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Would you vote for Reform under Nigel Farage?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 20.1%

  • Maybe/Undecided

    Votes: 17 9.2%

  • No

    Votes: 130 70.7%
  • Total voters
    184
  • Poll closed .
holdsteady said:
A PM who had to block someone standing for election in a by election because his position is so insecure, which must be a first for any sitting PM?
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They don't have to face reality because it's more fun saying "Temu Tories".

Its the new "foreigner wants your cookie" meme they used to adore so much.
 
Londox said:
People on here acting like Starmer isn't one of the most unpopular PMs in British history.

Nigel's coming to get you.
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Your "Nigel's coming to get you" and the popular "Don't care still voting for Nigel" from lots of others, seems to point to Reform being a bit of a personality cult. Not sure how Farage will react if some of these Tories want to be the main man/woman. Will they find the fact that it's not structured like other parties - ie: democratic to one extent or another. Reform is Nigel Farage Ltd. His personal money making depends on him being the figurehead. Ex-Tories who wanted to be Tory leaders aren't going to play along quietly. Their treatment of Rupert Lowe shows they're not really keen on any kind of challenge to Farage.

Will be interesting to watch how it unfolds.
 
Londox said:
People on here acting like Starmer isn't one of the most unpopular PMs in British history.

Nigel's coming to get you.
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I don't think anyone would suggest Starmer is doing a fabulous job, or that the Labour Party have covered themselves in any sort of glory themselves in the last 48 hours.

This notion that Reform is the only answer on the table when so many of its prospective MPs are directly responsible for many of the problems with the country it continually drags out is baffling.

Nigel Farage, the man who said he'd just leave the UK if Brexit wasn't a success. Really sounds like somebody who's there for you doesn't he?
 
SiHath said:
Your "Nigel's coming to get you" and the popular "Don't care still voting for Nigel" from lots of others, seems to point to Reform being a bit of a personality cult. Not sure how Farage will react if some of these Tories want to be the main man/woman. Will they find the fact that it's not structured like other parties - ie: democratic to one extent or another. Reform is Nigel Farage Ltd. His personal money making depends on him being the figurehead. Ex-Tories who wanted to be Tory leaders aren't going to play along quietly. Their treatment of Rupert Lowe shows they're not really keen on any kind of challenge to Farage.

Will be interesting to watch how it unfolds.
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Indeed.

Time to invest more money into Popcorn. Sales will be strong whilst watching Reform contortions play out very publicly.
 
Londox said:
Pretty sure Nigel has criticised Trumps remarks already.
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but also today trying to defend Trump by saying he didn't mean British troops - just the rest of NATO - when saying NATO troops stayed a little off the front line in Afghanistan. Its like his words that he didn't deliberately try and hurt people with his racism and anti-semitism (before he then denied it ever happened again).
 
I’ve finally found him assure that trump didn’t mean the British and then turn it into some rant about ECHR, and that our special forces should be able kill anyone they like and shouldn’t have to be subject to ECHR……

At some point you’ll see what he is, I just hope it’s not too late.
 
Marston Road Yellow said:
I’ve finally found him assure that trump didn’t mean the British and then turn it into some rant about ECHR, and that our special forces should be able kill anyone they like and shouldn’t have to be subject to ECHR……

At some point you’ll see what he is, I just hope it’s not too late.
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It's already too late. Nearly 10 years too late in fact.
 
I don't really understand Reform's decision to accept Braverman into the party. She's quite unpopular with the general public and, by all accounts, rather incompetent. Aside from that, I think this move might be the one that tips the balance from 'they're taking the best Tories'* to they are the Tories 2.0.

I know their politics align but I actually think it's a bit of an own goal from ol Nige.

* In the eyes of some.
 
What I've never understood is how politicians can just swap parties without a bye election. They should have the bottle to put it to their electorate.
 
Chris on a Bike said:
What I've never understood is how politicians can just swap parties without a bye election. They should have the bottle to put it to their electorate.
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I somewhat agree however you vote the person into the position, not the party. I do think that if you leave a party you should be banned from joining another until the next general election, forcing someone to either be an independent or offer a bye election.
 
Chris on a Bike said:
What I've never understood is how politicians can just swap parties without a bye election. They should have the bottle to put it to their electorate.
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Think most of us would agree with you there regardless of political persuasion.

Won't happen though. Starmer isn't a big fan of democracy. Davos and the courts more his style.
 
Chris on a Bike said:
What I've never understood is how politicians can just swap parties without a bye election. They should have the bottle to put it to their electorate.
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Yep I agree. We now have a crazy situation where over half of Reform's MPs were not voted in as Reform MPs. I suspect a good number of those who voted their then Conservative MP in 2024, would never touch touch Reform with a disinfected barge-pole.

Not surprised Braverman has joined them. A deeply unpleasant, racist, xenophobic woman - she'll feel right at home. :ROFLMAO:
 
Marston Road Yellow said:
I somewhat agree however you vote the person into the position, not the party. I do think that if you leave a party you should be banned from joining another until the next general election, forcing someone to either be an independent or offer a bye election.
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Mmm, not sure about that first bit - I suspect most people vote for the party rather than the person (or for the person that represents the party they want elected). Either way it's ridiculous they can take their seat with them.
 
SteMerritt said:
I agree that if you change party it should automatically trigger a by-election. So what would have to happen to get this changed? Could Starmer (or whoever is PM at the time) simply table it and vote it through? Or would there not be enough support amongst MPs to do it?
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I’m sure if the PM could have sanctioned it personally he would have done it by now.
 
Chris on a Bike said:
Mmm, not sure about that first bit - I suspect most people vote for the party rather than the person (or for the person that represents the party they want elected). Either way it's ridiculous they can take their seat with them.
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When you vote ( like it or not ) it is for the person and not the party. It is the constitution.

Personally I agree that the person stands as a representative of a party and therefore you would assume that they are standing not on behalf of themselves under their own policies but for a greater cause……

Sadly I’m loosing all faith in politics. I think we actually need a proper revolution, not some 2 bit Frankenstein tory one
 
Marston Road Yellow said:
When you vote ( like it or not ) it is for the person and not the party. It is the constitution.

Personally I agree that the person stands as a representative of a party and therefore you would assume that they are standing not on behalf of themselves under their own policies but for a greater cause……

Sadly I’m loosing all faith in politics. I think we actually need a proper revolution, not some 2 bit Frankenstein tory one
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I get what you mean, but I guess in reality that most people will indeed vote for the party based on what they say they will do and general alignment with...and only once they've done that will they then look et.the individual standing on that ticket.

I wouldn't credit the far right misfits and Tory mercenaries with being a revolution or even an evolution. Looks more like a regressive mutation caused by a narrowing of the political gene pool to me🤷‍♂️
 
Chris on a Bike said:
What I've never understood is how politicians can just swap parties without a bye election. They should have the bottle to put it to their electorate.
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Farage used to agree with you. He also said this....

 
Leysboy said:
Too many Left wing Labour loonies on here.

Not worth engaging with, if you don’t agree with there views and opinions, and upset them with a different view, your are a Right Wing racist, Fascist, Xenophobic horrible person.
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That's the thing, a few posters like to characterise it as left wing Vs right wing.

That's incorrect, by definition the majority of people are somewhere around the centre and that is reflected in most of the views on here.

We get the very occasional corbynite comment and a few more farage type comments but there definitely isn't much that is from the wings of the spectrum.

I think if we drilled down into it our differences are quite nuanced.
 
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