain his seat AFTER he defected to Reform from Conservative, and you've got to give him credit for that, even if I don't agree with his political viewpoints.

There is a reason why political heavyweights like Farage pick the constituencies they do - Clacton is quite run down, they're not the brightest, and it's full of retired people - Farage's demographic. If he picked somewhere like Guildford or Windsor and Eton, he'd have got absolutely annihilated!
 
boogaloo said:
It's a bit of both really. In Clacton, it is widely accepted by the Reform voters that they are more likely to see Elvis in Clacton than Nigel Farage. Getting a MP's surgery forget about it. But they're voting for him because he IS Reform.

Likewise there are some MPs who do a lot for there constituency. Although I don't like him, Lee Anderson did retain his seat AFTER he defected to Reform from Conservative, and you've got to give him credit for that, even if I don't agree with his political viewpoints.

There is a reason why political heavyweights like Farage pick the constituencies they do - Clacton is quite run down, they're not the brightest, and it's full of retired people - Farage's demographic. If he picked somewhere like Guildford or Windsor and Eton, he'd have got absolutely annihilated!
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"Getting a MP's surgery forget about it. " - well of course he did lie and say he had been advised by the police not to hold them, and even after shown to be a lie he doesn't hold them.
 
Osei Yaw said:
Another patriot 🇬🇧 no issues with this at all I bet Labour and green party have the same thing going on but woke media don't mention that
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Unsure if someone has hacked your account or if it is satire, but taking your post at face value...

A man so patriotic that he lives elsewhere to avoid tax. Who pleaded guilty to breaching money laundering laws and was only rescued by Trump giving him a pardon. I think that tells you quite a lot about him.

Why do you think that Labour and the Green Party have the 'same thing going on'? They would have to declare all such donations, as Reform have (correctly) done. We would know about them. And why do you not include the Conservative party in your accusation?

And if you can explain what 'woke media's is that would be appreciated. What makes (for example) the Daily Telegraph 'woke'? Do Channel 4 and The Daily Express have the same world view?
 
Leysboy said:
There is some traction with reform followers. This gentlemen is obviously passionate about what reform is all about.

I’m sure this will have ruffled a few feathers in certain parties, and also the media and tabloids.

Nothing wrong with this donation at all.
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Legally speaking there is nothing wrong with it. He moved to the UK in April 2006 to get around the Labour rule capping foreign donations of £100,000 - How convenient. How long will he stay here before he p*sses off back to Monaco or wherever he previously lived to avoid paying tax in to the country he claims to 'love'?

Also how long before we start seeing Nigel Farage yet again, lobbying for tax-breaks for crypto?

Most people will actually see this for what it is - Reform is a millionaire's/billionaire's play thing, but it's not like football with PSG/Man City/Chelsea. In politics no matter how much money you throw at, you can't polish a turd.
 
boogaloo said:
Legally speaking there is nothing wrong with it. He moved to the UK in April 2006 to get around the Labour rule capping foreign donations of £100,000 - How convenient. How long will he stay here before he p*sses off back to Monaco or wherever he previously lived to avoid paying tax in to the country he claims to 'love'?

Also how long before we start seeing Nigel Farage yet again, lobbying for tax-breaks for crypto?

Most people will actually see this for what it is - Reform is a millionaire's/billionaire's play thing, but it's not like football with PSG/Man City/Chelsea. In politics no matter how much money you throw at, you can't polish a turd.
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Fun facts - Ben Dalo spent some of his childhood in Radley, his parents still live there and he has just bought Wick Hall and is refurbing it - there are about 60 work-vans there every day at present.
 
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Wallop said:
Fun facts - Ben Dalo grew up in Radley, his parents still live there and he has just bought Wick Hall and is refurbing it - there are about 60 work-vans there every day at present.
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Rumours he is buying his local professional football team.
 
Leysboy said:
There is some traction with reform followers.
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Is there? Polling has dropped from a third of all voters to the low 20's now. Recent by-elections have shown that the "anyone but Reform" vote is significantly stronger with voters willing to give their vote to whoever is most likely to beat them.

The Tories are getting their act together and Labour under Burnham will stabilise their core support.

Reform are long past their peak, and whilst they're still a thorn in the side of the established parties, they're no longer a party that can take power.

Farage will be gone before the next election and Reform will be little more than an angry version of the Lib Dems.
 
Coffin Dodger said:
Might want to check your maths, I think it's closer to 70p per adult.
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Yeah, but it wouldn't matter to the "still voting Reform" cult.

Trump famously once said he could shoot a man on 5th Avenue and people would still vote for him. It's going that way with the Reform cult and the level of delusion is such that Nigel could probably get away with killing a puppy on Clacton Pier and still get the votes.

It wouldn't happen of course, because he's never in Clacton.
 
Scotchegg said:
Is there? Polling has dropped from a third of all voters to the low 20's now. Recent by-elections have shown that the "anyone but Reform" vote is significantly stronger with voters willing to give their vote to whoever is most likely to beat them.

The Tories are getting their act together and Labour under Burnham will stabilise their core support.

Reform are long past their peak, and whilst they're still a thorn in the side of the established parties, they're no longer a party that can take power.

Farage will be gone before the next election and Reform will be little more than an angry version of the Lib Dems.
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I think you might be in for a nasty shock.

A bit like Brexit, nobody believed Remain would lose, but we know what happened.

Whether we like it or not, Immigration is a massive problem, and people are absolutely fed up with it. We’ve had our fair share, now people want to shut it down, and give another party a chance, because Labour and my Conservative Party, have failed, because they don’t want to stop it.

If they did they would have the navy out there.
 
Leysboy said:
I think you might be in for a nasty shock.

A bit like Brexit, nobody believed Remain would lose, but we know what happened.

Whether we like it or not, Immigration is a massive problem, and people are absolutely fed up with it. We’ve had our fair share, now people want to shut it down, and give another party a chance, because Labour and my Conservative Party, have failed, because they don’t want to stop it.

If they did they would have the navy out there.
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Aren't you planning on immigrating to Thailand??!!
 
Leysboy said:
I’m sure if this donation was gifted to Labour, The Lib Dem’s or Greens, it would of been swept under the carpet.

But because it’s donated to Reform, it’s just an excuse for people to try and throw more mud at them.

I think the more they as a party get slated, the more people will actually vote for them.
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The polling does not suggest that, although there is an element that are hell bent on cutting of their nose to spite their face.

Are you not the slightest bit hesitant about the fact that you're prepared to normalise such a disproportionately large donation from an individual with a vested interest in deregulation of crypto? Do you not think twice about that amount of money going to a party led by someone who's judgement and attention to detail is so poor that he will make pro IRA statements and post supportive messages to jailed paedophiles for £80, and also thinks Andrew Tate is an "important voice for men"?

Or is it simply that the means justifies the ends, regardless of what happens along the way?
 
Scotchegg said:
Aren't you planning on immigrating to Thailand??!!
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I am going to move to Thailand. I’m going to live there with my wife.

It’s not the same thing. I will retire aged 55, and respect the Thai culture and laws.

Here people are turning up on our shores, and causing unrest raping and molesting women and children. It’s not acceptable. They also come here taking offence to certain things we do, and our flags.
 
Leysboy said:
I am going to move to Thailand. I’m going to live there with my wife.

It’s not the same thing. I will retire aged 55, and respect the Thai culture and laws.

Here people are turning up on our shores, and causing unrest raping and molesting women and children. It’s not acceptable. They also come here taking offence to certain things we do, and our flags.
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It might surprise you to find the number of "sex tourists" that countries like Thailand attracts, including white British males who commit child sex offences.
 
Leysboy said:
I am going to move to Thailand. I’m going to live there with my wife.

It’s not the same thing. I will retire aged 55, and respect the Thai culture and laws.

Here people are turning up on our shores, and causing unrest raping and molesting women and children. It’s not acceptable. They also come here taking offence to certain things we do, and our flags.
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Cough! Gary Glitter!
 
Leysboy said:
I’m sure if this donation was gifted to Labour, The Lib Dem’s or Greens, it would of been swept under the carpet.

But because it’s donated to Reform, it’s just an excuse for people to try and throw more mud at them.

I think the more they as a party get slated, the more people will actually vote for them.
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Swept under the carpet like this? https://www.opendemocracy.net/labours-biggest-donors-backed-burnham-for-pm-disclosures-reveal/
or this
labourlist.org

List of biggest current Labour donors revealed as party lags Tory fundraising - LabourList

Labour has received hundreds of thousands of pounds from wealthy individuals and trade unions, according to figures released by the Electoral Commission.
labourlist.org labourlist.org
 
Leysboy said:
There is some traction with reform followers. This gentlemen is obviously passionate about what reform is all about.

I’m sure this will have ruffled a few feathers in certain parties, and also the media and tabloids.

Nothing wrong with this donation at all.
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He's also an Oxford educated nailed-on example of the establishment, and a financial criminal 🤷‍♂️
 
Leysboy said:
Well Burnham wasnt voted in by the Electorate Let’s have a general election. So the electorate can rightfully vote him in….

Then he can put down a mandate, and make his masters happy who vote him in to number 10 properly.
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Nigel Farage wasn’t voted in to Reform because Reform don’t run elections for leader. Farage is the major share holder, he can’t be ousted. It’s a totalitarian regime, an absolute autocracy, a cult for racist, bigoted, lemmings.
 
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